Why are busse knife values suffering

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Yes, i would definately put the OLD School Busse knives in the same class

as a matter of fact i love them much more than the other ones ive stated. I

would also include Dave Becks famous WSK knives to that list/Randall as

well . i own them all and the Busse knives are by far my favorites.

Indestructable. hand shaped scales by Jerry!!!!!! AND i love A2 tool steel :cool: yep destined to be very

very collectable!!!!! even if anniversary models are inroduced they are not

the originals made by jerry or his original staff:D
 
I'm into the newer Busse models (I love them) and have a selection of safe queens along with a selection of users. This satisfies my collecting urges and I get to play with them as well.

Personally I don't get the older ones and would not pay the asking prices, that's probably because I am fairly new to Busse. Having said that I have paid some stupid prices for hard to get newer ones because I really wanted them :o :D

As far as prices...............This question comes up before each show and during new releases everytime without fail.

ATM, the forum is flooded with Busse knives, this will keep prices down for a while.
 
I'm thinking probably a combination of this,
hotrodKelley said:
It could be people losing their jobs, or having a cut back in hours.
Eating is more important then knife collecting.
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And this,
I'mGatMan! said:
I LOVE the Gifted Badger, but I wouldn't have paid 1000$ for it. I would LOVE an SHSHII or an SHBM, but why spend the $900-1500 for a user knife I would NOT be able to get replaced with same if it was seriously damaged? Especially if there are SO MANY great knives coming out of Wauseon lately?

J
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And a flooded market. But then I don't collect them, too expensive of a hobby. I'm happy with some users. :eek:
 
DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
Alex, do some research my friend ;) i have

been told that from several very reliable sources. and it doest take a rocket

scientist to figure out he could not make all the knive in production, he may

still sometimes make something,but Jerry would have to answer that

himself:D yes there are alot of knives out there but they are not losing Value !!!!!!!!
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I HAVE "done the research", DOL, and your quoted statement above tracks a lot more accurately than your quoted statement below, which is, of course, inaccurate. :D

DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
These knives should not be going down in value they are true custom knives

made by jerry himself. And Jerry doesnt make knives anymore:eek: THEY SHOULD BE GOING UP NOT DOWN:thumbup:
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I have a Thin NICK variant...
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...from BLADE 2007 that was done by Jerry as stated by Jerry to me Friday night on the benches behind the fountain at the '07 BLADE show.

All I ask is that you stick to facts when posting. I haven't heard Jerry announce his full retirement from the grinder just yet.
 
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I'mGatMan! said:
Seriously...isn't the Lile knife from a film? And a very famous film, at that?

One of the reason that I love Busse knives so much is that they are NOT pop commodities. As such, there is a small community of people who like and buy Busses, and basically sellers have to rely on that small community in order to sell their knives.

On top of that...YES, the old Busse's are seriously overblown in price, but that is up to the person making the sale. If YOU bought your SH1 or 1/300 at the prices you've been asking, then I'm sorry you paid so much, but I can totally understand your desire to get those dollars back. If NOT, then maybe you're one of the reasons the prices on those knives are so inflated and NOT selling.

I LOVE the Gifted Badger, but I wouldn't have paid 1000$ for it. I would LOVE an SHSHII or an SHBM, but why spend the $900-1500 for a user knife I would NOT be able to get replaced with same if it was seriously damaged? Especially if there are SO MANY great knives coming out of Wauseon lately?

No...the only people really buying the oldies are collectors. I'm not in collector mode, so I won't pay the prices--but if you ARE a collector/seller ya can't complain about prices. You can only decide not to buy, or decide to lower your prices.

J
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I'm a collector as well as someone who enjoys using Busse's. Everyone here knows that I own a s***load of Busse knives, yet...

How many SHBM's do I own? None.
How many SHSH's do I own? None.
How many SHBA's do I own? Again, none.

I don't see the point of buying a knife at or very near its peak value for the sake of being in my collection when, like IGM said above, there's so many great knives coming out now, and I'm in a position to grab them for less and hold them. Will I ever own a SHBM, SHSH, or SHBA? Only if I find a way to trade for them with what I have or see them at a lower price... And if not, then so be it. I have a lot of great INFI now, and I'm happy with them. They won't increase in value "overnight" but it will happen over time, and I'm cool with that. :thumbup:

That's just my take, but then again, I've done the reseach and it tells me to get newer models from Busse, and sit on them for awhile. When their value climbs, trade them or sell them, and keep plenty for using! :)
 
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Alex, there peak value has not even come close yet, when Jerry is GONE departed or

retires a very very sad Day by the way. these babies will SKY Rocket offf the

charts as the

Randalls/LILEs,Becks, BUCK discontinued Models, Case V-42 knives :eek: and other departed knife makers knives have.

I am glad we all like

different models and vintages as well.
 
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DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
Alex, there peak value has not even come close yet, when Jerry is GONE departed or

retires a very very sad Day by the way. these babies will SKY Rocket offf the

charts as the

Randalls/LILEs,Becks and othe departed knife makes knives have. I am glad we all like

different modles and vintages as well.

models and vintages.
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...But he ain't dead yet, and I don't see him fully retiring any time soon and you're asking about the values today. God forbid, when that day comes, regardless of what Busse knife model or when its release, they will all increase in value because whether or not Busse Combat will continue on, it will be the end of an era.

Have you noticed that when an artist dies, even the crappiest piece that artist has done all of the sudden become highly sought after? Even unfinished pieces become valuable, so long as the artist has recognition...

...But let's not dwell on this as it is rather morbid, and as we all know, good scotch and INFI dust will keep Jerry alive & kickin', err grinding for many, many years to come. :D:thumbup:
 
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I agree long live the BOSS HOG, i am not trying to be morbid at all, I am just

stating the facts some day we all will pass on to eternity,there is no set time

limit on life. when that day comes for any of us. Is totally up in the air, I can

not predict the future nor can you but that day will come for all of us. Some

day,especially the Older!!!! Grail knives !!!! and newewer Busses knives will exponentially rise

way above what any of us can imagine that i am very sure of,Paul

Jaxx said:
...But he ain't dead yet, and I don't see him fully retiring any time soon and you're asking about the values today. God forbid, when that day comes, regardless of what Busse knife model or when its release, they will all increase in value because whether or not Busse Combat will continue on, it will be the end of an era.

Have you noticed that when an artist dies, even the crappiest piece that artist has done all of the sudden become highly sought after? Even Unfinished pieces become valuable, so long as the artist has recognition...

...But let's not dwell on this as it is rather morbid, and as we all know, good scotch and INFI dust will keep Jerry alive & kickin', err grinding for many, many years to come. :D:thumbup:
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DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
I DO NOT KNOW WHY BUSSE KNIFE VALUES ARE

SUFFERING SO BADLY WHILE OTHERS ARE NOT:confused: THE RECENT

DEVALUATION OF OLD SCHOOLS HOLY GRAILS HAS GOT ME BAFFLED!!!!!

THOUGHTS AND REPONSES REQUESTED.
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Another reason might be the bridges you've burned with some of the people on the forums. Especially the way you've handled yourself with the 1/300 you traded, then wanted back only after dragging someones name through the mud. Who would want to deal with someone who potentially could cause a bigger ordeal over a knife then it's worth?
 
DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
I agree long live the BOSS HOG, i am not trying to be morbid at all, I am just

stating the facts some day we all will pass on to eternity,there is no set time

limit on life. when that day comes for any of us. Is totally up in the air, I can

not predict the future nor can you but that day will come for all of us. Some

day,especially the Older!!!! Grail knives !!!! and newewer Busses knives will exponentially rise

way above what any of us can imagine that i am very sure of,Paul
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The question is... What will be the Grail knives 10 years from now? The old SH group, surely, but what of the newer models? In 10 years, the whole Fusion line may just be a faint & fond memory, the FBM's & LE's and FSH's may very well be the new SH in terms of value. And what of the NMFBM's??? Available for just only 2 weeks (+/- a day), they may very well be the next "1/300" BM, so to speak. Heck, we know Garth has the skillz too, so if he stays with Busse, he's only going to get better, and in ten years, especially after Jerry decides to stop actively grinding... The new question might be, "was it ground by Garth?". The old classics will always have their place, but there is always room for more classics as time moves forward.

I realized some time ago that I pretty much missed the window on the SH group, but not entirely on the Ergo group and especially not on the Fusion group at fair market value. Therefore, I am concentrating on the newer models that can be had at a fairer price, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one. But, in ten years + we will see... And what a fun 10 years it will be! I'm anticipating many newer great models to come out of Wauseon.
 
hotrodKelley said:
Another reason might be the bridges you've burned with some of the people on the forums. Especially the way you've handled yourself with the 1/300 you traded, then wanted back only after dragging someones name through the mud. Who would want to deal with someone who potentially could cause a bigger ordeal over a knife then it's worth?
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Aaron, grow up i really hope you do some day:eek: I think the MODS strongly warned everyone to not discuss this further!!!!!!

I suggest you take heed of there warnings!!!!
 
DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
Aaron, grow up i really hope you do some day:eek: I think the MODS strongly warned everyone to not discuss this further!!!!!!

I suggest you take heed of there warnings!!!!
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Thanks for your concern. YOU ASKED FOR THOUGHTS AND RESPONSES I'm talking about the 1500.00 price increase you tried pulling on me for your Beck. First, the price was 3500.00, then jumped to 5000.00, in 3 days. Thanks buddy.
 
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Older Busse knives have fluctuated in the past down as much as 30% from what ever the high was shortly before, several times in the last 9 years.

Given the upward general trend over time, I think of these market corrections as time to buy, not times to sell.

I remember A-2 Busse knives at under $100.00 per knife.

I remember SHBMs slumping to $350.00 whch was the retail at the time I started Selling them with the Company.

I remember thinking that $750.00 for a SHBM or SHSH saw just a little Crazy for a high.

People who have to sell, some times get stuck.

Then again there are some people that are particular who they buy from or sell to.

That can also affect pricing.

Reputation makes a difference in value some times.

Working within peoples comfort zones.

Your Milage May Vary.
 
Jaxx said:
The question is... What will be the Grail knives 10 years from now? The old SH group, surely, but what of the newer models? In 10 years, the whole Fusion line may just be a faint & fond memory, the FBM's & LE's and FSH's may very well be the new SH in terms of value. And what of the NMFBM's??? Available for just only 2 weeks (+/- a day), they may very well be the next "1/300" BM, so to speak. Heck, we know Garth has the skillz too, so if he stays with Busse, he's only going to get better, and in ten years, especially after Jerry decides to stop actively grinding... The new question might be, "was it ground by Garth?". The old classics will always have their place, but there is always room for more classics as time moves forward.

I realized some time ago that I pretty much missed the window on the SH group, but not entirely on the Ergo group and especially not on the Fusion group at fair market value. Therefore, I am concentrating on the newer models that can be had at a fairer price, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one. But, in ten years + we will see... And what a fun 10 years it will be! I'm anticipating many newer great models to come out of Wauseon.
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+1

No point chasing a train down the tracks after it has already left the station.

Wait for the next train!!!! There's always another one:D

...................and I reckon the newer ones are better than the old ones (But that's just my humble opinion)
 
and I reckon the newer ones are better than the old ones (But that's just my humble opinion)
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my opinion is the exact opposite along with many here who believe the same

as i do but i can not speak for them Just look at who is collecting what

types and vintages . Thats what

makes the world go round we all can like or dislike what ever we choose

thankyou for

your opinion:D
 
and I reckon the newer ones are better than the old ones (But that's just my humble opinion) posted by: giant1
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my opinion is the exact opposite along with many here who believe the same

as i do but i can not speak for them Just look at who is collecting what

types and vintages . Thats what

makes the world go round we all can like or dislike what ever we choose

thankyou for

your opinion:D
 
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