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Why did that post by oppressor get locked ?
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I respect a lot BB and most of their members.Overreaction and putting fuel on a fire is not very brave.Let things cool down or give an intelligent solution.I buy a lot from the US and had never any problems with the sellers.Xenofobie is an illness for the simple minds and you will find it in any country.
I do not think so. No one would buy US knives here if he had to pay ridiculous VAT and custom fees. There are many US dealers/makers who will - without any problems - send the knife the way EU customers request.
As for this selling/buying fiasco: If murdoch123 does not accept the shipment then it is returned and hopefully DE OPPRESSO LIBER PayPal account gets restored. I still do not understand why he sent the package with full value declared if he agreed not to do so?
D.
We've also done several deals, both buying and selling with oppresso and have nothing but stellar feedback. He pays lightening fast when he buys from us and when we buy from him he ships lightening fast! Oppresso gets two :thumbup: from us and we look forward to working with him again in the near future!
Thanks oppresso!
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Well, you have been asked for it repeatedly, so who's fault is it?
I'm with the people who would not have liked the extra couple of hundred dollars in taxes after having an agreement to declare it otherwise. I would have refused it too if someone thought they would stick me with it. All the seller had to do is say "I talked with my lawyer for some reason and he/she advised me not to misrepresent the true cost of the knife for shipping. Would you still like it?" We wouldn't be here currently had it happened like that.
If you make a deal, stick to it. Your word is all you have here.
oil
If you make a deal, stick to it. Your word is all you have here.
oil
... Well, that and your reputation for being a law abiding, upstanding citizen in the eyes of your nation...! Although I definitely agree with you, OilMan, this deal is not a legal contract. You cannot have a legal contract with another entity in which you both agree to break the LAW, and expect this contract (deal) to hold up in any court, sorry! ...Contracts 101. Lying on customs forms will break laws in both the country of origin and the country of destination. De Oppresso Liber did seek out advice on the Forum, but must've felt that he should check with an authority on this matter, a lawyer. I know what MY lawyer would have advised me to do and that would've been DON'T break the law. Yes, perhaps he should've checked with this Murdoch fellow before shipping, BUT anytime one changes the deal to FOLLOW the LAWS of 2 nations, well I can't really fault him for wanting to remain a good citizen in the eyes of HIS country. Murdoch123 should have known that even with a lower declared value, this package is still subject to search, seizure, and even the redeclaration to a higher value by the Customs dept. of his country, not to mention fines and possible inprisonment for fibbing on the declaration form. Frankly, had Murdoch123 NOT tried to lure De Oppresso Liber into falsifying the value of these knives, he'd be enjoying them right now.
Murdoch123 is also accusing De Oppresso Liber of much more than just this "extra" duty on imported goods; he's also stating that he was mislead about the value and rarity of the knives in question. I've seen no evidence to believe THIS claim.
No one wants to pay extra tax and duty on goods. I agree on this, but that's for Murdoch123 to petition Scotland to change. The Law is THE LAW, even if it suxx.
Jaxx
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While I will continue to sell outside the US....it will only be with established members here who are in good standing. I have sent blades out from Singapore to Australia and never without a hitch.
I think you could just have easily returned the packages and CALLED one another and avoided this whole thing. As of now I will NOT sell buy or trade anything with Murdoch based off his irrational actions and chargeback and attitude he displayed through this affair.
I think you could just have easily returned the packages and CALLED one another and avoided this whole thing. As of now I will NOT sell buy or trade anything with Murdoch based off his irrational actions and chargeback and attitude he displayed through this affair.
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He locked it because you are bahaving like a retard and have a screw loose and are a sandwich short of a picnic...
and since your off your loon I would suggest just giving up...you lost..suck it up and suck on a corn loaf...k pal....
your on the Pirates cove PT list....
Well, the Chris Reeve was represented as being a special run, 1 of 4, no more to be made. Turns out it was just engraving requested by a customer who later changed his mind, and was not a special or custom knife in any other way. "never to made again with serial #s for the public." De Oppresso Liber may not have known this -- but the knife was not as represented. When the knife is being sold for more than double what CRK charges, one would think it was special...
It sounds like this wasn't handled very well by Murdoch, but it also sounds like this would have fallen apart anyway.
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One should do some research BEFORE buying a knife at 2x the price if they suspect anything false about the blade...not wait until it is 2 days from their home and file a chargeback. That could have easily been resolved with a simple phone call and a calm voice.
:thumbup: 
I often ask sellers to declare less. It's up to them, but I expect them to be up front about it. I agree with OilMan: if you, as a seller, decide to declare full price, fine, but you have to give the other guy a chance to back out of the deal.
You would break your word to me to make yourself feel like a good citizen? I'll think twice before dealing with you, that's for sure.
I think the whole "I don't break the law because I'm a good citizen" thing is a load of crap. There are a lot of things that are against the law. Do you feel the same about all of them, or do customs violations occupy a special place in your heart and mind? As a poster asked on the other thread: do you ever drive faster than the speed limit? If so, by your own standard, you are not being "a good citizen in the eyes of your country".
I thought I had said that?
"Yes, perhaps he should've checked with this Murdoch fellow before shipping, BUT anytime one changes the deal to FOLLOW the LAWS of 2 nations, well I can't really fault him for wanting to remain a good citizen in the eyes of HIS country."
I would not agree to your request of a lower declared value, certainly after THIS situation. If you feel that way, then please don't deal with me, save your time thinking twice and buy/sell elsewhere. Seriously, I'm not going to risk losing my rights or maybe have to serve jail time for a buyer I don't know.
Do I obey every little law? No, I can't begin to claim this, and I certainly don't know them all and in the U.S., ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. But THIS I know...the tiny laws that I might break on any given day certainly DON'T involve trying to defraud a foreign nation of their due tax, OR violate federal laws of BOTH nations, OR... and this one is important... Get my rights to VOTE in my nation's politcal processes OR to obtain a very necessary PASSPORT for international travel REVOKED permanently. Can you see where a few hundred dollars saved for the buyer is really not worth this to the seller?
Me personally? As a Seller, I feel that all changes must be shared between all concerned parties before moving forward... As a Buyer, I feel that I should take into account that regardless of what was said or declared, I may STILL be obligated to pay the FULL tax owed on my imported goods and I should take that into account BEFORE agreeing to and paying for my merchandise.
JMHO, YMMV
Jaxx
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I'm in this camp too. If De Opp said he would declare a lower value, and then changed his mind at the last second costing the buyer $600 in additional taxes that is not a fair deal. He should have told murdoch123 that he would only declare the full value and give him the option to back out of the deal.
murdoch123, just post the e-mails where De Opp agreed to do this and I think you'll see a much different tone towards you here.
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My tone wouldn't change towards him....he has shown his ass on multiple occasions and he seems to be a whining, immature person, who I would NEVER deal with.
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Well if what he says is true I would be frustrated as well. Especially with so many people insinuating that hes a crook or thief. The deal did not go down on the agreed upon terms.
This is assuming that he's telling the truth.