What's your latest Schrade? END DATE 8/12

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A 34OT with a little tarnish, a nice Schrade NY 855, and a Cats Paw 197UH

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orvet said:
. . . I discovered many things:
1- Education costs money (not a problem I liked to work and make money, been doing it since I was 12 years old).
2- Girls- These lovely creatures cost both money & time.
3- I actually needed to study. Now this is where things got dicey. Study time cut into work time. Money was more important…………you can see where this is going. I worked three jobs and I could afford school and girls, (well at least girls).
Dale
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Dale, your absolutely right about girls. . .The proof is right here!

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Brilliant Aggie, just brilliant! The Algebra of Love! :D

My wife was looking over my shoulder and said, "If it wasn't for boys we would not be forced to be evil."

:confused: I am not sure what that means?? :confused:

Dale
 
Very nice Hal. you always manage to find the minty ones. Staglon on the 197 has good color. some of the Staglon was lighter, more washed out, even without sunlight.
 
Charlie,
Oh crap..
Now I have to find it. It's not Schrade :-) Its not even USA made.
So I'll have to post something that is with it. I think it was right here yesterday...
 
This neat old knife with a broken off tip of Spearpoint blade was sold to me as coming from the Schrade parts bin at the closeout auction.
the tangs are too corroded to see any markings but i think the bone scales look like the older Schrade peachseed jigging.

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could this be an old SCC knife that had been in a parts bin for the last 60+ years ???
and what is the tool at the end of the cap-lifter blade ??
the help of "those who know" is always much appreciated.
roland
 
Here's a 3 1/8" Equal End Jack; Schrade/Cut. Co./Walden N.Y. with imitation ivory handles, in exc. condition.

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the easy open notches on both handle sides do not line up with the pull, so i assume it was to make the blade pinchable. however, due to the dramatic bilateral swaging, my fingers just slide off the blade when i try to open it this way.
anyone else have an SCC in this pattern ?
roland
 
i have seen these "slime green" Schrade/Walden/N.Y. U.S.A. on ebay for at least the last 2 years. this one showed up on the site of a seller i have bought a lot from and was going CHEAP, so i bought it to have a look.

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i told seller i think this to be a post closure knife, using Schrade blades, assembled by Bear or maybe Camillus. he was not impressed by my 'ignorance' stating that this #11897 pattern is definitely SCHRADE ! (not if assembled by non-Schrade people, in my books)
any comments as to it's exact origin ?
thanks, roland
 
Roland,

The steel pins on that scout knife would seem to peg it more as a German import than a Schrade. Possibly Boker? It's an old one for sure. Schrade had a nearly identical one, but their shields were stamped "Scouts Prepare", and the tang on the caplifter was longer. The cap lifter blade was actually a screwdriver as well, but was broken at some point. That tool was a square cut-out that fit over the key on the old Presto lights.

That EO is in great shape!!! The green knife was a Camillus made knife for sure. I think it was done for SMKW post 2004 if my memory serves me correctly (no guarantees there!:confused::D )

Eric
 
Definately post 2004, In fact they came some while after 2004. The first knives to come out of the Camillus factory after Schrade closed had Yellow handles, that really raised the roof with Schrade collectors, it became very hard to tell the geniune Schrade Walden knives from the later Camillus made models, right down to the plastic tubes they were sold in. If the seller did not post the model number of the knife, as the new models had a few extra characters to the model number, then you could fall in the deep end. I remember all the irate posts from just after 2004 where many a collector got burned on that fiasco.

Russell
 
rprocter said:
This neat old knife with a broken off tip of Spearpoint blade was sold to me as coming from the Schrade parts bin at the closeout auction.
the tangs are too corroded to see any markings but i think the bone scales look like the older Schrade peachseed jigging.

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camillus013-11.jpg

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could this be an old SCC knife that had been in a parts bin for the last 60+ years ???
and what is the tool at the end of the cap-lifter blade ??
the help of "those who know" is always much appreciated.
roland
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I believe that this old knife is a product of Adolph Kastor and Sons (maybe imported from their factory in Germany) from before WWII. It was one of the designs which caused the BSA to sue them for infringement (which case BSA won), and stopped their unauthorized use of the name "SCOUT". And yes, the odd square notch is an adjuster for PRESTO automobile (gas) headlamps. Note the early non-safety can opener design. This also indicates that the knife was made prior to 1945 when Mirando's patent issued for the new style can opener. Camillus wasn't long in adopting the new design thru license. At about that same time (post-war), they were successful in gaining approval from BSA to produce a sanctioned Scout knife.

Michael
 
Thanks for the help here. much appreciate this mentoring .
Eric, yes, taking a look with my loupe i can see where the metal broke off on the 'other side', so it was the square Presto light key. the pivot pin of a different color steel should also have tipped me off as to German origin. my assessment of scales as Schrade means i still have trouble 'reading' the jigging. and thanks for the bit of history Michael. hopefully "The Book" is getting close to ready for publication. your dedication to finding original documents means it will become a much respected reference.
roland
 
I think Michael is spot on with his Camillus assessment. Here's an old Camillus Sword Brand with the same shield. Note the similar not-so-exact cutout in the bone for the shield. The jigging is also very similar, especially the pile side:

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Eric
 
Eric, do you think that my "Scout Knife' was imported by Camillus and the shield applied at the Camillus factory ? (shield and scales ??). perhaps i don't fully understand Michael's explanation.
Kastor imported and sold under many different brand names as well as his Camillus business, but the shield suggests this one might have been branded Camillus ?
maybe seller meant from Camillus parts bin.
roland
 
ea42 said:
The green knife was a Camillus made knife for sure. I think it was done for SMKW post 2004 if my memory serves me correctly (no guarantees there!:confused::D )

Eric
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I have a few of those knives also.
They are definately made by Camillus. I think Tom Williams has the S-cards for them from the Camillus factory.

BTW, speaking of Camillus made Schrade knives:
I spoke with Tom on Wednesday. He mentioned the Gran'pa series of knives that Camillus made after Schrade closed.

The patterns were:
12OT
104OT
34OT
8OT
152OT
7OT

Tom said Camillus produced all these patterns for Schrade. After Schrade closed, Camillus used the dies they had for these knives and produced the Gran’pa series of knives. They were all pretty much the same as the ones they made for Schrade except the Delrin on the handles was a bit different. In the case of the 7OT/LB-7 they used a different handle.

Tom explained that tooling up for a new pattern was expensive, as much as $10,000. Consequently once Camillus had the tooling for a knife, they eventually produced it under their on name. A couple years after a new Remington bullet pattern came out, Camillus would introduce the same knife in the Camillus bullet series. He said they never wasted anything, especially the tooling for a pattern.

I am sure the green bone handled Schrade Walden was made by Camillus.
In some ways it is as much a Schrade as the Sharpfingers, LB-7s or 8OT that Camillus made for Schrade. Made by the same people on the same machinery.
Any difference is a technicality, IMHO.

Dale
 
Roland - I would imagine the quality on that green knife to be good. Is it like an old Schrade? Without using I suppose it would be difficult to judge the steel.
 
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