Why are busse knife values suffering

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I can't comment on the high value collector items, but I do believe that the secondary market would be less flooded with normal users if more sellers would be willing to ship outside CONUS. I understand that this would generate some extra workload on the sellers, but if the question is between "not selling" and "selling with some extra work" than I fail to see why so many people stick to the former. Someone has a knife for sale, I'm willing cover the extra shipping costs, pay you in advance with Paypal - what is so bad about this?

There are many Busse enthusiasts outside the US. I honestly believe that if the secondary market would be more open to us then knives would not linger so long on the exchange and this could even effect the prices of high value grails.

Thanks for reading this :)
 
kukoka said:
I can't comment on the high value collector items, but I do believe that the secondary market would be less flooded with normal users if more sellers would be willing to ship outside CONUS. I understand that this would generate some extra workload on the sellers, but if the question is between "not selling" and "selling with some extra work" than I fail to see why so many people stick to the former. Someone has a knife for sale, I'm willing cover the extra shipping costs, pay you in advance with Paypal - what is so bad about this?

There are many Busse enthusiasts outside the US. I honestly believe that if the secondary market would be more open to us then knives would not linger so long on the exchange and this could even effect the prices of high value grails.

Thanks for reading this :)
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Some of us don't mind shipping overseas, and you're right... It does widen the market for Buyers. :thumbup: Some of "my" Busse's (Yep, I still call them mine, but of course they no longer belong to me!) are in Poland, Hungary, Italy, France, Suriname, Singapore, Brazil, The UK, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Canada, Spain, Iraq (to an APO), Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Vietnam & Thailand. I hope that I'm not forgetting anyone! :D:thumbup: So far, so good and as long as it stays that way, I'll continue to be willing.
 
That's the spirit! :)
Thanks in the name of all international hogs! (and wannabe hogs which I consider myself to be :)
 
suits me fine... ;) I'm a user and buyer and only sell the ones I don't like enough to keep and use - so I hope they keep on flooding the market for many months and years to come. it's incredibly frustrating that various models are essentially priced out of an acceptable and accessible range for user-tools due to rarity/collecting.
 
kukoka said:
I can't comment on the high value collector items, but I do believe that the secondary market would be less flooded with normal users if more sellers would be willing to ship outside CONUS. I understand that this would generate some extra workload on the sellers, but if the question is between "not selling" and "selling with some extra work" than I fail to see why so many people stick to the former. Someone has a knife for sale, I'm willing cover the extra shipping costs, pay you in advance with Paypal - what is so bad about this?

There are many Busse enthusiasts outside the US. I honestly believe that if the secondary market would be more open to us then knives would not linger so long on the exchange and this could even effect the prices of high value grails.

Thanks for reading this :)
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Whilst I share your frustration that some guys who won't ship outside the US I have to say it is only ever a slowed me down from getting the knife I want and not stopped me.

Plenty of really good guys who don't mind going the extra yards :thumbup::thumbup:
 
The reason I believe prices dropped has been the number of Busses available in the last couple of years. If you look at all the ganzaaz, one time offerings and shows you can see the amount available has steadily increased. Couple that with the economy and you've got a decreased demand with increased supply. The prices were bound to drop in those conditions.

That's the official reason but really it's the Illuminati moving against Jerry as he was getting too powerful. Give it a couple of years and Dan Brown will have a book out about it.

The good thing is flipping has decreased it seems so if you really want a blade from a ganzaa you have a decent chance of getting it.
 
I'd imagine that the current frenzy in buying guns and ammo has a lot to do with it. That's got to be sucking up a lot of available cash.
 
I too have shipped overseas many times all over the World and would not hestitate to again lets spread

Busse knives all over the world, i have even shipped to China with no problem. Australia

many times, New Zealand, Germany, France & the UK as well:D If you out of the CONUS dont hesitate to ask :D
 
I don't think values are suffering per say I think they are becoming much more reasonable and in line with where they should be. Honestly, someone trying to sell a regular CG knife for 2-3x original cost even if it has been out of production for 5 or 6 years is a little extreme. What I find interesting is the complete lack of interest in most people concerning custom shop knives. There have been times where a variant has been priced less than a CG version of the knife on the exchange and the CG version sells.......... Luckily, the knives I enjoy others don't, and the ones they enjoy I don't. I'm not a fan of the ergo or straight handled lines (except for the PD) and love the SJTAC.
 
Jaxx said:
I'm a collector as well as someone who enjoys using Busse's. Everyone here knows that I own a s***load of Busse knives, yet...

How many SHBM's do I own? None.
How many SHSH's do I own? None.
How many SHBA's do I own? Again, none.

I don't see the point of buying a knife at or very near its peak value for the sake of being in my collection when, like IGM said above, there's so many great knives coming out now, and I'm in a position to grab them for less and hold them. Will I ever own a SHBM, SHSH, or SHBA? Only if I find a way to trade for them with what I have or see them at a lower price... And if not, then so be it. I have a lot of great INFI now, and I'm happy with them. They won't increase in value "overnight" but it will happen over time, and I'm cool with that. :thumbup:

That's just my take, but then again, I've done the reseach and it tells me to get newer models from Busse, and sit on them for awhile. When their value climbs, trade them or sell them, and keep plenty for using! :)
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I dont own the Crap load that JAXX does but I am of the same opinion as him. I cant justify the cost of the older ones when there are sooo many good newer ones coming out. If one came up for a reasonable price I'd jump on it. but I am not gonna spend a grand on a Knife that a few years ago I could have had at 500 or less. Just like what happened with the SFNO's....that was just insane for a while.
 
So the real answer is: Poison Jerry's Scotch collection, right?

I could use a quick triple in my collection value. ;)
 
RoyalM said:
The reason I believe prices dropped has been the number of Busses available in the last couple of years. If you look at all the ganzaaz, one time offerings and shows you can see the amount available has steadily increased. Couple that with the economy and you've got a decreased demand with increased supply. The prices were bound to drop in those conditions.
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I'm quite sure this is the reason, and have though so for at least a year.

And its not going to change very much when the economy pics up, or after Blade. The days of few Busse's being made is over. With all the machinery Busse has invested in to meet demand they need to make more knives to pay for it. And also to keep us happy with a steady supply of knives which is a good thing.

I can remember when alot, including me, were having trouble getting many Busse's directly from the BCS or a Ganza. It was even very hard to snag an early GW from the BCS when I first got here.
I remember myself complaining about it being so hard to get the knives in one of my early threads:o

With Busse making enough knives to keep us happy I almost see it as a market correction at this point.

I for one am glad Busse is making more knives these days. Thats what we needed and asked for, and Jerry gave it to us:thumbup:
To me its much better than missing knives and having to buy them on the exchange weeks later at a much higher price:thumbup::thumbup:
 
DOL,
Ask yourself why you really are so concerned about what the oldies will bring on the secondary market. Why did you obtain them in the first place? Was it to make $, for your own enjoyment, both, or something else altogether? Whatever your answer is (and you don't have to answer to anyone but yourself), it is all good. There is nothing wrong with any reason to get any Busse in my book.

BUT, I am surprised that you are so concerned about the resale value of the oldies. What were you thinking when you got my Apprentice SHBA on the Bay from me for 30% less than what I paid for it (which BTW was a rock-bottom price from PG when I got it)??? Were you thinking that your collection was immune from similar losses? My point is that anything/everything can skyrocket in price or suffer a precipitous drop in price, including Busse knives, comic books, baseball cards, etc. Those are the ups and downs of life; such fluctuations should not significantly impact your enjoyment of the knives themselves, the people that share an interest in Busse knives, or everything that is "HOG". If you do find that you don't like lower prices on some investments than what you paid, try portfolio diversification. And if you think old school Busses have gotten a bad shake, take a look at most 529s that hold the funds for our childrens' educations! :barf:
 
kukoka said:
I can't comment on the high value collector items, but I do believe that the secondary market would be less flooded with normal users if more sellers would be willing to ship outside CONUS. I understand that this would generate some extra workload on the sellers, but if the question is between "not selling" and "selling with some extra work" than I fail to see why so many people stick to the former. Someone has a knife for sale, I'm willing cover the extra shipping costs, pay you in advance with Paypal - what is so bad about this?

There are many Busse enthusiasts outside the US. I honestly believe that if the secondary market would be more open to us then knives would not linger so long on the exchange and this could even effect the prices of high value grails.

Thanks for reading this :)
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I could not agree more.
I hare your frustration to the full. I have been declined so many times by the sellers that I just decided to never get anything from EX. I think that Skunk and Jerry sell enough blades for me to be happy.
:D
 
El_Toro said:
Same goes for some of the older combat grade models (i.e. Satin Jack). I picked one of those up with 3 sheaths in late 07/early 08 (can't remember the exact date) for $450 and they're up in the $700-$900 range now!:eek:
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LOL. I remember that one, as I passed on a chance to buy it. I thought then that $450 for a SJ was getting into crazy pricing territory, and it wasn't worth it to me. Clearly, a few collectors felt differently, and drove the market much higher. :rolleyes: So it goes.

Maybe the bubble on older Busses is deflating. We'll see. As has been noted above, there are so many new knives on the market, it seems unlikely that they will ever appreciate to the degree the old ones have. Even Custom Shop knives are suffering, but I think that is because many people have decided that since a Busse Custom Shop knife is not a true one-maker custom, then the value proposition is not there. YMMV.

We need more new buyers, to absorb all these knives, and keep this pyramid scheme going. :D At least until I can unload mine. :p
 
resinguy said:
We need more new buyers, to absorb all these knives, and keep this pyramid scheme going. :D At least until I can unload mine. :p
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I say we start soliciting other BFC members to become HOGs. If we could just get some of the other knifemakers to sign on... :p :D
 
resinguy said:
We need more new buyers, to absorb all these knives, and keep this pyramid scheme going. :D At least until I can unload mine. :p
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....whut happened?? did you give your BF password to Steelnut??:D
 
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