The text in red is a lie.
Further on, last time I got in to proving what I'm talking about I got this BS from you:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...daboia-Flipper-review?p=14341880#post14341880
Remember ? And you're accusing me now of not being specific ? How do you want me to be specific and waste my time with you if you don't except specific facts and also they are so many Chinese companies producing counterfeits ?
You want exact percentage...
NOPE percentages are the last thing I want. What I wanted was for you to stop using them because you were making them up. You perfectly know that there is no exact number for this,
Holy crap you JUST figured that out? Awful proud of you this whole thread doesn't work with exact numbers, including your statements. If you knew exact numbers,which I have stated many times the I dont.
That was why I had a problem with you posting percentages and using blanket statements. I knew where you pulled them from it'll be very easy for you simply to state it and everyone that is generalizing will shut up.
But you can't. You cant, because they will not work for you argument. What you and your buddy are doing when you cannot produce facts as arguments, is to attack the object you are conversing with, instead to concentrate on the subject of the conversation, something that is so visible here - you are accusing me in the same thing you are doing - elaborating on nothing, on guesses.
I have a feeling you have a complex in which you read someones accusations and you cant help but try and reverse it on them. Kinda like when a child calls another child a name but the child being called a name lacks the intellect to think of something witty so they just repeat it like a baby.
This whole thread is positioned to manipulate public opinion
Maybe your posts are, not to prove point or make sensible conversation, you guys just want to make visible a different, wrong by many standards in this country, idea that there is nothing wrong with counterfeiting knifes, because they are done well. Downplaying thievery because their craftsmanship is great ? ...It doesn't matter what we will talk here, people that never touched this subject for themselves will read and will think about your point, this is what you guys are doing here, nothing else, it's a form of brainwash and attracting attention to the Chinese knifes, you like this thread to go as long as it can, nothing else...
Again there you go projecting what you think you know as fact when its just you writing fan fiction again.
So how do I come up with the number ? Well, "99%" in other words means "prevailing majority",
in other words you made it up. I'm surprised that someone who claims that doesn't understand my Engliush doesn't grasp on this,
You? missunderstand the english language? nah..............
in the same time you get it enough to be able to analyze what I'm talking about
No I understand parts of what you write. The parts that by a real stretch of the imagination make sense. and that I'm the one manipulating the thread... OK.
Yes you are, and thanks for finally accepting it and admitting it. Thats the first step. Here are your numbers, it took me few minutes only browsing around...
I didnt want numbers. I wanted you to stop using numbers that had no merit.
I wanted to compare a "good" Chinese company to the rest of the crowd, especially to the one you are so impressed with: KJ and ADAI.
So the good companies that I know of, that have sites and that you can actually communicate with their people and ask question are Kizer and Reate (of course you can feel free to add more).
A visible website and transparency of the company have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a company can make consistently high quality products. Piranha is a company that produces knives here in the USA and no one knows anything about them.
Reate have 6 models on their site and with the exception of the Horizon's line handle profile they all look like not being direct copies. I won't pay attention to the handle thing and will say: Reate are 100% legitimate company,
you must not have done much digging providing way to get in touch with them, decent website and the whole nine yards. The situation with Kizer is almost identical. Both of those companies have presence here and a knife enthusiasts can have his questions answered by those companies reps. This is great.
And meritless. Kevin John wouldnt have a website because the products are not marketed for sale in the USA. when an american seeks out a Kevin john knife they do it knowing there is no support for the products because they arent intended for sale in the states. A good example of this happening with a "good" company is boker. They make OTF automatics as well as butterfly knives. They are not sold in the states due to them being illegal to import. You cant find these products on the US website and if you buy them you will not have a warranty or support or access to its website because the products were never supposed to be sold here.
Let's see if there is e same situation with Kevin John. They don't have site,
Oh no the horror no site?!?!?! you can explain to me why, I assume you know it. They don't have contact info
and you dont have a point, actually most people that are buying KJ knives don't know that this is fictitious name and there is no real person by the name of "Kevin John" associated with this company
Maybe you didnt, but anyone with an I.Q. over 10 realizes that "kevin john" isnt exactly a chinese name and that it was simply the name of the company. They sell trough retailers, again - I don't know why but there is a reason for it and looking at their production I'd say: it's not monetary, correct me if I'm wrong.
That is all I have been doing but you keep typing
So when you look it up, you get of course to aliexpress and these are the numbers:11 models, 9 of them copies, all of them labeled in this format: "Wonderful Work 100% KEVIN JOHN brand
small sebenza 12C27 Steel stone washed blade TC4 Titanium alloy handle folding knife" If you replace the red text with "Strider model number" you'll get the idea what they sell. The two "original designs" are accordingly Venom I and II.
This is the company you are praising so much and they are so good that are copied by other not so honest Chinese manufacturers...
What sellers on aliexpress do has nothing to do with the people making the knives. Just like a guy on ebay selling a knife has nothing to do with the company that made what he is selling. Why you automatically assume they are connected? well only you know. Yes that is the company that I praise so much. Because I can separate quality from the ethics and business practices. Just like some here can separate microtech & strider (among others) from their own less than favorable histories.
ADAI - again, two pages, I think I count 11 different models, all of them blatant copies of Shirogorov, Strider, ZT, Benchmade, Boker and so on designs.
So the two largest Chinese folding knife manufacturers, that sell much more than Kizer and Reate are selling 100% counterfeits.
To their volume I'm not adding the Wild Boar's crap and the rest of the companies that sell copies, yes, there is no way to know the exact number, but they are prevailing percentage of the Chinese companies that are manufacturing folding knives.
No that is the prevailing percetage of what you found on a certain chinese trading site. That would be like basing all of american manufacturing on what you can find on ebay. Its meritless.
You can oppose this of course but instead of giving me some verbiage about fairness,integrity and honesty, stick to a real facts.
Are you really telling ME to stick to facts? The guy who makes up percentages and pretends to know about products he doesnt purchase, own or even handle? Sure buddy. Whatever you say. To make it easier for you I'd like to see if you can add some legitimate companies to the short list with Reate and Kizer,
carson labs for instance?companies that don't have counterfeits in their assortment, have legitimate sites and I can send them an email that actually someone can respond to. I bet you can do it.
I did do it.
