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Whats with all this Chinese (or Taiwanese) crap?
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China is fully capable of producing equal quality to any country. The reason you see so much crap is that is what sells.
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I hope you're willing to stand fast on that mentality in every manufactured item you own or use from duct tape to batteries and everything in between. When you draw that line you need to stand on one side or another. There's no "...well the only TVs are made in china." or "I can't find an american car that doesn't outsource offshore for something." When take a partial stand your integrity will always be in question.
Exactly :thumbup: boycott the practice of IP theft and blatant knock offs and unlicenced clones but don't condemn an entire emerging nations production capabilities because of a few thieves.
Finally buy what you want it's your money but your logic and rationalisation for not buying from china is seriously flawed in my opinion. Again, your money, buy what you want but if you want to discourage someone else from doing it at least have a valid reason other than you just won't do it.
I don't have a Problem with foreign products, but when a company starts outsourcing knives or tools to a foreign country to save money it puts them one step closer to completely moving their whole factory overseas.
It just feels like I'd be helping them move their factory.
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To get back on topic and try to answer your question directly, give a look at the Viper Knives TI Framelocks, specifically the Vox Fortis and the Italo. Both are Framelock/TI/CF/G10 options with M390 at $200 or less, with GREAT fit and finish. There are others if you look, this is just to get you started. These are made in Maniago, Italy.
ZT Also has several knives under $200 that fit the bill. You may still be able to find the original 0801 for $140 if you look hard enough.
ZT Also has several knives under $200 that fit the bill. You may still be able to find the original 0801 for $140 if you look hard enough.
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Right. It's all about the specs and what we and our companies want them to produce.
Walmart wants a $5 knife? They get $5 quality.
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American knives aren't going anywhere. There's something for everyone. Go get you a Benchmade and use it as a stressball for a couple hours. Its ok.
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The world economy is so integrated its hard to find anything that is made solely in one country. Rip apart any product that says made in USA or made in China and you'll find parts come from all over the world. Not only parts but the intellectual content like the design come from all over the world as well.
"Proudly made in the USA" has been a very effective marketing campaignI love when I see a nice frame lock...made in China, or Taiwan....there is just so damn many of them.
In helping to maintain an american's patriotic sense of duty towards
The consumption of domestically manufactured US goods.
It is a catch phrase that has even worked exceptionally well in foreign export markets.
Many have come to believe that nothing comes close to the superiority of American made goods.
Great! Now that foreign competition is closing in fast
Let's just hope the free world doesn't loose faith in what we have been made
To believe all that was written in stone.
Time and time again, we see the rise and fall of empires.
Inefficiently in production methods will make some enterprises redundant.
And a skilled workforce of old may not to the only obstacle in maintaining
The edge above the competition.
It is only natural for Anyone who treasures his hard earned money
To spend it wisely.
And that means to gain the most personal value for the least amount of cash spent.
No entity can indoctrinate the free mind to dictate how, why or for what reason we should or can buy when we do.
Everyone has different expectations and that is what which matter most
To any capitalistic enterprise in catering to the generally accepted wants of the masses.
... Producing an affordable consumer product with a generally acceptable product quality at the lowest production cost available.
I honestly wonder where this is done best in the world today?
Generally, at any given quality level of a manufactured product, overseas production will likely be cheaper because of cheaper labor and overhead costs.
To sell a product at a certain quality level may not be possible in certain price ranges if the product were to be manufactured in the USA.
Being able to sell a product at a certain quality level at a certain price range may be advantageous for a company, therefore that company may choose to manufacture overseas.
This holds true for many industries including the knife industry.
To sell a product at a certain quality level may not be possible in certain price ranges if the product were to be manufactured in the USA.
Being able to sell a product at a certain quality level at a certain price range may be advantageous for a company, therefore that company may choose to manufacture overseas.
This holds true for many industries including the knife industry.
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Also, even the extreme ZT brand is owned by the Japanese and the all American Benchmade is owned by a Filipino.
Even people in charge of our country right now makes products outside the US while complaining like the OP.
I got over it a long time ago
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I love when I see a nice frame lock that I might be interested in, then I go to look into the specs and guess what? Either 8CR13MOV or 8CR14MOV steel, stainless handles, and made in China, or Taiwan. Im just looking for a Ti frame lock that is under 200.( I understand that people have budgets or whatever, but there is just so damn many of them.
I bet your shoes say made in china "crap" also.
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I don't personally have a problem with the OPs question and I'm not sure why so many do? So many times I hear over and over again about how you get more with Spyderco per $ then you do with Benchmade/ZT.....Gee you don't say, when 80% of your manufacturing is done in countries where the cost to produce is significantly lower, that tends to happen. Maybe the guy had a job that moved production to another country because it was cheaper, how would you feel if it happened to you? To basically criminalize a person for being patriotic is ridiculous and shows just as much narrow-mindedness as the way he worded his post to begin with. If he wants to buy made in America, let him, it doesn't affect you one iota. I forgot though, this is what we must do now, push our opinions and believes on others and shun them if they don't conform to our PC society....
ZT0450 would be my recommendation as well.
ZT0450 would be my recommendation as well.
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No. Japanese, Taiwan, and Italy Spydercos are not much lower. Actually with Japan, after freight of materials etc it's higher. Do some research and please get back. Up to 99% of ZT's parent brand is overseas too.
You're the one making assumptions, everyone else is responding in kind to each other.
He should buy American. We all should. It wasnt the OP that people were responding to that you may have felt to be aggressive. People just seem to think that he's mad at the wrong people or aspects maybe. He has the right to that also so... You got a point too.
Add: Actually I dont think anyone has a problem with OPs question. Wasnt him.
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I hope you're willing to stand fast on that mentality in every manufactured item you own or use from duct tape to batteries and everything in between. When you draw that line you need to stand on one side or another. There's no "...well the only TVs are made in china." or "I can't find an american car that doesn't outsource offshore for something." When take a partial stand your integrity will always be
Wtf? My integrity is not in question because I buy American whenever possible but also own an iphone. My integrity is not in question because I hate outsourcing but also live in the real world where i simply cannot afford $400 US made work pants. Get off your high horse.
Maybe he doesn't like the persvasive counterfeit industry in China. Maybe he doesn't like buying items produced with slave labor.
China also is not a race and your assumption that he is racist is in itself racist because you have no idea what race he is. Are there no libtard knife boards for you to troll?
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xenophobic is the word he's looking for but on the internet people use the word interchangeably.
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Thanks to the success of the Taichung and Seki factories, Spyderco is expanding their Golden operations and has been on a hiring spree for the last few years. Those knives made of S35VN, CTS-XHP and other AMERICAN STEELS abroad keep American steel workers employed when Chinese steels are growing ever cheaper.
Nobody is criminalizing anyone for "being patriotic" but buying American is the minimum possible effort one can put into patriotism. Maybe our manufacturing sector should shift to producing electrical charging station parts, our construction to building that infrastructure nationwide, our coal to solar/wind/nuclear/geothermal, our unemployed to all of these jobs and our public schools to science and vocation (with some goddamn funding, because what's more American than providing less for our children than we had) then we would be proud to buy Chinese knives because they would be dependent on the American economy for our energy sector and all the transportation around it.
Gkeenang, hurling labels at people won't change their opinions. It will keep them from listening to yours.
Hudak, we've all been respectful to this point, even as we disagree. Please don't be mean for meanness sake. I'm a libtard and I like trolling this board thank you very much. I also carry an American made knife from an American company.
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