Who would buy the 0454 with a non-composite blade?

Brummie

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I love everything about the ZT 0454, except the composite blade, which really puts me off. Was just wondering how many others out there feel similarly and would like to see a version with a non-composite blade?

Perhaps in the future, ZT will do a derivative version like the 0770 is to the 0777, but I don't want a 0454 which is smaller, doesn't have 3D handle scales, etc. I want one as it is, just without the black-on-white blade.

Another thing I am wondering is whether to get one as is and try to remove the black coating - it's just etched, right?
 
Offer the same exact knife with a solid M390 or Elmax blade and I'll buy two. I personally dislike the look of that particular CB blade.
 
Tony8179 said:
Offer the same exact knife with a solid M390 or Elmax blade and I'll buy two. I personally dislike the look of that particular CB blade.
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My thought precisely. Just need a couple of hundred others to agree, and maybe they'll be convinced ;)

I also don't really understand the rationale behind using CPM-D2 in such a high-end knife. I don't have direct experience of it, but am assuming it is best suited to dedicated slicers, which the 0454 doesn't really seem to be.
 
Brummie said:
I also don't really understand the rationale behind using CPM-D2 in such a high-end knife. I don't have direct experience of it, but am assuming it is best suited to dedicated slicers, which the 0454 doesn't really seem to be.
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It was explained as being a cause how it makes with the 14C28N steel in terms of heat treating to proper hardnesses, as well as how it etches for the visual of the composite design. That being said, CPM-D2 is an incredibly good steel, and considering the advantage of the D2 formula in a powder steel form, I'd say it's an appropriate steel for the knife. The additional fact that Crucible apparently discontinued CPM-D2 makes it a nice choice for a limited blade, and I'm glad they're using it.
 
sticktodrum said:
It was explained as being a cause how it makes with the 14C28N steel in terms of heat treating to proper hardnesses, as well as how it etches for the visual of the composite design. That being said, CPM-D2 is an incredibly good steel, and considering the advantage of the D2 formula in a powder steel form, I'd say it's an appropriate steel for the knife. The additional fact that Crucible apparently discontinued CPM-D2 makes it a nice choice for a limited blade, and I'm glad they're using it.
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I have no idea how D2 got a bad rap sheet, but very D2 blade I've owned has been nothing short of fantastic. Its edge retention is ridiculous and I've also yet to get a spec of rust on them (I wipe them after some use).

I never messed with M390, so the revised 0777 does interest me quite a bit.

As far as the comment on the aesthetics of the zig zag lines, I'm not drawn to it either, but I can appreciate it's unique look. A triple CB alone is quite a feat.
 
I really like the 0454 as is with the counter-shading three layer composite blade.

It'd be interesting to see it without the counter-shades.

I'm all in for a single steel blade in M390.

I like the slimmer profiles of the 0454 and 0600. I think they would make for outstanding gentleman's folders with blade lengths of 3-3.25".
 
I would, as long as the price was appropriately adjusted.

Is the 0454 going to use D2 or CPM-D2, I can't remember?
 
From the ZT 0454 page:

Among the 0454's innovations is the first three-part Composite Blade. The proprietary Composite Blade process combines several steels into a single blade. In this case, Zero Tolerance put CPM D2 on the cutting edge and spine while 14C28N stainless steel forms the angular design through the middle of the blade. The three parts are laser cut like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, then permanently braze welded together.
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The 0454 is a grail for me. I absolutely love the looks of it and the 3-piece composite blade is gorgeous.
 
I think the composite blade is awesome, but I do wish they would make it smaller. It seems like every high end ZT is gigantic.
 
I personally would prefer a standard blade. I much prefer the cardinator proto with the regular blade than the composite. for me the composite with it choice of design interupts the graceful flow and hides the tasteful and well thought grind lines. I would prefer either a standard blade or a more subdued composite that didnt hide its best features. But regardless of any changes to be made or not to be made it is still on my must have list. I can always create blasphemy and give the blade a hand rubbed satin if I really cant stand it.

Brummie said:
My thought precisely. Just need a couple of hundred others to agree, and maybe they'll be convinced ;)

I also don't really understand the rationale behind using CPM-D2 in such a high-end knife. I don't have direct experience of it, but am assuming it is best suited to dedicated slicers, which the 0454 doesn't really seem to be.
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see when i look at the 454 slicer is the first thing I think of. Of course some wont ever think slicer without a FFG or deep high hollow but I dont look at that thing and think batoning knife by any means. As for the use of D2, it would seem that due to the intricacies of the CB process options are limited.

NeverMore1701 said:
I would, as long as the price was appropriately adjusted.

Is the 0454 going to use D2 or CPM-D2, I can't remember?
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or just offer a different flavor of the week steel to make up for losing the cb process.
 
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Brummie said:
I love everything about the ZT 0454, except the composite blade, which really puts me off. Was just wondering how many others out there feel similarly and would like to see a version with a non-composite blade?

Perhaps in the future, ZT will do a derivative version like the 0770 is to the 0777, but I don't want a 0454 which is smaller, doesn't have 3D handle scales, etc. I want one as it is, just without the black-on-white blade.

Another thing I am wondering is whether to get one as is and try to remove the black coating - it's just etched, right?
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People who don't like awesome, that's who.
 
I would prefer a plain blade myself. Doubt I will pick one up with the composite.
 
pure win

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Still full of win but me likey ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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I would totally buy one without the composite blade, although I'd prefer it with.
 
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