What's your latest Schrade? END DATE 8/12

[ea42]

Dale, as near as I can tell, (also from Larry's site), it would seem that your knife was made sometime between 1953 and 1960. I see in '53 the bolsters were iron, and unstamped (but the handles were bone), but in '60 you had steel bolsters that were stamped, and the bonite is described as "new". If we could narrow down when they switched to the stamped steel bolsters, we could probably arrive at an even closer date, but I'm thinking the latest date they were made with bone was likely 1958-59. VERY nice barlow by the way!

Eric

PS, I did notice in the description of the '53 that they mirror polished both sides of the blades, maybe your knife is more pristine than you think!:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Dave Thinkstoomuch]

Here is a pic of the three Ulster Barlow patterns, #10, #11 & the #12 from a 1960 catalog (it is on Larry's web site).

Notice that the handles are listed as Bonite, which was a synthetic material of some sort, perhaps even early Delrin.

My #12 Barlow is saw cut bone.
While I don't know for sure, I would guess it was made post-WWII in the late 1940s, or even in to the 1950s.

Larry, Eric, Fran, or anyone else have an educated guess as to when my #12 Ulster was made?

Thanks all,
Dale

Cool! It is in great shape though I doubt it was as polished as it is too but from me that's just a guess. Looks great. When did celluloid kinda die out and delrin etc take over in general? Seems to me the older synthetics were more prone to cracking from what I've seen in knives for sale. Those "Boneite" handles look mint!

 

[rprocter]

Dave TTM, search this Forum. Codger has done tomes on Delrin. EVERYTHING you could ever want to know, and then even more. in fact read every Codger 'review type' thread for an extensive, thoroughly researched education on all things Schrade.
roland

 

[Dave Thinkstoomuch]

Dave TTM, search this Forum. Codger has done tomes on Delrin. EVERYTHING you could ever want to know, and then even more. in fact read every Codger 'review type' thread for an extensive, thoroughly researched education on all things Schrade.
roland

I hear ya thanks! Codger's posts have indeed proven invaluable. Right now I'm still waiting for Spark to take PayPal so I can easily pay from Canada for "Gold Membership". As it stands I can't search til I pay and have to browse all hundred and whatever pages. Any one best link you might recommend to start? Any one? Thanks again

 

[lrv]

start here

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439751&highlight=delrin

 

[Dave Thinkstoomuch]

start here

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439751&highlight=delrin

Thanks, I will!

 

[rprocter]

looks like a couple of Ulster 58 Old Timers:

Well, yes,

But,

i don't recall seeing a Belknap stamping with on Old Timer shield. have you ?
roland

 

[rprocter]

the wood handled Barlow has been "deeply cleaned". the scales have a high shine finish, as if coated with polyurethane. can it look like this from heavy polishing or has it actually been 'painted' ? (seems so incredulous to me, i have to ask)

roland

 

[rprocter]

Well i think it goes something like this: Schrade was the first knife company to introduce it's patterns with Scrimshaw handles. i believe the first year of this was 1977. the 25OT was one of these first Scrimshaws, but marked as 260SC. so not only is the Schrade Folding Hunter (1 or 2 blade versions) a truly great knife, the first ones out with the eagle on one side and the whale harpooning on the other, hold a position of an historic nature.
so i was very pleased awhile back to get this one, serial# 12786:

a bit later i was able to get another, this one # 03443

and then, complete with 'bling', #11421

and just recently another complete and mint package, #00564, complete with white box sleeve bearing the same #:

pretty nice, eh !
roland

 

[Dave Thinkstoomuch]

Well i think it goes something like this: Schrade was the first knife company to introduce it's patterns with Scrimshaw handles. i believe the first year of this was 1977. the 225OT was one of these first Scrimshaws, but marked as 260SC. so not only is the Schrade Folding Hunter (1 or 2 blade versions) a truly great knife, the first ones out with the eagle on one side and the whale harpooning on the other, hold a position of an historic nature.
so i was very pleased awhile back to get this one, serial# 12786:



a bit later i was able to get another, this one # 03443


and then, complete with 'bling', #11421


and just recently another complete and mint package, #00564, complete with white box sleeve bearing the same #:



pretty nice, eh !
roland

Way nice! I love that time in knife history. I remember ads for those in Field and Stream. They seemed the impossible dream though as a boy. Thank God I never grew up lol Now I can get them all!!!

 

[thawk]

looks like a couple of Ulster 58 Old Timers:

Well, yes,

But,

i don't recall seeing a Belknap stamping with on Old Timer shield. have you ?
roland

I've seen them on the Bay Roland. I think there are bone examples too. They made them for Shapleigh too.

 

[lrv]

Production figures for the Ulster/Belknap 58OT's (There has to be a few more out there!)
1961-1972 Catalog # 934S

1961 4,644
1962 900
1963 1,500
1964 1,920
1965 3,300
1966 3,660
1967 3,600
1968 3,000
1969 3,120
1970 4,920
1971 3,360
1972 2,040
Total 35,964

 

[Larry303]

G'day Roland, I have never agreed with the generally accepted and shown Scrimshaw lists which always states the 1976 <first> 152SC Sharpfinger supposedly has Whale/Whalers on Side 1 AND Eagle/Branch Side 2 as you have also mentioned or visa versa...
The attached photos of my 152SC from 1976 which I have always believed is the first and I have had this set for about 6 years...shows Whale/Whalers on Side 1 and The Sailors Mother Whale Ship <I presume, as it is definately not the following years 'Mayflower' reverse> as depicted in my photos on Side 2.....Mine is Mint with all associated paperwork..so it may be time to correct the other versions..unless someone can show me a Scrimshaw as described in other lists showing a Sharpfinger with the Eagle/Branch on Side 2.
This raises the question what your Folder has on Side 2......I also have both the next 1977 Editions of Sharpfinger and Folding Hunter which were consistant with their Scrimshaw designs on both...,so between 1976 and 1977 Schrade may have made a change from their original proposals to have them different on the Sharpfinger and Folding Hunter in the same year series.??? Who ever really knows with Schrade?..Hoo Roo

 

[ea42]

Great show Roland! Now I know why I don't see many of those scrims out there.......you've got 'em all!!:thumbup:

I think that barlow actually has bone handles, albeit quite deteriorated ones. Possibly the previous owner hit it with some shellac to halt the process? I doubt you'd get a shine like that through pocket wear.

Eric

 

[orvet]

I just love those veteran Schrades that have been to the battle.
Nice ones Roland.
For some reason I like the old veterans better than the "new recruits" still in the box.

There is the latest that came in my mail today.
I got it in a roundtable. The fellow who sent it said he got it in Canada "quite a few years ago on Vancouver Island."

Humm........This feller must have beat ol' Charlie to it!

A Schrade Walden 163. Blade is full with some spidering on the back & front.
Blade is etched to match the name on the handle:
POWELL RIVER ALBERNI

A nice addition to the old corral.
It ain't a veteran yet, just an old recruit!


Dale

 

[rprocter]

Thanks for the help guys. i' always needin' it eh !
so my Primble Belknap 58OT is not quite as unusual as i thought ! er, rather common.
Eric thanks for the Barlow help. the bone(?) one does not have "SCHRADE" on the bolster, whereas many of the SCC Barlows do. any significance to this re dating, or ??
and Mr. ROOOOO, all the 260SC i showed have whale/whalers on the other side. are you saying this may actually be the 2nd 260 Scrimshaw issue; that 1st had a ship ?
i have a 261SC with liberty/eagle/justice on one side and Mayflower ship on other. i thought this was 2nd issue of the 25OT pattern.
was the 125OT also Scrimmed ?
roland

 

[Larry303]

G'day Roland, I'm saying that with the very first issue in 1976 the Folding Hunter and the Sharpfinger did not have the same front and back scrimshaw scenes which is contrary to subsequent issues such as the 1977 which you mention. All available literature I've seen on the first Schrade 1976 series of 2 Scrimshaws invariably shows that both the folding hunter and the sharpfinger of 1976 had the Eagle Branch side 1 and the Whale/Whalers Side 2 and my photos indicate this is not so they actually had different Side1 and Side 2's in the same First Series...an anomaly that hitherto has not been acknowledged.I also see no dates on these Scrimshaws which later on at least gave a hint as to possible manufacture date, have you noticed that also?..Hoo Roo from Mr Rooooo.

 

[ea42]

Hey guys, regarding those scrims, I've been able to dig up a little info, but not enough so far to confirm the first year's scrims, although I believe Roland's 260 might be one, and Larry's 152 the other, as he stated (see second year below). I think the problem with the initial offering was that the 260SC was originally not even in the picture. There was going to be an 80 pattern (8OT) to go along with the 152. Along witht the scrim scene it was to have "SCHRADE" stamped on the mark side bolster. Was this one ever made? I don't believe I've ever seen it. The set was to come in a wooden box. The descriptions of the scrims, "appropriate nautical scenes", doesn't help either. By the time production rolled around (1976), memos to salesmen list the 152SC and the 260SC, with shipping dates of Feb. '76 for both of them. No mention of the 80 pattern.

I DO have a memo with Henry's approval for the second edition artwork on both knives, and I quote:
"The 260 mark side stamping will be the Perched Eagle with the E. Pluribus Unum and Liberty inscription. The Pile side will be the Mayflower. The 152 mark side will be the Eagle with the Spread Wings that Henry had origially approved, and the pile side will be the Mayflower."

An interesting aside is that there was also discussion of a scrimmed marlin spike that was to be introduced in late 1977. Now THAT would have been very cool, a scrimmed knife with actual nautical roots!

Eric

 

[tongueriver]

Here are more scans of two of the first ones. The top knife in each picture is tang stamped 261SC, and the lower is tang stamped 260SC. I have thrown a third knife from later years, to show how the first two designs featured much thicker handles. I also have two Uncle Henry Schrade Waldens, the 127 one-blade variety, with these massive handles. Their serial #'s are 00458, and 04565. I have not come across any 227's with the thick handles, but there may be some. Guess I should start looking!

 

[Dave Thinkstoomuch]

I just love those veteran Schrades that have been to the battle.
Nice ones Roland.
For some reason I like the old veterans better than the "new recruits" still in the box.

There is the latest that came in my mail today.
I got it in a roundtable. The fellow who sent it said he got it in Canada "quite a few years ago on Vancouver Island."

Humm........This feller must have beat ol' Charlie to it!

A Schrade Walden 163. Blade is full with some spidering on the back & front.
Blade is etched to match the name on the handle:
POWELL RIVER ALBERNI

A nice addition to the old corral.
It ain't a veteran yet, just an old recruit!


Dale

Nice! I wish I had more "Canadian" Schrade in my collection. BC to boot! Not easy to come by...