When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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coolbreezy37 said:
I think after 2014, they started to claim that all of their 1911’s are made in USA. I and maybe Yo Mama Yo Mama have 1911’s made before 2014.
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You're risking being haunted by John Browning ghost if you use a 1911 made outside of America!

Some things just have to be 100 percent America, I mean Old Glory, 1911s and Cowboy stuff.
 
shinyedges said:
Jake is embarrassed and knows he's been a skeezer. Bet he listed all those countries of origin as fluff for the main one that does all his work; China.

Seems he's a tad shy on honesty and suffers from one of the 7 deadly sins; greed.

Why wouldn't a reasonable person just come out and be honest and clear about what is made where? Unless he makes very little of the knives and assembles them. A dude with 1 tormach isn't machining all that titanium, isn't doing the heat treating, isn't making the hardware, so what exactly is he making?
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Exactly man, and dealers are starting to get pissed they were duped.

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Yo Mama said:
Exactly man, and dealers are starting to get pissed they were duped.

From Whitey:

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Whitey lol I know you mean whitty

Scott is a good one. So many makers out there that are more transparent, no need to support a shady company like hoeback.
 
Wasn't there a maker years ago that claimed that Kizer was stealing their design and producing it in China, only to be outed by Kizer when challenged? Britton perhaps? If I remember correctly, that was the first I had ever heard of Kizer.,and was the first instance of a maker concealing the origin of their product that I remember.
 
Omitting product information you know people would want to know certainly isn’t being very genuine and can be construed as lying. Shame on them.

“Made in America” is more about marketing than it is about the product. Personally, I think all this “Made in America”, “Assembled in America”, “designed while sitting on an American toilet” stuff is getting ridiculous. Just say where your stuff comes from and let me decide how to feel about it.
 
I have been close to buying a Hoback… never pulled the trigger because of the pocket clip placement… but I will say that when you think of that wooden box with the burned in branding, it evokes emotions reminiscent of grandpap in his wood shop, hand crafting things he makes in the good ol‘ USA. The tomahawk/old fashioned hatchet.. inspiring emotions around the founding of our country. Perhaps that was the intent… playing on our emotions.

Marketing is powerful I guess.

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Sibyrnes said:
I’m new here so maybe I’m missing the joke, but are you seriously suggesting that there is some kind of relationship between knife making/marketing and your superstitious believes?
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Being a Christian affects every single part of your life, including how you do business and how you conduct yourself with others. So, yes, some of us have “superstitious beliefs” that affects the things we do.

I’m interested how you come to the conclusion that Christianity is superstition. It’s probably not good to hold that sort of conversation here on BladeForums, but would you be interested in a conversation elsewhere? Email perhaps?
 
I'm afraid that Hoback won't be hit by his China parts knives.
The majority of the knife community buys/collects/uses Chinese knives.

So many folks don't care at all that they're buying shit from China.
I'm from The Netherlands and people couldn't care less which is a shame in my book.

I have owned a few China knives and they were okay, but I sold them anyway.
It just doesn't sit right with me anymore to unnecessary buy Chinese products.

When I was a kid it really was a big deal that your knife came from the USA.
To me it still matters !!
 
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On Case’s site

“Made in Bradford, PA, USA from domestic and imported materials.”

No idea what is domestic or imported though
 
wouter1967 said:
I'm afraid that Hoback won't be hit by his China parts knives.
The majority of the knife community buys/collects/uses Chinese knives.

So many folks don't care at all that they're buying shit from China.
I'm from The Netherlands and people couldn't care less which is a shame in my book.

I have owned a few China knives and they were okay, but I sold them anyway.
It just doesn't sit right with me anymore to unnecessary buy Chinese products.

When I was a kid it really was a big deal that your knife came from the USA.
To me it still matters !!
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Looks like you've contradicted yourself here. Plus, high end mid-tech pocket jewelry collectors do care if they are paying USA made prices for made in China product.
 
shinyedges said:
Why wouldn't a reasonable person just come out and be honest and clear about what is made where? Unless he makes very little of the knives and assembles them.
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Bingo. If it were just some hardware or whatever being sourced elsewhere, just say it. So either it is more than just a few Chinese scews or hoback isn't reasonable, as displayed by his disagreeable nature in that previous thread. Neither is good.
 
johnny99 said:
Wasn't there a maker years ago that claimed that Kizer was stealing their design and producing it in China, only to be outed by Kizer when challenged? Britton perhaps? If I remember correctly, that was the first I had ever heard of Kizer.,and was the first instance of a maker concealing the origin of their product that I remember.
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Yeah, that was Tim Britton, a guy who seemed to struggle with fit and finish on traditional patterns for years and suddenly claimed to have the ability and facilities to make consistent quality titanium framelocks. It was the Caligine that he was ordering from them, one of their earliest models.

Personally I have no tolerance for companies or designers that try to hide who their manufacturing partners are. If someone wants to do a high end production collaboration under their own brand, they still better tell me if it's Reate or WE or someone else doing the manufacturing, or I have no good context for their pricing and don't know if I'd be willing to take the leap.

I don't resent a company using outsourced components, but if they're representing God and themselves as American they should probably identify which of their products are all in-house and which are more 'assembled in-house'.

I also find irrelevant religious branding to be even more distasteful than wrapping yourself in the flag. It is often hypocritical and in opposition to key principles of Christianity, and regardless it's a giant red flag that there's a con man in the room.
 
Silent H said:
That's disappointing, but Hoback has showed his dubious character before. Just check out how he treated the poster of this thread: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/button-lock-wear-‘got-a-reply-from-the-knifemaker’.1757693/
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Wow, Jake Hoback seems like a huge crybaby to me, after reading through his ultra passive aggressive response. Of course, the huge religious element to all his company's press was an immediate giveaway, even back then. Definitely not buying any of this guy's knives, that's for sure. Probably a good thing that he doesn't make anything that interests me in the first place. If I want a huge pocket brick, I'll buy another Medford, at least that guy will tell you "#@$@# you!" to your face, and not just send a corporate-speak crybaby email to you, blaming you for his product's flaws. 🤣 🤣

And hey, Jake! If you don't like my comments here? Simple, just do the good, right thing and just forgive me. LMAO
 
craytab said:
Bingo. If it were just some hardware or whatever being sourced elsewhere, just say it. So either it is more than just a few Chinese scews or hoback isn't reasonable, as displayed by his disagreeable nature in that previous thread. Neither is good.
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Agreed, seems to be a popular business model now a days, qtrmstr, survive, hoback and a bunch others just having their knives basically completely made for them and the "company" puts them together like legos and calls it their own.

I don't find particular issue with that if people are straightforward about it. It's the deceptive acts that are even more repulsive, perhaps they are well aware their product will be less well received.

Either way, in typical fashion, a person buries themselves through their own choices and actions. Frankly that passive aggressive interaction was enough for me to chuck the deuces on hoback. Now this, I'll take firmly in the nope for 200 Alex.
 
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