Why am I so different in what i want a folder to do?

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goodeyesniper said:
. Everyone knows you have to slam your edge into marble counter tops, .
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SLAMMING it is right sir! When you cut a tommato or worse an APPLE on a dnner plate.. Such knife abuse will cost you lost of time on sharpening stones. These hard use supersteel knives are not meant for such use and abuse. Better keep rinsing and scrubbing that cutting board.

I mean knifes are not meant to be dropped, pryed with, cut anything on hard surfaces and not left wet. Oh and make sure to order the $100. pivot key to take it apart in case you did leave it in the grass overnight to clean the rust out from the Internal liners..


gee I wonder why the seb was so popular. I mean the screws and taking it apart was easy. But just don't flick it open .

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You say maintenance free but admit having to sharpen it all the time. There is no such thing as a maintenance free knife. I spend less time worrying about my M-390 or CPM-M4 than you do with H1. And I DO use my knives pretty much every day. Boxes, cable ties, strapping and rope.
 
colubrid said:
I want a rust free knife like a Spyderco Salt
With build construction similar to Zero tolerance with Titanium
and easy to take apart like a Emerson.

Is it only me that wants these things?


SOMONE PLEASE MAKE A FULL HARDER USE KNIFE WITH TITANIUM AN A COOL DESIGN WITH H1 STEEL, PLEASE!
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Your argument for why is easy to attack. But the barebones of what you want in a knife... I like that. With good ergonomics I'd buy that knife. I think you might be a little hung up on H1 (good stuff I like it), there's other steels that don't require a lot of maintenance, even if they aren't as resistant as H1 they are plenty for use. Still the man knows what he wants and that knife could be sold as such.
 
Not right, the thread degenerating into schoolyard insults, personal disagreements, instead of a professional discussion. As I often post in the political threads, "Without a thoughtful, intelligent thesis, we will not see a thoughtful, respectful response."

I'll be back. The thread may not be.
 
goodeyesniper said:
some of us are too busy working our knives hard to worry if they get a few spots and stains here or there. My carbon steel folders get submerged in mud and water, get used to cut wet sod, go on long rainy bike rides, and then spend hours in my wet clothes before I dry them off. they cut midnight snacks of meat, cheese and fruits and aren't washed until the next day, and yes, sometimes they are forgotten outside in the elements for a few days.

you know what happens? I keep using them. life goes on. they might look slightly weathered, but they are just as easy to upkeep as an h1 folder.
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You are right. Why make a new knife that won't have thes eproblems. We will just go on living without one, right? THen we die and they all get passed down to rust away further in your grandchildrens attic.
 
I don't get it. You don't want to become a hair dresser or a limo driver, you simply hire them.

You don't want to use a good knife because you need to SLAM it into countertops or ceramic. Have you ever considered hiring someone to cut things for you? Perhaps hire someone to make a nice cutting board for you?

Your logic seems to state that you refuse to learn to use the tool properly, so you want a tool that is easier to fix when you damage it...but you want nicer furniture on this tool that you intend to abuse.

The solution seems so simple to the rest of us...
 
colubrid, judging by the pictures of knives you're posting, you're not hurting for money. Here's my suggestion:

Buy your favorite Spyderco Salt series knife. Contract a custom knife maker or a skilled machinist to make new handles out of titanium (or aluminum, or 300 series stainless steel) for it using the FRN ones as a template. Use all the hardware (screws, spring, lock, etc) from the Salt. Now you've got a high-end knife that won't rust. Not easy to disassemble/reassemble though.

Or find a maker that still works in Stellite 6K or Talonite.

Either way, buy yourself a danged cutting board. You don't go 4-wheeling in a Ferrari. Don't abuse your expensive knives by chopping on a ceramic plate.
 
]I don't get it. You don't want to become a hair dresser or a limo driver, you simply hire them.
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It was in response to someone suggesting I start a knife company and make the knife myself.

anyway. I am done with this thread.
 
colubrid said:
It was in response to someone suggesting I start a knife company and make the knife myself.

anyway. I am done with this thread.
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I didn't suggest you start a knife company. I suggested you contact a maker, fund the project and have them make your concept a reality. Then you could determine (directly and financially) how marketable this concept really is.

It would also likely help you answer the question that is the title of this thread.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12001865#post12001865

Producing a knife and starting a company are two very different things.
 
you "chop" your knives into ceramic plates... and criticize the steel for not being able to take that? wtf
 
monger4142 said:
you "chop" your knives into ceramic plates... and criticize the steel for not being able to take that? wtf
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No I am not critizing the steel. You are either misreading my posts or have not read them.

What I was saying was a softer steel is easier to sharpen. And easier to keep sharp with just a few licks on a sharpening rod.

i never critized the harder super steels They are great! i just think there is a place now in te market for a knife that has all ...ALLL...the components that i listed to make one super easy maintenance free knife.. it is not about singling out any single one (as many have done in this thread) aspect. But instead to make a knife that is different and more maintence free or maintenance "easy" by being able to dissamble with minimal basic tools, a softer steel and worry rust free H1 with the looks and hard use ability of most of the titanium knives coming out every year as the next best thing.


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Jaytaylor said:
Try a nail, easy to sharpen, easy to EDC & will go through crockery provided you smack the back end.
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HEY! . thanks for that! More intelligent thought out discussion fro the smacking comment made by someone else. Actaully it was a derogatory way of saying it is a abuse to cut food on a plate.


Obviously you didn't read the replies either because I never said anything bad about a harder blade, smacking one or anything else. Just that a softer blade steel would be a nice departure from teh already over conceptualized super steels we hear about as te next best ting. It would be nice to have a different approach for a production knife company to produce a high end knife with a H1 steel. one reason it would be nice because it is easier to sharpen. But there are many other reason which some of you didn't bother to read in this thread.
 
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colubrid said:
HEY! . thanks for that! More intelligent thought out discussion fro the smacking comment made by someone else. Actaully it was a derogatory way of saying it is a abuse to cut food on a plate.


Obviously you didn't read the replies either because I never said anything bad about a harder blade, smacking one or anything else. Just that a softer blade steel would be a nice departure from teh already over conceptualized super steels we hear about as te next best ting. It would be nice to have a different approach for a production knife company to produce a high end knife with a H1 steel. one reason it would be nice because it is easier to sharpen. But there are many other reason which some of you didn't bother to read in this thread.
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99% of stainless steel blades will meet your requirements IF you use a cutting board. There is a reason why cutting boards have been in use for thousands of years.

All knives will easily dull against a ceramic therefore you get no advantage with super steels over cheaper soft steel as you are not using it correctly.

Common sense.

You should either wise up and use a cutting board or use plastic cutlery.
 
H1 fixed blade?

Get yourself a RockSalt and have someone make some nice furniture for it Doesn't get much easier than that?

Once again the new salts are screw construction. But I have never needed to take one down to clean it...just soak it in warm water (overnight if needed) then blast the gunk out.

Want "nicer" have someone modify it for you.

Or if you really think there is a starving market, pony up some cash and feed it;)
 
colubrid said:
Plus the H1 gets harder as one cuts with it. Did you know that?

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H1 is a work hardening steel, it does not harden while you work with it. This is a misinterpretation of some of the early marketing copy for the (then) new steel.

Also, as to the ease of sharpening, it shouldn't be ignored how much thinner the edge is on a reground blade by Krein. That has a huge effect on how much effort it takes to sharpen a knife.
 
colubrid said:
oh and i bet yu take extra special care not to get your knife wet.
Or constantly wiping it down. or afraid to drop it into the dishwasher.
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I was only going to reply once in this thread, but since you quoted me to tell me the above...
No, I've never taken extra special care not to my knife wet, or worried about washing it.

I bought my first whitewater canoe when I turned 16 in 1976, and always took a knife on my whitewater trips, conoe camping, backpacking, and have hunted my whole life. I've also been buying alot of knives since I was a teen.
I was a meatcutter, and owned a game processing buisness for many years, and washed knives everyday.
I have no need for H1.

If you really want a H1 folder buy a Salt fixed blade, and get a folder made using the blade. I know a couple that has used INFI to get a folder made, so it can be done if you want one.
If you can't find anyone to make it send me an email and I'll find out who did theirs.
 
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