When is Buck making modern 110 ?

RevolverGuy said:
I'm a Buck fan and have often wondered why a modern 110 hasn't hit the market yet. The Bucklite is not it. That's not what we're looking for. Anyways I was reading email this morning and Ka-Bar just sent me an announcement on their new Folding Hunter. I checked it out and thought, "my goodness ,that's what I want!" It's too bad it's not a Buck but it'll do. Link below if anyone wants to see it:
http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/..._15_2016)&mc_cid=2cedd5428a&mc_eid=0231f4a75f
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That Ka-bar is really stunning looking. Looks like they "borrowed" some of design cues from some of Jared's designs with the torx head construction!

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Looks like the "borrowed" some of the traditional design cues re-popularized by GEC, particularly the horizontal long pull and the lanyard hole. Personally, I think the horizontal pull looks much, much better on a clip point than a smaller nail nick (which ends up looking like a shark eye).

I would love to see 2 Buck-made variants in this vein.

One would be bolsterless, linerless G10. Thinner handle. Leave the thumb studs and moveable pocket clip.

The other would be bolsterless and thinner. Paperstone scales over brass liners. No thumbstuds or clip, but keep the long horizontal pull and a brass lined lanyard hole.

The former would be a modern 110, in a way that neither the Loscha (too wide and heavy) or Bucklite Max (doesn't look like a 110) are.

The latter would be a beautiful traditional 110 for the growing number of people who can't deal with holsters.
 
pinnah said:
That Ka-bar is really stunning looking. Looks like they "borrowed" some of design cues from some of Jared's designs with the torx head construction!

I would love to see 2 Buck-made variants in this vein.
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I agree. I'm really liking the jimping on that Ka-Bar blade too. It's tightly done, almost like a comb.

Buck could easily make this happen in their custom shop. I think most of us don't want to see the traditional 110 go away. We love that knife too. But more options makes me want to own more than just one or two 110's.
 
That is pretty cool.
If they did something like that, they should call it a 210, like a second flavor or second stage.
Guys, also check out the Benchmade Small summit lake. It has diamondwood, a drop point blade, pocket clip and weighs about 3 oz. and a lockback.
Here is a link to a pic. I don't usually post links to pictures, especially of other makes so I'm sorry if I violate something, but I figured it was okay since that kabar showed up above. Kind of reminds me of a new take on a 112?

https://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server.../DSC_2576__12624.1406150579.1280.1280.jpg?c=2


They have a Big Lake Summit that is comparable in size to the 110. I watched a comparison video on the two knives and most people favored the buck almost 2-1 in the comment section, mostly due to price.
 
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jec88 said:
In all honesty, I bet Buck sells alot of Buck 110's just the way they are. They probably outsell many of the name brands that are more popular in the forums. Thats probably why they haven't changed them up too much.
I mean there are knives that are popular on the internet, but in the real world/in the field, outside of the internet, you never actually see them. The 110 might not be the flavor of the month on the internet forums, but I'll bet the sales numbers are right up there with those that are. Us knife nuts that are on here looking at knives are the minority compared to the guy that buys a new 110 every 15 years. We are the weird ones! Most of the guys I know seem to carry a Buck 110, a case trapper or sodbuster and are happy with them the way they are.
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We might be seeing differences based on region.

In the northeast, I almost ever see belt holsters of any kind. I see some trades guys carrying large iPhones in hardened cases. And I still see some multi-tools in holsters, but increasingly I'm seeing more multi-tools carried with pocket clips.

I almost never see knives holster carried. I think I can count only a few sightings of holster carried knives and almost always on older (as in well over 50, closer to 60) bikers or the rare Western state transplants (who can often be spotted by their choice of cowboy boot).

Nobody is suggesting changing the originals.

But where I live, holster carry is a non-starter, which is why modern, thinner, more pocket carryable versions of the Buck 110 would be good sellers. (The Ecolites [too fat and ugly] and Bucklite Max [not a 110] don't answer that).

But, as we're seeing, ColdSteel, Ka-bar, GEC are filling this void.
 
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you would think they could come up with an original design instead of copying one. Is this Ka Bar an american made product?

NVM, Made in China, They even call it a Folding Hunter. lol 420 Stainless Steel.

Weight 0.35 lb Steel 420 Stainless Steel
Blade Type Lock Style Lockback
Measurements Blade length 3.875"; Open length 8.875" Grind Hollow
Edge Angles N/A Handle Material G10
Shape Clip HRC 52-54
Stamp KA-BAR Butt Cap/Guard N/A
Pocket Clip Y Made in China
NSN N/A Blade Thickness 0.100

420J2 was never intended as a blade steel. Its used primarily because its very inexpensive.

* Edge retention is on the low end of mediocre, but there are worse steels. none of those worse steels are blade steels though, and 420J2 has the worst edge retention of all steels commonly seen in blades.

* I think its MAXIMUM achievable hardness is like 54 Rc. most 420J2 blades are 52 Rc or less; why would the company pay good money to harden a steel they only purchased because of its cheapness? The up side of this is that it is easy to sharpen....but unless the company actualy spent the cash to harden a "junk" steel, then you will likely only be able to get a toothy working edge.

* It is VERY VERY corrosion resistant. It almost impossible to make it rust unless you let it soak in harsh chemicals for a long period of time.

* It is very durable. Its low hardness makes it unlikely that a 420J2 blade will break, unless its design is structurally unsound.

In short, it is a poor overall blade steel, that has little business being used for knives, outside of a dive knife. MOST, but not all, knives made from it are of inferior quality.
 
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Makael, we are in raging agreement about 420J2, which is a reason why I'll never buy another imported Buck slipjoint. Buck shouldn't be using it either, IMO, for all the reasons you listed.

I'm not defending the Ka-Bar folding hunter in anyway saying this, but I do note that Ka-Bar made 110 type knives back in the 70s (and 80s?). In fact, I think they OEMed many of the Sears Craftsman knives.

I think one thing that everybody posting to this thread is in agreement on is that everybody posting here wants to buy Bucks and not Ka-Bars, nor GECs, nor ColdSteels, nor any other maker.

Hopefully Buck will find their way to making variants of the 110/112 that are thinner, lighter and more easily pocket carried while still being as beautiful and compelling as the original.
 
The design looks like a Puma Game Warden I bought in 1972, so not really a new or modern design. The Buck 110/112 are classic and don't need to be "modernized".
 
NMpops said:
The design looks like a Puma Game Warden I bought in 1972, so not really a new or modern design. The Buck 110/112 are classic and don't need to be "modernized".
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Ditto!
 
Buck, came out with the Fluid which is a modern design with the features discussed here. Your style knife. Make your move. DM
 
Isn't it needless to offer a modern 110? The 110 is the 110 and nothing else.
If it is necessary to create a modern version, the new one will not be a 110.
May be it becomes a 011 in the style of the 110 - another model with
another number.

Haebbie
 
David Martin said:
Buck, came out with the Fluid which is a modern design with the features discussed here. Your style knife. Make your move. DM
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David, yes, it's another modern knife but I don't think it's what this thread has been about at all.

IMO, this thread has been about people wanting 110/112 variants that are unmistakably 110/112s in their design, in the same vein as the original Bucklites and the more recent Ecolites. Regardless of the model numbers on those knives, people say, "That's a 110."

I've no opinion on the merits of the Fluid other than to say, nobody is going to confuse it with a 110 or 112.

Might be standard issue on Klingon battle ships though. :D
 
Haebbie said:
Isn't it needless to offer a modern 110? The 110 is the 110 and nothing else.
If it is necessary to create a modern version, the new one will not be a 110.
May be it becomes a 011 in the style of the 110 - another model with
another number.

Haebbie
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Haebbie, did you see the original Bucklites as a modern threat to the classic 110? What about the more recent Ecolites?
 
I like buck knives alot. A 110 with dual thumb studs and a clip is interesting. yea! no more one arm bandit finger amputator device. that can easily be done on the classic110. other than that leave it alone
 
Yeh, I'm not understanding the angst. Buck has been making 110 variants for decades. It's not like the original Bucklites or the Ecolites undercut the original 110 in any way. Just broadened the appeal.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that Buck should consider making updated versions of the Bucklite and Ecolite.

The updated Bucklite should look just like a 110 but with thinner G10 scales, a thumb stud and clip. Call it the 110 Workman perhaps.

The updated Ecolite should be thinner than the original Ecolite and prettier. Thinner Paperstone scales, long pull and lanyard hole. Call it the 110 Rancher perhaps.

And of course, leave the original 110 Hunter as it is.
 
pinnah said:
Haebbie, did you see the original Bucklites as a modern threat to the classic 110? What about the more recent Ecolites?
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Well, pinnah, the Bucklites are Bucklites and the Ecolites are Ecolites. They have 110 blades, but the 110 blade alone doesn't make a 110 Folding Hunter. For example: The 560 is a 560 and the 186 is a 186. It doesn't matter that they have a 110 blade --- sometimes ;) [emoji4]

Haebbie
 
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Obviously the standard 110 has a lot of appeal as the paperstone and other light weight version have come and gone. I have a paperstone 112 but much prefer the old school version.
 
David Martin said:
Buck, came out with the Fluid which is a modern design with the features discussed here. Your style knife. Make your move. DM
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A great idea but looks nothing like a 110/112. I'm kinda into that new Kabar folding hunter. My great grandfather had an original Kabar lockback. I might have to get one regardless of steel, just for nostalgia.
 
I think most people are missing the point of a modernized 110/112. Nobody wants them replaced. We want a new model that has the same amazing looks and style of the 110/112, but is thinner and lighter with one hand opening and a pocket clip. The name doesn't have to be remotely related to the 110. Call it the "Buck supergroove 1000" if you want. Ill still buy one if buck makes it.
 
MeanBeaver said:
A great idea but looks nothing like a 110/112. I'm kinda into that new Kabar folding hunter. My great grandfather had an original Kabar lockback. I might have to get one regardless of steel, just for nostalgia.
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Find an original on the Web and invest in that for nostalgia. You won't lose a dime and have the real thing. Just found a vintage ka bar lock back for sale 50 bucks mint condition.
 
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