Why did that post by oppressor get locked ?

[Cougar Allen]

I thought that since i was still a member i would make one final post

Close the Door Lightly When You Go

 

[JD Mandrell]

Everyone knows Oppressor sold me the Busse Artic as a prototype.

The same goes for the Chris Reeve knife, now i know you dont believe me about the Chris Reeve, but i dont care i have the evidence for the people who need to know.

Sorry, but let's look again at post #5 in the original thread.

I was annoyed at the info you had gave me about the knives but i had already bought them and even though i feel i was missold them i was going to keep them anyway.

Whatever problems you felt "might" have been incorrect about the descriptions, you were going to accept the knives anyway.

You did not bring this up until after your attempt to cheat/defraud your own country failed.

 

[Gravelface]

Where can I find the Tax information on goods going into Scotland.....I don't know if there is a standard charge, but 35% seems a bit high....it may very well be it. If someone could point me to a website I would appreciate it.

Is this "VAT"

Also the only numbers I could find on the subject were 17.5% which would have been half of what Murdoch claimed and since he wanted De Op to pay half ...that would have been the entire amount. Again this is just from what I could find and know nothing on the subject so I could be completely off the mark on this. But if this is the case ..........

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Standard VAT is 17.5%. I have no idea where 35% came from.

 

[Gravelface]

In this thread De OP states he has a 1700 deal pending:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459564


And Murdoch claims the Tax is 600 .......35% of 1700 is 595...a little less than the 600 CLAIMED by Murdoch. If VAT is 17.5 then the taxes would have been 297.50.....and not the 600. I am trying to figure out where the 600 Murdoch claims came in?! Earlier he said he would accept the knives if De Op paid "half" the Taxes....300....which should actually pay for all the taxes according to the actual VAT rate.

So is this another scam by Murdoch?

 

[thatmguy]

Ill take the Green Beret as discussed, in fact you might as wll send me an invoice for all your knives as i will get them all in the end ........muhahahaha

I found this an interesting comment early on.....(my bold emphasis)

 

[David1967]

In this thread De OP states he has a 1700 deal pending:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459564


And Murdoch claims the Tax is 600 .......35% of 1700 is 595...a little less than the 600 CLAIMED by Murdoch. If VAT is 17.5 then the taxes would have been 297.50.....and not the 600. I am trying to figure out where the 600 Murdoch claims came in?! Earlier he said he would accept the knives if De Op paid "half" the Taxes....300....which should actually pay for all the taxes according to the actual VAT rate.

So is this another scam by Murdoch?

If someone sent 1700.00 USD knife to me I would pay 19% VAT, about 10% duty and (depending on carrier) also fee connected with the custom paper processing. The total amount could reach up to 35% of the initial amount declared.

David

 

[Nathan S]

I would not agree to your request of a lower declared value, certainly after THIS situation. If you feel that way, then please don't deal with me, save your time thinking twice and buy/sell elsewhere. Seriously, I'm not going to risk losing my rights or maybe have to serve jail time for a buyer I don't know.

You're missing the point. I don't deal with people who will not maintain their word. You seem to fit into this category.

Do I obey every little law? No, I can't begin to claim this, and I certainly don't know them all and in the U.S., ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. But THIS I know...the tiny laws that I might break on any given day certainly DON'T involve trying to defraud a foreign nation of their due tax, OR violate federal laws of BOTH nations, OR... and this one is important... Get my rights to VOTE in my nation's politcal processes OR to obtain a very necessary PASSPORT for international travel REVOKED permanently.
JMHO, YMMV
Jaxx

Oh, OK, those "little" traffic laws that have been enacted for safety purposes, you know, the ones meant to keep you from killing other people with your car, those are less important to you than somebody's intent to "defraud" a foreign nation. I guess everybody has their priorities.

 

[deovolens]

In EU it is all costs taxes included an extra 30 to 40%.And if you don't find that's a lot you are much richer then I am. I didn't know that some members cared so much about UK governements income.They have a very selective indignation: do you care your knives exactly as the law wants it, do you never drink to much?I don't make other peoples process.I find this bathering very unamerican.The people I know there are friendly, social and are for the freedom (not Big Brother is watching you)

 

[David1967]

Yes, perhaps he should've checked with this Murdoch fellow before shipping, BUT anytime one changes the deal to FOLLOW the LAWS of 2 nations, well I can't really fault him for wanting to remain a good citizen in the eyes of HIS country.

Perhaps?

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Putting the correct amount as the value for Customs is the legal thing to do, but if there was an original agreement to use a lower value then murdock123 should have been told that the deal was changed. He has every right to reverse the deal and refuse to accept the goods. If it is going to cost DE OPPRESSO LIBER some money, he has brought it on himself. You never change the terms of a deal without informing the other party that you have done so.

 

[Jaxx]

Perhaps?

Sorry, David1967, I try to not ramp up the heat more than necessary when I post on these types of threads. Translation: Yes, he should have communicated with the buyer that he was NOT going to break the laws of Scotland and the U.S. before shipping these knives... Is that clearer for you? Do YOU feel better now? You got me to confess that my laguage concerning that point was too SOFT. WHO's thread is this?? De Oppresso Liber tried to addess another problem here, and that is shipping to international buyers. He took a chance, and tried. He made a mistake that I believe to be in good faith based on others who have dealt with him. He is new to the international shipping process, as am I, and he made changes based on legal advice provided by an attorney. It seems that the real lesson is to avoid dealing internationally unless full discosure of the value and description of goods is provided on the customs form... Perhaps. Sheesh.

 

[automated ugug]

hey all

i'm not here to get into a he said she said ... on the issue of taxes

i just purchased a manix .. cost 101$ . shipping 15$ which is about 60£ ... however after the postman delivered it the total came to just under 80 pounds .. they also charge on their exchange rates, a handling fee, vat +import duties on the knife plus on the shipping :jerkit: .. .. the total worked out to about 30% on top

alas when it comes to taxes we have no choice, no petitions count ... we pay and hope that once in a while we can rely on our friends to help us afford that really expensive knife


cheers

ug

 

[Jaxx]

You're missing the point. I don't deal with people who will not maintain their word. You seem to fit into this category.

No offense, but you don't even know me, OR how much importance that I place on my WORD, that to me it is everything. My GBU feedback speaks volumes. I will NOT give my word on ANYTHING I don't think I can deliver on, PERIOD. But feel free to not deal with me based on what you don't know.

Oh, OK, those "little" traffic laws that have been enacted for safety purposes, you know, the ones meant to keep you from killing other people with your car, those are less important to you than somebody's intent to "defraud" a foreign nation. I guess everybody has their priorities.

Where did I write "traffic", or specify which laws I may unknowingly break? You may be confusing me with another's post.
Hey... if you feel that I'M the one to be jumped on here, please open a new thread, drop me a PM, and we can finish this conversation on another GBU thread unrelated to this matter. I'll show, and give a fair rebuttal.
Jaxx

 

[droopy170]

I guess we differ in that if I give my word, legal or not, I will stand beside it. If I have moral problems with it I don't give my word or agree to it in the first place. But that's me and I'm admittedly a bit weird.

+1
If De Op did change his mind, regardless of the reason, would it not have been easier just to tell murdoch first, and give him the choice? I respect the decision to "do the right thing", but why not tell him before shipping and avoid all these problems.

Droopy

 

[David1967]

Yes, he should have communicated with the buyer that he was NOT going to break the laws of Scotland and the U.S. before shipping these knives... Is that clearer for you? Do YOU feel better now?

Yes and yes. Thank you

David

 

[Nathan S]

No offense, but you don't even know me, OR how much importance that I place on my WORD, that to me it is everything. My GBU feedback speaks volumes. I will NOT give my word on ANYTHING I don't think I can deliver on, PERIOD. But feel free to not deal with me based on what you don't know.

My comment was based on your words. Your very own statement. If what you wrote is not what you meant, you can hardly blame me for not understanding you.

Where did I write "traffic", or specify which laws I may unknowingly break? You may be confusing me with another's post.

Nope, no confusion. Traffic laws happen to make an easy example, but I'll be glad to focus on other laws that you think might be more appropriate. What is up with the "unknowingly", though? You've never knowingly broken a law, any law? Not even a parking violation?

Hey... if you feel that I'M the one to be jumped on here, please open a new thread, drop me a PM, and we can finish this conversation on another GBU thread unrelated to this matter. I'll show, and give a fair rebuttal.

As you may have gathered, I didn't much like all the chest - thumping about good citizenship being equal to declaring full value on customs forms. But, hey, if that's how you really feel, it's no skin off my nose. I think it's wrong, but it doesn't concern me personally one way or another. What did, and does, concern me, was your statement that it would be OK, as a "good citizen", to go back on your word to the buyer and declare a different value on the customs declaration. Now, I read the clarification in your last reply to David1967, and that's fine, but please be aware that that is not what you originally stated.

 

[Jaxx]

Yes and yes. Thank you

:thumbup:

My comment was based on your words. Your very own statement. If what you wrote is not what you meant, you can hardly blame me for not understanding you.

Ok, I hardly blame you. Just as I hardly blame De Oppresso Liber for making his honest mistake. We're all Human, right?

Nope, no confusion. Traffic laws happen to make an easy example, but I'll be glad to focus on other laws that you think might be more appropriate. What is up with the "unknowingly", though? You've never knowingly broken a law, any law? Not even a parking violation?

:yawn:

As you may have gathered, I didn't much like all the chest - thumping about good citizenship being equal to declaring full value on customs forms. But, hey, if that's how you really feel, it's no skin off my nose. I think it's wrong, but it doesn't concern me personally one way or another. What did, and does, concern me, was your statement that it would be OK, as a "good citizen", to go back on your word to the buyer and declare a different value on the customs declaration. Now, I read the clarification in your last reply to David1967, and that's fine, but please be aware that that is not what you originally stated.

Ok, well... Thanks for sharing. Freedom of speech is a cool right to enjoy.
Jaxx

 

[1whobuys]

An agreement was reached and then changed, Reeve's has placed doubt on his as not being a custom, I have never seen an Arctic 1 like that and I doubted it when it posted.
I have owned more Arctic 1's than anyone else here other than J. Busse himself.
I still own one of the first if not the first one sold to the public, I also still own the Prototype called "Bull Nose"
The knife sold here looks like a BME Variant to me.

Reject the package and let it be returned, cancel the PP and return his money

And while I'm at it the SHBM finished in double cut finish is not an original either...Double cut didn't even come a round for more that two years after the SHBM's were discontinued.
That knife was a user sent back and redone, I know because it was offered to me by Mark Fratello, I told him I would take it, send it to Ohio with instructions to D-cut finish it.
He then reneged on the deal and had the D-cut done and sold it for a factory Original....it's not!
Fratello is a snake so watch what was once his, he will flat out lie to you and lie about what he has and what it is.

 

[OldPhysics]

Fratello is a snake so watch what was once his, he will flat out lie to you and lie about what he has and what it is.

Many thanks for the facts. They're infinitely more valuable than opinions.

Once we know, we can take steps to protect ourselves.