What's the matter with SOG?

jdraiser, i'm sure it has an effect based on the cross sectional area loss. If i'm richer i'd like buy two Enduras, grind one of them there and flex both of them and provide measurement data but alas i'm poor so we'll leave this until someday someone decides to do just that :)

FlaMtnBkr, perhaps you're right that I went a tad far but in my defense I was disgusted (maybe disappointed, I was so proud of my Spec Elite 2 and the design). I'm still disgusted every time I look at the folder. Couldn' sog inspire again like with their Spec Elite or Fatcat but to walk on the path of blatant copy :(
 
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jill jackson said:
Sal, has stated in the past that the opening hole should remain unbroken, because it's an important part of the blade's strength. So it looks like SOG has compromised the blade's strength. Foolishly in my opinion. Doubt those will be around long.
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Opening that hole is like cutting the bottom 1/3 of a floor joist or cutting through an I beam. Somebody must have been asleep that day in engineering school.

What a bad idea.
 
I doubt very seriously that these broken hole knives will sell well. They won't be around very long for the simple reason, they are major ugly. The market will take care of them and they will fade into a discontinued ill-conceived design like they should.
You have to wonder just what SOG was thinking. The response is running about 98% negative here, must be a record.
 
jill jackson said:
I doubt very seriously that these broken hole knives will sell well. They won't be around very long for the simple reason, they are major ugly. The market will take care of them and they will fade into a discontinued ill-conceived design like they should.
You have to wonder just what SOG was thinking. The response is running about 98% negative here, must be a record.
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I don't think they were marketing them to us. I doubt if real knife enthusiasts were their target audience.

What are you doing up this early? Couldn't sleep either?
 
elkins 45 said:
I don't think they were marketing them to us. I doubt if real knife enthusiasts were their target audience.

What are you doing up this early? Couldn't sleep either?
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I go into work on Sunday a few hours to catch up for Monday, so I get off Mondays.:D If that makes sense.
(I can get more done in 3 hours with no one there, than I can all day with people in my way)

I think the new SOG's will not sell well to anyone myself, ugly is ugly whether you know about knives much or not.
 
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I don't see how it made any sense to produce blatant knock offs, especially from a company that never had that reputation.

I'm surprised no one has put up the two knives for comparison yet:

SOG Knockoff:

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Real Deal:

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I have never actually owned a SOG, but I have many Spydercos. SOG seems to reside on a lower peg than Spyderco, and none of their knives have ever really interested me for some reason. But trying to jump on the Spyderco band wagon, that's a low move--no soggy-bottom knives for me!
 
don't know if that there can be termed a hole, but it could pose a possible danger by "remote opening" should the open notch get hung up or catches on to something (like a ball of loose thread) whilst withdrawing from within a pocket...
 
You would "think" that more than one person was involved in design decisions? What I find baffling is there could possibly be more than one person at SOG that thought this was a good idea!
 
Kaizen1 said:
I don't see how it made any sense to produce blatant knock offs, especially from a company that never had that reputation.

I'm surprised no one has put up the two knives for comparison yet:
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I put pictures up on post #13. :p :D

Really, the design influence is obvious. I'm waiting to see how SOG handles this.
 
I've been watching SOG self destruct for years. I think this is a last ditch attempt to improve business. I have no idea what their financial status is but I'm guessing it's not great. Product quality has steadily declined if you ask me and my last couple of SOG purchases have left me really dissapointed. Heck, I bought a powerlock (multitool) a couple of years back and the nicest thing about it was the leather sheath it came with. It seems pretty clear to me that SOG designers have replaced functional designs with midnight sketches of that knife they were using to kill 4,000 terrorists + a t-rex in the wet dream they just woke from.
 
Cotherion said:
jdraiser, i'm sure it has an effect based on the cross sectional area loss. If i'm richer i'd like buy two Enduras, grind one of them there and flex both of them and provide measurement data but alas i'm poor so we'll leave this until someday someone decides to do just that :)
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It absolutely will effect it a little based on the cross sectional area. I was merely commenting on what was said earlier in the thread about this modification making the blade brittle or causing it to fail under basically no load because that just isnt the case. The loss in area is just not that much. I posted in the SOG forum shortly after saying exactly what you have just said about the cross sectional area loss.

ETA: Saw your post in the SOG subforum, I think we are saying the same thing. The blade will not be as strong as the spyderco equivilant. I did not notice the grind lines coming closer to the hole on the SOG before, if this is the case then the amount of metal removed would be a higher proportion of the total cross sectional area, so the notch would have a slightly higher effect than a spyderco with a notch in the hole. However, I still do not think that this notch is going to make the knife fail in a brittle manner. If the blade is placed under a flexing force I have no doubt it will break along the notch line as that is where there is the least metal on that axis, but unless the steel is incredibly cheap I just don't see this being a big issue. I won't be spending money to buy one to find out either, their new lineup is terrible.
 
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I don't think that the hole is meant to be some sort of wave feature - clearly, the idea behind a wave is to catch it on the edge of your pocket, and have it deploy the knife smoothly as you pull it away. With a hole that deep and pronounced, it would be nearly impossible NOT to have it snag on your pocket. Waves are shallow and very open to prevent exactly that. Having that deep and radiused of a "wave" would make it almost impossible to deploy in such a fashion.

Which begs the question again - why?
 
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It absolutely will effect it a little based on the cross sectional area. I was merely commenting on what was said earlier in the thread about this modification making the blade brittle or causing it to fail under basically no load because that just isnt the case. The loss in area is just not that much. I posted in the SOG forum shortly after saying exactly what you have just said about the cross sectional area loss.

ETA: Saw your post in the SOG subforum, I think we are saying the same thing. The blade will not be as strong as the spyderco equivilant. I did not notice the grind lines coming closer to the hole on the SOG before, if this is the case then the amount of metal removed would be a higher proportion of the total cross sectional area, so the notch would have a slightly higher effect than a spyderco with a notch in the hole. However, I still do not think that this notch is going to make the knife fail in a brittle manner. If the blade is placed under a flexing force I have no doubt it will break along the notch line as that is where there is the least metal on that axis, but unless the steel is incredibly cheap I just don't see this being a big issue. I won't be spending money to buy one to find out either, their new lineup is terrible.
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I'd like to spend money on knives and for my user category (not admire category) knives I'm not picky. But this is a compromised/weakened version of an already proven design (Spydie Endura). They really should have just dumped a thumbstud or thumbplate instead. Would have resulted in a decent blade that can withstand more flex and it'll be less of a copy as well.

But I'll never find out... cause I'm saving up my cash to buy a better/proper blade :(
 
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