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When you go hiking, knife or gun?

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In northern New Mexico mountains, there are black bear and cougar as far as anything that could put the hurt on you. Even so, those attacks are so rare in this state that it's not a major concern of mine.

Since I often hike in national forest land, firearms are prohibited. I do carry a couple big folders though, because you never want to need one and not have it. It's more for the people, not the bears and mountain lion.:eek:
 
What does make me feel uneasy is knowing that you are way outnumbered by the mall ninjas who carry one around "to feel safe." They are more likely to cause an accident through lack of training. When I am in a beautiful natural location with family (or anywhere really) it seems an unwelcome risk.

I understand your pause. In my experience though, very few mall ninjas or crazy rednecks venture too far onto wild public land. It just really isn't their scene. You're much more likely to find them on private property--most notably over at a friend's house drinking and shooting up his television. :p

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It's on our farm and the dogs are most always large and looking for a encounter with mine. Shooting a handgun into the ground sends them off and it's a lot better than having one or more large dogs run up on mine and having to deal with a potential dog fight and breaking it up and still having to get the trespassing strange dogs gone. As well keep mine from chasing after them, when they do go. Firing a round gets them to leave, keeps mine back and saves me a load of trouble. I've repeated this quite a few times and it's the most effective method to deal with what is most of the time a pair of large dogs.

If it's your property, then I agree completely.

Although... editing here a little bit... I guess the caveat to that would be the assumption that you are not in proximity to other domestic animals or livestock that could be spooked. IDK. I grew up in a suburban context where we did not have livestock or guns. Now I live in a semi-rural context where we do have guns, and other people have livestock. There are lots of places where you could legally shoot a pistol, but it would be too close to other folks' animals.
 
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Amaranth,

Firearms are permitted on most of the national forest lands I hike (it's national parks that are a problem for me). Sorry to hear there's a different rule in your area.

DancesWithKnives
 
Amaranth,

Firearms are permitted on most of the national forest lands I hike (it's national parks that are a problem for me). Sorry to hear there's a different rule in your area.

DancesWithKnives

Firearms are allowed in National Forests as long as you are in compliance with your state's laws, primarily regarding handguns, permit and hunting laws. Beginning Feb 10 2010, you will be allowed to carry in National Parks as long as the same state criteria is met.

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/ind...ecord_id=36f36d75-802a-23ad-412b-31c696b52330
 
Guns are great but realistically carrying that and a knife into the great outdoors is frowned upon in Southern California not to mention illegal. Here in California the predator foodchain in the wild is clearly delineated, here I'll break it down for the uninitiated:

-Criminals/GangBangers
-Overzealous Law Enforcement
-Mountain Lions
-Law Abiding Citizens
-Anything Else that walks,crawls, slithers or flies...

With that in mind, I usually have a CS Spartan when Camping or Hiking along with a huge amount of discretion and Pepper Spray.
 
I understand your pause. In my experience though, very few mall ninjas or crazy rednecks venture too far onto wild public land. It just really isn't their scene. You're much more likely to find them on private property--most notably over at a friend's house drinking and shooting up his television. :p

:eek: I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that video!

Guns are great but realistically carrying that and a knife into the great outdoors is frowned upon in Southern California not to mention illegal. Here in California the predator foodchain in the wild is clearly delineated, here I'll break it down for the uninitiated:

-Criminals/GangBangers
-Overzealous Law Enforcement
-Mountain Lions
-Law Abiding Citizens
-Anything Else that walks,crawls, slithers or flies...

With that in mind, I usually have a CS Spartan when Camping or Hiking along with a huge amount of discretion and Pepper Spray.
I have never come across any gangbangers out in the woods. Where exactly are you hiking?
 
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:eek: I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that video!


I have never come across any gangbangers out in the woods. Where exactly are you hiking?

Haven't you ever heard about the marijuana plots that drug dealers setup in the middle of forests? I would feel a lot safer carrying if I were to accidentally run into something like that. Just because you haven't ever seen it, doesn't mean it can't happen to you.

My apartment is 300 yards smack dab on a hill in from the police station. You wouldn't think there would ever be crime in my complex. However, a few months ago a girl was held at gun point in my parking lot. Who'd a thunk that would happen so close to police station?

A false sense of security only sets one up to be a victim.
 
^^^ EXACTLY! :eek:

I cant carry in my home country (banned), and when i move over here perm state law prevents me from carrying...I might be able to carry a hunting rifle if allowed in the area but definitely not a pistol until I'm a citizen eligible for CCW.

so i'll just get a big nasty camp bowie made in D2 and take along my RMJ forge tomahawk :D

We can open carry in many places in Kansas (I'm a Kansan). Most rural areas wouldn't bat an eye if you were doing it within the limit of the law. Now, certain urban jurisdictions may ban it or frown upon it, but I've walked down the road with a shotgun over my shoulder out in Larned, KS and people waved as they drove by.
 
I live in a 'shall issue' state for CCLs. In fact, our county sherrif won his post by promising to lower the CCL's annual renewal from $20.00 to $7.50. You bet I carry a CCW everywhere I can - bg's do, that's for sure. Usually, it's an Airweight .38 - but it can be something larger. Of course, I also carry knives as tools.

Stainz
 
This is what happens when you watch too much evening news. America in general is a far safer place than channel 2, 4, 5, 9 news would have you believe.

You've got to tell us where you live. Everyone would love to live somewhere that has no crime, no evil, and no stray dogs.
 
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axtalano its not your position i have trouble with. your total lack of tolerance for any one carrying any protection is not tenable. this is my position& assorted bits.
carrying whatever a person desires is their own decision
a sense of safety is important for enjoyment in any excursion
you like to debate all positions differing from your own
debates belong in academic halls
if i took you on a walk at dark in watts california one time & we were unarmed 100% probability we would be mugged.
cougers are on increase because of food supply [feral hogs]
loose dogs & 2 footed predators are definitely a possibility.
i beleive you are a practising psycotherispt [i,m sure you will be happy to correct me if i'm incorrect]
a simple look at statistictics will show the massive increase in crimes against people
your literary style of taking each statement & debating same is very tiring
most of the time my tolerance is not tested but your knee jerk reaction to any type of self preservation is indicitive of a man living on a pink cloud.
please let me take you to east dallas some evening. we,ll see if your oration is enough defense to save your hinnie.
in summation i expect a 700 word litiney from yourself trying to justify your position above all others.
know this; i live where i stand, & your proclamations are welcome ; however they certainly wo'nt be given much credence in reality. dennis strickland.
 
If it's your property, then I agree completely.

Although... editing here a little bit... I guess the caveat to that would be the assumption that you are not in proximity to other domestic animals or livestock that could be spooked. IDK. I grew up in a suburban context where we did not have livestock or guns. Now I live in a semi-rural context where we do have guns, and other people have livestock. There are lots of places where you could legally shoot a pistol, but it would be too close to other folks' animals.

Whatever I'm in proximity to, be it livestock or domestic animals are ours other than the trespassing dogs. Me firing a handgun to scare the trespassing dogs away will scare our cattle less than say a pair of doberman pinchers running swiftly among them. (yes that exact thing has happened)
We don't like our cattle running, it's not good for them and they can injure themselves. A gunshot will at most cause them to look up and whirl around. A strange dog(s) can run them for some distance. Many farmers will shoot to kill dogs running their stock. We have always (if the dog(s) are not actually attacking and biting them) fired shots to frighten them off.
 
Did I say into the Air? I have sense enough to shoot into the ground.
Do you jump to conclusions often?:rolleyes:
I know to never fire a shot without knowing Where it will end up. I've passed up shots at large racked deer before, because I was not sure the shot was safe to take.[/quote

So, you've gone from "I carry two knives and a sidearm at all times when hiking", to, "I only do this when I'm on my property".
Which is it? Your story keeps changing.

I can conclude that anyone who habitually shoots a round off to "scare dogs away"(when hiking) lacks common sense. You implied that this is your MO.
Since you didn't qualify your origional statement to include, "into the ground", I am innocent of jumping to conclusions.

BTW, ever heard of a ricochet? That round might come back and hit YOU, or your dogs, or the other guy that, "I didn't see".
I don't care where you point your gun, firing a round to, 'scare off dogs', is still irresponsable. But then I guess anyone who carries 2 knives and a gun while walking their dogs is pretty much afraid of their own shadow anyway.

Since you replied to the OP's question of hiking with a gun, knife or both, I assume that your origional reply meant what it said. You fire off guns while hiking.

May I suggest, (While hiking):
A starter pistol- sounds just like a gun. You said yourself that this sound scares away dogs.
A small air horn
A can of pepper spray.

I totally understand your anoyance with loose dogs. I freak'in hate them, and their irresponsable owners.
However, firing a sidearm to scare them away is really over the top, not to mention dangerous. You may hit an unintended target. You may someday meet the owner who resents your 'taking a shot' at his/her dogs.

Might I suggest you read Col. Jeff Coopers 4 Rules of Firearm Safety? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper_(Marine)
Pay attention to rule #4.
Lot's of sane and responsable suggestions there. It is obvious that you have never read it, or, if you have, you disregard it as foolishness and should read it again.
Let's not hear the excuse that you always follow rule 4 and identify what is beyond your target.
I know how fast packs swarm other dogs. There is no time to draw a weapon and carefully scope out the 2000 yards behind the 'target', for friendly's, before the dogs are already sniffing each others butts. There may be time to draw and fire before they reach your dogs, but not safely.

I live in an area where people, including myself, frequently pack heat because of bears. We don't shoot to "scare". We shoot to kill. If we hit our target, (the charging bear), we don't risk hitting any unintended targets like people.

Please, never walk your dogs in Alaska. We will all feel safer if you don't.
 
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Did I say into the Air? I have sense enough to shoot into the ground.
Do you jump to conclusions often?:rolleyes:
I know to never fire a shot without knowing Where it will end up. I've passed up shots at large racked deer before, because I was not sure the shot was safe to take.[/quote

I can conclude that anyone who habitually shoots a round off to "scare dogs away" lacks common sense. You implied that this is your MO.
Since you didn't qualify your origional statement to include, "into the ground", I am innocent of jumping to conclusions.

BTW, ever heard of a ricochet? That round might come back and hit YOU, or your dogs, or the other guy that, "I didn't see".
I don't care where you point your gun, firing a round to, 'scare off dogs', is still irresponsable. But then I guess anyone who carries 2 knives and a gun while walking their dogs is pretty much afraid of their own shadow anyway.

May I suggest:
A starter pistol- sounds just like a gun. You said yourself that this sound scares away dogs.
A small air horn
A can of pepper spray.

I totally understand your anoyance with loose dogs. I freak'in hate them, and their irresponsable owners.
However, firing a sidearm to scare them away is really over the top, not to mention dangerous. You may hit an unintended target. You may someday meet the owner who resents your 'taking a shot' at his/her dogs.

Might I suggest you read Col. Jeff Coopers 4 Rules of Firearm Safety? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper_(Marine)
Pay attention to rule #4.
Lot's of sane and responsable suggestions there. It is obvious that you have never read it, or, if you have, you disregard it as foolishness and should read it again.
Let's not hear the excuse that you always follow rule 4 and identify what is beyond your target.
I know how fast packs swarm other dogs. There is no time to draw a weapon and carefully scope out the 2000 yards behind the 'target', for friendly's, before the dogs are already sniffing each others butts. There may be time to draw and fire before they reach your dogs, but not safely.

I live in an area where people, including myself, frequently pack heat because of bears. We don't shoot to "scare". We shoot to kill. If we hit our target, (the charging bear), we don't risk hitting any unintended targets like people.

Please, never walk your dogs in Alaska. We will all feel safer if you don't.

Firing a gun into the earth is not dangerous on a 300 acre farm. It's owned by my family and I will shoot all the firearms I like on it and as long as the projectiles stay on the farm it is absolutely none of anyone else's concern.
A roving pet trespassing dog(s) is not a bear. All I want to do is fire my handgun and let them know to leave. (which they do) I don't want to have them run upon my dogs and start a fight then deal with them. Furthermore if they do attack my animals on our property (be it pets or stock) I am within my lawful right to shoot and kill them. I don't like to kill dogs if I can avoid it and a shot fired sends them off and most the time I never see them again.
As far as being "afraid of my own shadow" I have a CCDW permit and yes I do believe in carrying the means to protect myself at all times. Becoming a victim without a fight not something this girl will do.
As far as your suggestions, I will carry my handguns loaded with real ammo. If I need to fire a shot to scare dogs away I will. If I need to shoot to kill for a serious reason I will. I despite all of your concerns am totally capable of dealing with a firearm and using it safely.
 
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I live in an area where people, including myself, frequently pack heat because of bears. We don't shoot to "scare". We shoot to kill. If we hit our target, (the charging bear), we don't risk hitting any unintended targets like people.

Please, never walk your dogs in Alaska. We will all feel safer if you don't.


Things are a lot different up there than most other places in the world.....
 
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Whatever I'm in proximity to, be it livestock or domestic animals are ours other than the trespassing dogs. Me firing a handgun to scare the trespassing dogs away will scare our cattle less than say a pair of doberman pinchers running swiftly among them. (yes that exact thing has happened)
We don't like our cattle running, it's not good for them and they can injure themselves. A gunshot will at most cause them to look up and whirl around. A strange dog(s) can run them for some distance. Many farmers will shoot to kill dogs running their stock. We have always (if the dog(s) are not actually attacking and biting them) fired shots to frighten them off.

I grew up on a large livestock operation (hogs and sheep). We knew our neighbors, and we knew our neighbor's dogs. If we saw dogs on the place, we would call to them to see if they had been dumped. If so, we would deal with them accordingly (adopt, take to Humane Society, give to neighbor).

If they were feral or wouldn't come when called, they got put down.

We couldn't afford to let feral dogs roam the area, or the place.

Andy
 
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