When will folks let it go - Microtech

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Defamation cases are hard to win when the accuser(whiner) has deep pockets and probable cause.
It seems like both parties are thin-skinned.

Huge thank you to Yo Mama for bringing this whole subject up. Microtech has never been on my radar, but now they're on the "Never Buy" list along with bottom-feeding clone companies like Ganzo.
 
It isn't just Microtech and KAI, folks made a deal out of Chris Reeve making a scene at blade show because a guy commented that he heat treated his blade steel too low. I didn't see thevideo but they said he put his hands on the guy.
 
colubrid said:
It's like buying a Ferrari and then finding out that there is no service for it or way to get it fixed.
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This different is at least you can have some pride of ownership owning a Ferrari because the man behind them is honorable...
 
RevDevil said:
There are a lot of people, individuals that are not in the business of cutlery at all, just reviewers, accumulators, enthusiasts, etc. If you have your own blog, YT channel, etc then you have some degree of free speech. However free that might be, we still have to watch what we say and write. I see a lot of posts that are loaded with misinformation, half truths, lies, and blatant exaggerations of various kinds. Again, we have nothing to do between a lawsuit between one company and another, unless you are called in as an expert witness or something. I don't know and am not familiar at all with the people that Microtech is going after, nor do I care. It has NOTHING to do with me, and will not impact my life in any way regardless of what the final verdict may be. I tend not to put myself into precarious situations and I am always trying to be cognizant of what I say to people and what I write online (once it reaches the internet, it cannot be taken back and becomes part of the public record).

The context of my commentary can be twisted if I decide to try and be funny and maybe mistakenly choose the wrong words. Then my proverbial (virtual and real) ass might get into trouble. In this day and age and for the last 20+ years it's easy for one party to sue another. The case does not need to have any substance what so ever, it can simply be a move to punish someone by tying them up in court and making them spend money. If you have a few grand for a lawyer, you can pretty much file a lawsuit against anyone you want. The winner is usually the one that has the most money and can prove their case (obviously).

As far as this place goes, there is far too much conjecture about things that some folks know nothing about. Instead of stating things as such, they write things in a "matter of fact" tone that should not be challenged. That is the beginning of when people step on their pee pee. If you mistakenly spread misinformation about a company without knowing what is really going on, yes you are liable for slander and possible defamation. We all have opinions about some companies business practices, their treatment of customers, and their products. It's all in HOW we say and write those things if we chose to discuss them. Some folks get too comfortable behind the anonymity of their online persona and don't realize they are not unreachable.
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RevDevil said:
Again, everyone is entitled to buy or not buy from whatever company they like for whatever resons they want. I don't see anything wrong with that and I do practice that myself to a large extent with many items that I purchase. This being an open topic, anyone has as much right to post their thoughts as you. The original question was when will everyone finally let this go, that was what I addressed in my post. The people that repeatedly post conjecture as fact are the ones stirring the pot. What that does is fill the heads of newbies with bad information and then they carry that as truth because they "read it on an online knife forum, so it must be true". It's hard to forget things when you are constantly reminded of them. Once thing to note is that at some point or another and if you search hard enough, it's not impossible to find a slightly stained area on almost anyone's halo. No one has a perfect record in every column in this business or any other. I'm not admonishing anyone, just stating a perspective that seems to have been overlooked so far.
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So has this whole ordeal changed your view of microtech or kai. Would you still support microtech and buy their models. Just wondering i feel like the skin in this game is your hard earned money so i was just wondering, what would you do? I mean do you support strider after all of his debacles i kinda feel that MR. Marifone and Strider both acted really unproffesional and enethical and kinda group them together but thats me. Where do you stand in this. Does it not affect your view at all?
 
It's all about who is the most sensitive and butthurt. There are fans of both companies, who seem to want to defend their company to death.

Say what you will about Mick Strider and RYP, but they both make damn good knives that are unique. This can't be said about Marfione and Microtech.

There are classic knives of which many companies make their own interpretation, such as the Bowie or certain slipjoint designs. It is another thing entirely to copy a new design. Jim Bowie is long since dead, and there was never a specific company that produced them, nor was there ant intellectual property.

When a company and knife designer labor to create a unique design, they can't help but be upset when another well established company blatantly copies, and charges a large premium for it.

I'm actually surprised more action hasn't been taken about this issue with MT.

If it was a situation where the collaborating designer jumped ship, I could see a similar design being released.
 
Yo Mama said:
I am not a Microtech fanboy....yet, I have just a new utx 85 that works great and I really like.

After the whole Microtech vs. KIA issue, many on this forum seem to have rushed to judgment. The way I see it we know very little, and existing bias towards Microtech is coming out.

What do we know:

1. Microtech threatened to sue Anthony Sculimbrene of Everyday Commentary. Anthony Sculimbrene has made a retraction at: http://www.thetruthaboutknives.com/...es-formal-retraction-of-greatest-knife-piece/

The response here on the forum was that Anthony must have been pressured into doing so,....instead of giving the thought that it was on his own, a decision made as an adult, and having spent time with Anthony Marfione which doesn't strike me as the owner of Microtech trying to be a bully but instead a teacher.

2. Microtech and KAI issues: going back through a few years past it appears that at bladeshow the throw down was given, by both companies. None of us were there, and I'm sorry but KAI's rep in the past on bf has been less than respectful and couldn't handle moderating their own forum. I'm not going to judge Microtech's response, because I think Marfione explained exactly what happened, with KAI threatening to make an otf with Microtech design, and Microtech showing if that's what they wanted they would get the same thing in return.

3. Microtech and Anthony Marfione suing their own family: We again know nothing about this or the people involved. A few posters on bf empathized with family dysfunction, but most seemed to be able to immediately judge Anthony because he is suing his Son. Sorry, but family can sometimes be the first to stab you in the back, so until we know more.....again......we know nothing!

So that we know nothing, in the future when anyone asks or discusses Microtech, keep the bs out. If you have personal feelings against the company than fine, take it somewhere else, like a shrink, because I think a few people here need one.
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Hey think about it this way. If people jumped to conclusions about microtech then you could just as easily be jumping to your own conclusions. At the end of the day we are all allowed to think what we want regardless of definitive proof of anything. Thats why its simply an opinion. Cant get mad because you simply dont share it.
 
Yo Mama said:
Wait, the same Thomas that left bf. The same KAI that threatened to copy Microtech Out The Front Knife? And only then did it result in ugliness between companies? See that's what I'm saying man there's just enough blame to go around I don't understand why it getsslumped on Microtech?
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They never threatened to copy a microtech knife. They made an otf prototype that never even went into production. Rumors are you could swap internals with a scarab. But tony ripped off the mikov otf internals. Hence why the original ultratech was never a patented knife. Tony didnt even come close to inventing the internal workings of a dual action otf. Its been around decades before he was a knifemaker.
 
This conversation will never end for the fanboys on either side. The knife has been around for ever, you can only change the design so much and it starts looking like someone else's design. I have collected and used Randall Made Knives since the early 70's and Bo Randall gives credit to his design to Scagel, and now there are countless people copying the Randall.
I buy a knife on its merits,if I like the design, function and price I buy it, I'm a knife enthusiast have been for 50 years, hell I even make knives for myself from designs that I like. The automotive industry, computer companies, etc., they all copy each other to a degree. As far as individual squabbling they can do all they want between themselves I just buy what I like.
 
A number of years ago I bought a MT SF-M knife. It is an OK knife but I have Gonzos, Enlons, and Kershaws that are better finished and fitted than the MT. At that point I decided to never buy a MT again. The MT is not carried by me. It sits in a box as a reminder that there are better knives out there.
 
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