what's wrong whit Buck Knives?

There's so much that's incorrect in this post that it makes my head hurt. Criminy.

So you say. Have you read any of the other posts on how bucks 420HC works?

I'm glad your head hurts. It's proof your brain is trying to tell you to calm down and read a little, and learn a lot.

Several say the steel of the week guys are off their rocker. How much do you want to bet the buck users carry that knife every single day and use it every single day? Now we MUST believe what you say? Because you read 420HC is the worst. You guys got me rolling. Your posts contain only novice level information. You are telling us what you know by only telling us what you think.

Anything else you want to tell me you think?
 
So you say. Have you read any of the other posts on how bucks 420HC works?

I'm glad your head hurts. It's proof your brain is trying to tell you to calm down and read a little, and learn a lot.

Several say the steel of the week guys are off their rocker. How much do you want to bet the buck users carry that knife every single day and use it every single day? Now we MUST believe what you say? Because you read 420HC is the worst. You guys got me rolling. Your posts contain only novice level information. You are telling us what you know by only telling us what you think.

Anything else you want to tell me you think?

No, because I'm not interesting in debating with people who are incapable of learning new things. It's a complete waste of time. The fact, not my opinion, the FACT is that most of what you're saying in the post I quoted is incorrect, but frankly, it's much more amusing to watch you keep putting your entire foot in your mouth than it would be to set you straight.

I can tell you that it's clear that my knife knowledge far outstrips yours, and only a dullard would sit there and attempt to portray himself as some sort of authority (as you have repeatedly done) when it's so clear that you aren't. My head hurts because there's a functioning brain inside, which I imagine is a malady that doesn't affect you. :)
 
So you say. Have you read any of the other posts on how bucks 420HC works?

I'm glad your head hurts. It's proof your brain is trying to tell you to calm down and read a little, and learn a lot.

Several say the steel of the week guys are off their rocker. How much do you want to bet the buck users carry that knife every single day and use it every single day? Now we MUST believe what you say? Because you read 420HC is the worst. You guys got me rolling. Your posts contain only novice level information. You are telling us what you know by only telling us what you think.

Anything else you want to tell me you think?

Nothing negative. I use Bucks everyday. I like the dang steel. Good grief. I don't know what else to say...
 
What steels do you have first hand experience with Duane? Name them please. Since you know so much about how steels compare to one another, i'd like to know how many steels you have personally used and compared?
 
No, because I'm not interesting in debating with people who are incapable of learning new things. It's a complete waste of time. The fact, not my opinion, the FACT is that most of what you're saying in the post I quoted is incorrect, but frankly, it's much more amusing to watch you keep putting your entire foot in your mouth than it would be to set you straight.

I can tell you that it's clear that my knife knowledge far outstrips yours, and only a dullard would sit there and attempt to portray himself as some sort of authority (as you have repeatedly done) when it's so clear that you aren't. My head hurts because there's a functioning brain inside, which I imagine is a malady that doesn't affect you. :)

You post as if the progression in the learning curve ends at the super steel you like this week. I'm saying I've been through the "starter" steels, worked through "super" steels and realized to get a hard steel super edge keeping steel you give up toughness. Where you gain keeping the edge you gain a damaged edge. A chipped edge is much more hard to fix over a dull one with an intact edge. Now if you just slice paper or chop Home Depot 4x4s you will never learn anything.

You may be enraptured after the next greatest steel and I know whatever it has over my flavor of steel it will give up something somewhere. You need to use them everyday for years on end to learn anything or even compare them. How many years has the knife in your pocket been there?

You guys get intoxicated over the best steel ever you read about in an advertisement and go to the back deck to prove it. That's a completely different set of demands than I have for a knife. It stays in the pocket until I need it. I don't take it out to shave hair randomly or slice paper. I don't cut cardboard into thin strips. You just ain't getting what normal use means.

If your knife has no purpose then YOU are the one who is better off with the $1.97 ozark trail liner lock at Walmart.

I'm not seeing much content where I should take much you say seriously. That's not a rude thing to say. Your head is spinning trying to come up with a reason these flavor of the week steels are better for continuous carry for years on end.

Shinyedges

What's the longest you've carried a single knife used daily? Key word daily. Now if you can't say you use one daily then don't bother to answer. You own knives on lust not need. You will never convince me, or the others who tell you that you are way off on the buck comments. Notice every single one of them mention daily carry and extended years of use.

Calm down and accept it for what it is. Bucks Bos 420HC does daily work perfect, no damage and holds an edge, watch the video. People only say that based on working them over, kinda like the video. As that is, I'm positive if I said bucks are the worst you'd tell me how great they are based on their solid reputation. I'm sure of it.
 
You post as if the progression in the learning curve ends at the super steel you like this week. I'm saying I've been through the "starter" steels, worked through "super" steels and realized to get a hard steel super edge keeping steel you give up toughness. Where you gain keeping the edge you gain a damaged edge. A chipped edge is much more hard to fix over a dull one with an intact edge. Now if you just slice paper or chop Home Depot 4x4s you will never learn anything.

You may be enraptured after the next greatest steel and I know whatever it has over my flavor of steel it will give up something somewhere. You need to use them everyday for years on end to learn anything or even compare them. How many years has the knife in your pocket been there?

You guys get intoxicated over the best steel ever you read about in an advertisement and go to the back deck to prove it. That's a completely different set of demands than I have for a knife. It stays in the pocket until I need it. I don't take it out to shave hair randomly or slice paper. I don't cut cardboard into thin strips. You just ain't getting what normal use means.

If your knife has no purpose then YOU are the one who is better off with the $1.97 ozark trail liner lock at Walmart.

I'm not seeing much content where I should take much you say seriously. That's not a rude thing to say. Your head is spinning trying to come up with a reason these flavor of the week steels are better for continuous carry for years on end.

Shinyedges

What's the longest you've carried a single knife used daily? Key word daily. Now if you can't say you use one daily then don't bother to answer. You own knives on lust not need. You will never convince me, or the others who tell you that you are way off on the buck comments. Notice every single one of them mention daily carry and extended years of use.

Calm down and accept it for what it is. Bucks Bos 420HC does daily work perfect, no damage and holds an edge, watch the video. People only say that based on working them over, kinda like the video. As that is, I'm positive if I said bucks are the worst you'd tell me how great they are based on their solid reputation. I'm sure of it.

LOL I didn't even read this. Too bad.
 
Didn't read everything since it appears to just be turning into a Buck-bashing love in and peaceful demonstration for trendy super steel. I can only make a non-partisan observation. We here on these forums are mostly a bunch of steel-obsessed knife nuts. We are arrogant and secure in our knowledge about things sharp and shiny. We also often miss seeing the forest for the trees due to our obsession with cutting tools. Around here (South Central USA, mostly rural state) there are more hunters than bushcrafters and more people owning and happily using Bucks than the lauded premium brands you see on the forums. Most of these guys (and gals) have never heard of Chris Reeve and wouldn't pay $100 for a deer skinning tool no matter if it had a blade made of Hobbit-forged in Hellfire Unobtainium and they don't give a damn about the current trendy super steel from Crucible, Carpenter or whoever. These guys just hunt game and use their knives to skin and clean what they harvest. They know how to keep their knives sharp to keep using them and, most of the time, they're happily using 110's, 112's and 119's and see no need for anything else.

To answer the original question "What's wrong whit (sic) Buck Knives?"...Not a damn thing.
 
Me either lol dude wont answer my question then he gets no response. He's been dodging that question since the other thread where other people wanted an answer as well.

Start a thread in whine and cheese Duane.
LOL I didn't even read this. Too bad.
 
LOL I didn't even read this. Too bad.


Lol at this then


Didn't read everything since it appears to just be turning into a Buck-bashing love in and peaceful demonstration for trendy super steel. I can only make a non-partisan observation. We here on these forums are mostly a bunch of steel-obsessed knife nuts. We are arrogant and secure in our knowledge about things sharp and shiny. We also often miss seeing the forest for the trees due to our obsession with cutting tools. Around here (South Central USA, mostly rural state) there are more hunters than bushcrafters and more people owning and happily using Bucks than the lauded premium brands you see on the forums. Most of these guys (and gals) have never heard of Chris Reeve and wouldn't pay $100 for a deer skinning tool no matter if it had a blade made of Hobbit-forged in Hellfire Unobtainium and they don't give a damn about the current trendy super steel from Crucible, Carpenter or whoever. These guys just hunt game and use their knives to skin and clean what they harvest. They know how to keep their knives sharp to keep using them and, most of the time, they're happily using 110's, 112's and 119's and see no need for anything else.

To answer the original question "What's wrong whit (sic) Buck Knives?"...Not a damn thing.

If you have observation skills, you just learned something.

I'm not the only one telling you the buck bashers are off the deep end and are pretty clueless about what they are saying. I'm not the only one telling you this. Get a clue!
 
I don't think anyone has said something was wrong with buck knives, their generally low cost knives that cut. Problem is people then compare buck knives to other steels and knives and need a reality check.

No matter which way you cut it elmax out performs 420hc in every aspect except cost. Call it unobtanium or what ever, doesn't change that technology is advancing.

Is there something wrong with buck knives ? No there isn't.
Didn't read everything since it appears to just be turning into a Buck-bashing love in and peaceful demonstration for trendy super steel. I can only make a non-partisan observation. We here on these forums are mostly a bunch of steel-obsessed knife nuts. We are arrogant and secure in our knowledge about things sharp and shiny. We also often miss seeing the forest for the trees due to our obsession with cutting tools. Around here (South Central USA, mostly rural state) there are more hunters than bushcrafters and more people owning and happily using Bucks than the lauded premium brands you see on the forums. Most of these guys (and gals) have never heard of Chris Reeve and wouldn't pay $100 for a deer skinning tool no matter if it had a blade made of Hobbit-forged in Hellfire Unobtainium and they don't give a damn about the current trendy super steel from Crucible, Carpenter or whoever. These guys just hunt game and use their knives to skin and clean what they harvest. They know how to keep their knives sharp to keep using them and, most of the time, they're happily using 110's, 112's and 119's and see no need for anything else.

To answer the original question "What's wrong whit (sic) Buck Knives?"...Not a damn thing.
 
Me either lol dude wont answer my question then he gets no response. He's been dodging that question since the other thread where other people wanted an answer as well.

Start a thread in whine and cheese Duane.

I asked you a question a while ago. You never answered. I am simply extending the same courtesy you have to me.

So get over yourself. Sometimes you get out of people what you put in. The whole two way road thing.

If you can slow down enough and read what I have said. I have used an extensive list of steels. Not Out of being dazzled by them but because that's what I do. Bucks have always remained my users 90% of the time, a long time, you weren't even thought of long time. Economy has nothing to do with it either ;)

Cheerio mate.
 
Didn't read everything since it appears to just be turning into a Buck-bashing love in and peaceful demonstration for trendy super steel. I can only make a non-partisan observation. We here on these forums are mostly a bunch of steel-obsessed knife nuts. We are arrogant and secure in our knowledge about things sharp and shiny. We also often miss seeing the forest for the trees due to our obsession with cutting tools. Around here (South Central USA, mostly rural state) there are more hunters than bushcrafters and more people owning and happily using Bucks than the lauded premium brands you see on the forums. Most of these guys (and gals) have never heard of Chris Reeve and wouldn't pay $100 for a deer skinning tool no matter if it had a blade made of Hobbit-forged in Hellfire Unobtainium and they don't give a damn about the current trendy super steel from Crucible, Carpenter or whoever. These guys just hunt game and use their knives to skin and clean what they harvest. They know how to keep their knives sharp to keep using them and, most of the time, they're happily using 110's, 112's and 119's and see no need for anything else.

To answer the original question "What's wrong whit (sic) Buck Knives?"...Not a damn thing.

I completely agree with this. If anyone doesn't like Buck products, don't use them. A lot of us do.
 
I completely agree with this. If anyone doesn't like Buck products, don't use them. A lot of us do.

And that's fine, no one is saying not to. Your indignation seems entirely self-sourced.
 
I don't think anyone has said something was wrong with buck knives, their generally low cost knives that cut. Problem is people then compare buck knives to other steels and knives and need a reality check.

No matter which way you cut it elmax out performs 420hc in every aspect except cost. Call it unobtanium or what ever, doesn't change that technology is advancing.

Is there something wrong with buck knives ? No there isn't.

This, all this.

See, some folks (cough cough Duane cough) seem not to understand the logical disparity in some iteration of these comments he keeps making thread after thread:

1. A lot of people use knives with basic steels like 420C. Since many people use these knives, that means that they're just as good as knives with better steel. Those "flavor of the month steels aren't better!"
2. There are a lot of products on the market today which are made of better materials, and at similar prices, but they aren't better than inexpensive knives with inferior steel!
3. "420C cuts stuff just fine, I SEENT IT, so clearly, Buck's steel is just as good as all the "so-called super steels", because I say so."

These are all incorrect, and by that, I mean objectively and logically incorrect.

Buck knives cut things well. But they're not the end-all, be-all of knives, and I'm sorry, but the argument of "Well, a LOT of people use them!" doesn't hold water either. People use what they can afford, and pay what they feel is fair based on where an item falls on their needs list. Is someone who's not a knife enthusiast going to spend hundreds on a knife when an inexpensive knife will accomplish their task? No. AND, you can't turn around and use that as some sort of logical argument that the inexpensive knife is just as good. I frankly don't care WHAT people are using out in the woods that folks have seen. Are you really going to tell me that Buck's cheap $14 caping knife is just as good as say, a custom made caping knife in a high durability, high strength steel? Of course not. Hell, 99% of the hunters I know will buy the cheapest knife they can find, use it til it's dull then toss it and get a new one. They will use what they can get their hands on cheaply, and in this case, it's Buck's caping knife, available at Academy or Dick's for cheap. I get that.

Everyone here (who's not a blind brandbagger) is going to agree that 420C won't hold an edge as long as something like Elmax, S30v (which hilarously, Buck themselves use. I mean, why would they offer it, if their 420C was the king ish?), M390, or so on. Paul Bos isn't a sorcerer. He can't work actual magic. Objectively, the knife made of better materials will cut, and hold an edge far longer than the knife made of inexpensive materials. Spyderco, Benchmade, KAI/ZT, CRK, etc., etc., etc. would all laugh in the face of someone making the claim that Buck's 420c was as good, as durable, and would hold an edge as long, as their products in premium level steels. That is false. But oh, cue the anecdotal "Well, I skint TEN deer with mah 110, and it was still shaving sharp!" stories that attempt to argue otherwise. :thumbup:

That doesn't mean the inexpensive knife (as an example, the Buck 110) is a bad knife. It just means it's an inexpensive knife. Many folks prefer those. And similarly, many people prefer knives made of better, more durable steels and materials. It is what it is. Anyone reading a personal slam on Buck in what I've just said is simply looking for something to have their feelings hurt over.

The bad logic, guys, come on, we can do better.
 
Quiet for the win.


Best damn post in the entire thread.


This is PRECISELY what Ankerson and I were saying in previous threads where Duane began his buck 420,5160 spiel. Yes those steels cut, and no there is NOTHING wrong with them.

But for gods sake here in 2015 we have steels that out perform them in EVERY way.
 
Quiet for the win.


Best damn post in the entire thread.


This is PRECISELY what Ankerson and I were saying in previous threads where Duane began his buck 420,5160 spiel. Yes those steels cut, and no there is NOTHING wrong with them.

But for gods sake here in 2015 we have steels that out perform them in EVERY way.

What you fail to read is no one uses them. I've even said last custom I seen in the woods was a loveless many moons ago. Your fantasy land online does not reflect reality. The reality is if these steels this week, elmax now, was 3V last week, were/are so much better in performance it's simple, no one would buy the lowly bucks. Economics don't have anything to do with it. Hunters spend so much money on guns, ammo, equipment, leases. They got money. If the bucks were so bad they'd buy your elmax knife of the week. They would easily drop $400.00 on a knife and not even think about it.

Reality does not reflect what you say and that is the source of your dissent.

These "high" end knives go into collections and are rarely used. My brother who buys anything he pleases daily carries a tenacious. His Manix XL and Techno are nice as he says, but the tenacious is a better carry knife. His big user fixed blade is a cold steel soft carbon steel.

He is a collector and a user, he knows the difference. It's hard to see when you are only one one side of the fence. I've used all of his high dollar knives and none are so impressive that they just blow away the bucks. The knife I just bought him for his holidays gift is more expensive than any knife i ever bought for myself, by 150%. To include every knife I've ever bought.

You have a ways to go. If you come down you will see that.
 
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Where did you get the idea knives in premium steels don't get used?

Who told you that? You've been on bladeforums 2 months and your going to tell EVERYONE that no one uses steels other than 420 and 5160? Seriously?

Your logic is simply put DEAD WRONG.

Take a gander over in the busse forum, many go for 200 to more than 1000 dollars and get used REGULARLY.

How about Nathan Carothers knives in 3v used to clean elk, it was posted here no more than 2 weeks ago?

You need to read more and post less, your assumptions are dead wrong.

What you fail to read is no one uses them. I've even said last custom I seen in the woods was a loveless many moons ago. Your fantasy land online does not reflect reality. The reality is if these steels this week, elmax now, was 3V last week, were/are so much better in performance it's simple, no one would buy the lowly bucks. Economics don't have anything to do with it. Hunters spend so much money on guns, ammo, equipment, leases. They got money. If the bucks were so bad they'd buy your elmax knife of the week. They would easily drop $400.00 on a knife and not even think about it.

Reality does not reflect what you say and that is the source of your dissent.

These "high" end knives go into collections and are rarely used. My brother who buys anything he pleases daily carries a tenacious. His Manix XL and Techno are nice as he says, but the tenacious is a better carry knife. His big user fixed blade is a cold steel soft carbon steel.

He is a collector and a user, he knows the difference. It's hard to see when you are only one one side of the fence. I've used all of his high dollar knives and none are so impressive that they just blow away the bucks. The knife I just bought him for his holidays gift is more expensive than any knife i ever bought for myself, by 150%. To include every knife I've ever bought.

You have a ways to go. If you come down you will that.
 
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