When the SHTF - Camps

runningboar said:
If you try to E&E dressed like that, with your equipment in the open you deserve what you get. My gear, including my firearms, all go into my pack or out of sight and I will be wearing normal everyday clothes, a bit more robust than normal maybe but still normal. Chris
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Yup, I'd want to disguise myself as a typical "REI" Camper ;)
 
I live in Arlington VA, just a few miles outside of Washington DC, and work in Washington DC.

If I'm at work I'd have to find some way to make it accross the River, pack up and leave, but it would most definitely be on foot. The Highways around DC are parking lots regurlarly during rush hour, I can't imagine what they would look like during an emergency. My best bet would be to put everything in my 90 liter pack and make my way about 100 miles to my friends place out by West Virginia. Perhaps pick up a friend or two that would be along that route.
 
ashtxsniper said:
I live in the country if anyone tries to make me evacutae the 700 acre area where I live they will get shot. I have all the supplies I need and life would be way better for my friends and family than most everyone else.
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I'm in a similar situation; very rural and practically next door to a state wildlife area. Most of our neighbors are heavily armed good ol' boys and farmers with big trucks and lots of dogs.

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hatchetjack said:
What exactly are you implying when referring to "Detroit" and "that bunch"? I would think that any bunch of people, regardless of where they are from would be capable of desperate measures when placed in a desperate situation and unprepared for it.
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You are, of course, correct. The only thing is, the other guy is correct as well! What he is trying to say, I'm sure, is that people in urban areas are much quicker to act and commit violence because they live in a more violent environment.

That could be construed as some type of "concealed racism," doesn't matter, sometimes the truth is racist too, it's still the truth. The same goes for white folks or even Koreans who are used to city living, there's just usually less of them. :)

And yes, a Gov. run camp or center is the last place you'll find me and my family.

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Anyone that takes their family to a camp thinking they are going to be safer are out of their minds.

Even if you get into a FEMA trailer, nothing like some good, old FEMA black mold as well and then you have problems suing them, etc., etc., etc., better to live in the woods than that scene.
 
Kat013 said:
...I live more-or-less in the country, but only about 10 miles from the edge of a city/metro area with 1.5 million people in it. I regularly make trips there to see friends, and if I were in the city when the SHTF, I would probably bug out immediately...
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Country 10 miles outside a 1.5 million person city? Sounds like heaven to me! :thumbup: 10 miles outside Manhattan is still Manhattan! :thumbdn: As is 20 miles outside Manhattan. You have to travel at least 60 miles outside Manhattan to see even the remotest semblance of "country." I live over 40 miles outside Manhattan in a place I call it Suburbopolis. :thumbdn:
 
Codger_64 said:
A very well thought out response, Noble Warrior. But... I thought the previous poster from Australia said you had been through huge disasters and handled them with grace and brotherhood, opening doors and sharing etc.?

Codger
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Thanks Codger. We have had disasters such as cyclone tracey, cyclone larry (and lots of little cyclones etc), earthquake in Newcastle, floods, drought & bush fires (off the top of my head). Just not on the same scale as Katrina (not affecting as many people at once). We do generally pull together pretty well but we just haven't been tested with a very large scale event. For instance if sydney had to do without power for a couple of weeks I think there would be chaos and people would be doing all sorts of things. Who knows really? I just have my doubts. Generally in my opinion people have more things in common than differences, all over the world.

If you are on a sinking ship and there are only enough lifeboats for half of the people in the water (women and children already in the lifeboats), what lengths would you goto (how cruel could you be) to get yourself into the life boats? Survival instinct would take over in most cases me is thinking...
 
sptpr said:
...even the mildest have the capacity to become vicious. and those already vicious...
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You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension. A dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both style and substance of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

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A small gathering of neighborhood friends in a typical suburban community is having a small dinner party to honor the local Dr. Stockton at his house. Dr. Stockton is well-known and liked by this gathering because he has either administered to the health and well-being of his guests or has delivered their children. Everybody is especially friendly and jovial and mention is made of his late night work on a fallout shelter that he has built in the basement. Suddenly, a Civil Defense announcement, overheard by Dr. Stockton's son, is made that unidentified objects have been detected heading for the United States. In these times, everybody knows what that means: nuclear attack.

As panic ensues, the doctor locks himself and his family into his basement bomb shelter. The same gathering of friends becomes hysterical and now wants to occupy the shelter. All of the previous friendliness has vanished and is now replaced with bitter hate and soaring desperation as pent-up hostility and suppressed emotions boil to the surface. The end is moments away and everyone's mind is now vehemently poisoned by the clawing desire to survive, at any cost - the feelings of a neighbor, the sanctity of a friend's home, friendship itself, or the raw submission to violence. The last scene shows the once-friendly neighbors breaking down the door to the shelter with an improvised battering ram. Just then, a final Civil Defense broadcast announces that the objects have been identified as harmless, falling satellites, and that no danger is at all present. The neighbors apologize for their behavior, but Dr. Stockton wonders if they hadn't destroyed themselves, even without a bomb.
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Codger_64 said:
A very well thought out response, Noble Warrior. But... I thought the previous poster from Australia said you had been through huge disasters and handled them with grace and brotherhood, opening doors and sharing etc.?
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some places have had severe cyclones , or just freaky storms with the associated flooding and wind damage , more often than not , the people have helped each other big time , tho we do have scum and incidents of looting and theft etc are known to occur

having been close when Newcastle and up the Hunter was flooded , it is cool to see ordinary people doing way above ordinary deeds to help folk they never met nor will likely ever meet again

from just hearing stories from Innisfail when the cyclone ripped it up , folk there were helping each other out big time during the cyclone and in the aftermath , We rode out the storm that ripped up Esperance and the south east of WA , we caught the tail of it between Kalgoorlie and Perth , and another big storm cell flattened out camp on our return journey back east , where we went thru towns that had been ripped up , the SES was doing their bit and the rest was neighbours helping neighbours ... people with utes and saws doing what they saw needed doing , and others just pitching in

we havent had disasters that affect people on the same scale as Katrina did , taking whole towns off the map etc ... but we have had some severe storms and problems ... on the whole , people do handle them with a certain grace and matter of factness , and do look out for each other while things are rough

as soon as some semblance of normality returns again , the old emnities are back , and where it was everyone mates pulling together , now it gets back to being on differing sides of various fences again ....

but thats life
 
There is a very good chance in one of these situations I would be one of the people running the camps and doing the searches.

Imagine having to differentiate the thugs from the honest citizens. In NO the police were looting, it honestly disgusted me and it is no wonder people were being disarmed, I'm not condoning it, just saying in that chaos I can understand it happening. People randomly shooting at the soldiers and police, it seems to me, wanting to prolong the anarchy. As I said it was disgusting and scares me, I think there is an element of our society that hopes for chaos and anarchy, they are little more than barely restrained animals. Chris
 
I live up the hollow.

I have a natural gas and 2 water wells. Auxiliary gas lighting. Gas refrigerators.

I raise chickens and goats. I have a garden and I own 85 acres and the woods also have wild food.

The hard thing would to be to get from my job to my house, which on the interstate is almost 30 miles. In 8 hours I have hiked 14 miles before so I figure it would take me about 12 to 16 hours to get home.
 
runningboar said:
I saw them on the news, uniformed officers on camera looting. I am sure with a little googling you can find it. Chris


EDIT: I found it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7554865090799900529
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I wish I could say I was surprised by the video, but I'm not. Police and Military are still human. Again, a reason why a crisis shelter or some sorts would be my last resort.

Unfortunately, they do worse, makes me think it's best to leave ASAP:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...269&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

And its tough on them too:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...269&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Looks like it took them about 11 days to mobilize, although this was an event they began to mobilize for in advance, although they didn't do it in the best way possible, so I'm guessin by 5-9 days you can see this type of response after an emergency in the future.
 
EmsRescueGuy said:
Since I would probably running the a shelter or responding in some other way, I figure that would give me a measure of control, but then again Im usually headed in the direction everybody is running from.

if i really had to bug out, I think that state parks and campgrounds with at least some facilities would be a good goal if you had no other place to go, rather than shelters.

My camping gear on hand could sustain a group of four for a week or so without a problem.
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This is something I've been thinking about much lately. As rescue peronel, where do I draw the line between assisting others and watching out for my own? I guess it really depends on the consistancy and how bad the stink of said shit hitting the fan. On one hand, I'd take my wife and small dog to my parents house with a shotgun and 1k shells and a glock. Then I'd be responding with my shepherd to assist. On the other worse end, I'd grab what is dear to me and my survival stuff and head into the gorge. My biggest problem there would be the bears and the occassional hippy. I hear hippys are tender meat and well "smoked".
 
runningboar said:
. As I said it was disgusting and scares me, I think there is an element of our society that hopes for chaos and anarchy, they are little more than barely restrained animals. Chris
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Some people apparently can't control that part of their brain. My wife says I'm an action junky, but I certainly don't wish for anarchy.
 
I think holding up in your house can be a bad thing if everybody knows you have supplies. If they can't get supplies then some will say," if I can't have it nobody can!" and burn down your house with you in it. You can't shoot everybody or anybody unless your family is in immediate danger of bodily harm. If you do you will charged with murder and thrown into jail when it all clears up. So think bugging out is the best way to go in my situation since I live in a city or NJ for that matter.
If you have to transport supplies it might be better if you leave before it is to late and the roads are gridlocked. You still run the risk of looting or confication of your weapons and supplies by authorities. I'll take my chances!
I will disapeare once me and my family get to the bug out spot. I can't see you staying in one spot for long, in fear that people will find you and want to take your supplies because they didn't prepare. I guess that why I have a bug out plan just in case something bad happens. I can get my family there live there until it all blows over.
 
What I have learned so far. After posting this thread I can conclude the following things. If you have to E&E. 1. Look inconspicuous. 2. Don't display any weapons. 3. The evacuation routes will be parking lots. 4. No electricity, means no gasoline, so have an extra couple of cans if you plan to try to drive out. 5. Here in the Great Lakes region water is not a problem, but have a purifier. 6. The government says have three days worth of food, I say at least two weeks. 7. Avoid any relocation camps at any cost. You could probably infiltrate them easily to pick up food and water and then sneak out. 8. The best survival situation is a rural home. Neighbors will band together to help each other cope with the situation. Rural homes usually have propane tanks to run their utilities. When used conservatively a 500 gallon tank can go along way. Wells run on electricity so a back-up generator used intelligently could provide good water for a long time. Septic tanks for waste are a benefit. Most of the our rural neighbors work in the city, about 16 miles for us. So have a good bug out bag in your car and be prepared to walk. 9. Get out early, before everything breaks down and their is chaos.
 
It would be hard for me to turn anyone away who is in need of help. A family with young children, older, or sick people. But when is ""too many" going to be a detriment to your own families survival. Looters are opportunists and are looking for an easy score. Any sign of resistance on your part will usually scare the less determined ones away and they will go on looking for an easier score. Its the determined ones I would worry about, those who are organized and have some tactical training. Then you are in trouble unless there are more of you and heavily armed. First the stores and then the high end neighborhoods would be a target. Rural homes a reasonable distance from an interstate would be the safest.
 
I live in small town (12,500) 25 miles from a large city (about 2 million people).
If the feces hits the rotating oscillator (FHRO) travel would be difficult as my wife is in poor health. I also have a 5 year old grandson living with us. This makes bugging out very difficult for us so barring nuclear fallout or a tornado we will stay put. Our town has an independent power generator so electricity will be available and we have enough food storage and fresh water is not an issue (unless destroyed) as the town has it's own sewer and water processing. I do have potable water for a week for 4 (50 gallons). If we have to bug out I have a bug out kit and we have a specific place to go and several alternatives but it will be a challenge. We have tried several dry runs to work out the bugs so barring the human factor it should go as smoothly as can be expected. My wife thinks this is silly but went along more to humor me than anything else. So I'm about as ready for the FHRO as I can be although I keep reevaluating the situation annualy and keep track of disasters and how people cope with them.
 
zman308 said:
What I have learned so far. After posting this thread I can conclude the following things. If you have to E&E. 1. Look inconspicuous. 2. Don't display any weapons. 3. The evacuation routes will be parking lots. 4. No electricity, means no gasoline, so have an extra couple of cans if you plan to try to drive out. 5. Here in the Great Lakes region water is not a problem, but have a purifier. 6. The government says have three days worth of food, I say at least two weeks. 7. Avoid any relocation camps at any cost. You could probably infiltrate them easily to pick up food and water and then sneak out. 8. The best survival situation is a rural home. Neighbors will band together to help each other cope with the situation. Rural homes usually have propane tanks to run their utilities. When used conservatively a 500 gallon tank can go along way. Wells run on electricity so a back-up generator used intelligently could provide good water for a long time. Septic tanks for waste are a benefit. Most of the our rural neighbors work in the city, about 16 miles for us. So have a good bug out bag in your car and be prepared to walk. 9. Get out early, before everything breaks down and their is chaos.
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Good Synopsis
 
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