Why do I hate Cold Steel?

MolokaiRider said:
I have no idea why a person would feel entitled enough to think a private company owes them something as a consumer.

To love the products, but yet call the owner a sell-out that shafted it’s employees and customers is a strange concept.

I know as a business owner myself, that I would be not only disappointed, but also insulted.

Also, M Mohave Aviator , you have to understand that in a community forum such as this one, you are going to get lots of different opinions. Many may not align with yours, and that’s ok.
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I understand that buddy, I am just defending my view. Why is it ok for everybody to tell me Cold Steel sucks and I'm wrong, but it's not ok to have my opinon or defend it? My whole reason for replying is because one or more peope would not let me have my opinion. Holy smokes!! The hypocrissy around here
 
Mohave Aviator said:
Oh....so you think you can jump in and bully me cause your a mod and don't like what i say? You and some others have been against me from the start. All i have done is defend my view. You jumped in and missqouted me and I need to back track and explain things to you? Uh...No, you can go back and read my post and if you require edification, you can ask for it the correct way (like i did with the other gentlemen).

You don't get to jump in and be a jerk just cause you moderate. Or, maybe you do and if that's so, then ban me. You know you were wrong and you know I have not personally attacked or cursed at anyone.
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Mohave Aviator said:
Show me another maker that produces a 4inch folding blade capable of easily piercing IIIA body armor, and Kevlar helmets ( without collapsing on my fingers) for under 175.00.
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I'm afraid I may spoil the whole discussion by interjecting some facts, but ...

Those are not difficult tasks. If you try the experiment you will find any sharp knife can pierce and cut Kevlar and nylon, and knives in that price range can be expected to have locks that work.

That was Lynn Thompson's marketing genius, to demonstrate doing ordinary things with his knives that any knife can do, and yell about how amazing it is so convincingly that many people who haven't tried it themselves were convinced it really was amazing.
 
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Mohave Aviator said:
I understand that buddy, I am just defending my view. Why is it ok for everybody to tell me Cold Steel sucks and I'm wrong, but it's not ok to have my opinon or defend it? My whole reason for replying is because one or more peope would not let me have my opinion. Holy smokes!! The hypocrissy around here
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Hold up.

You are offering your opinion. There are others that don’t agree with your opinion. If you wish to pursue defending yours, you can expect others to defend theirs.

I agree with your sentiments that Cold Steel made affordable products that were high value. I also agree it is a bummer it was sold.

I disagree with the idea that Lynn is a sellout who shafted employees, and that he owes “us”.

I am not censoring you. I am merely disagreeing with some of your opinions. As have others.

Lastly, welcome to BladeForums. It seems like you got a rough start here, but I want to extend the proverbial fig branch to you and well wishes. This is a great and diverse community that has a lot to offer.
 
Mohave Aviator said:
Oh....so you think you can jump in and bully me cause your a mod and don't like what i say? You and some others have been against me from the start. All i have done is defend my view. You jumped in and missqouted me and I need to back track and explain things to you? Uh...No, you can go back and read my post and if you require edification, you can ask for it the correct way (like i did with the other gentlemen).

You don't get to jump in and be a jerk just cause you moderate. Or, maybe you do and if that's so, then ban me. You know you were wrong and you know I have not personally attacked or cursed at anyone.
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Show me where I "misquoted" you... I'll be waiting for that one.

Bully you... you brought the "mod" BS up, not me.

I believe you're the one running on emotion here, again not me.

My whole point of quoting you was the ignorant comment of yours about the USA not producing a lot of high quality knives.
 
Cougar Allen said:
I'm afraid I may spoil the whole discussion by interjecting some facts, but ...

Those are not difficult tasks. If you try the experiment you will find any sharp knife can pierce and cut Kevlar and nylon, and knives in that price range can be expected to have locks that work.

That was Lynn Thompson's marketing genius, to demonstrate doing ordinary things with his knives that any knife can do, and yell about how amazing it is so convincingly that many people who have tried it themselves were convinced it really was amazing.
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Yes friend, i know that "in reality" there are many knives that can do this. For the record, I was not refering to their cheezy marketing video. I have personaly used my knife to stab through these items in the military, and before anybody says anything, no, there were no bodies in or behind them.
 
For the record, I never said, or even implied, that I dislike Cold Steel, or even LT. Fact is, I've met him. He's OK, probably not someone I'd hang with, but that's me more than him. And his products ran the gamut from OK to 'Oh wow!" I've had three Twistmasters, an SRK, a Culloden, and a few others. In fact, the last knife I bought was a Drop Forged Survivalist. 2 weeks ago.

To be fair, I'm just not convinced LT did anything that was wrong, morally reprehensible, silly, or even unexpected of a man his age, and with his assets.

ARE WE CLEAR???
 
Boru13 said:
Show me where I "misquoted" you... I'll be waiting for that one.

Bully you... you brought the "mod" BS up, not me.

I believe you're the one running on emotion here, again not me.

My whole point of quoting you was the ignorant comment of yours about the USA not producing a lot of high quality knives.
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Ok friend, I give up. I don't want to argue with you guys anymore ( atleast not tonight). For the record, i said the USA does not manufacture a lot of high quality knife *steel*. Which is true, we don't. So you see friend, I really wasn't saying what you thought I was. Obviously I believe the USA makes very good knifes. In closing ( and I hope you read this) I meant nothing personal, I'm just defending my veiw, albeit passionately. I apologize if I offended you or anyone else. We disagree, but we all enjoy knives and there is no reason we can't argue it out and be friends afterwards. You guys enjoy your night.
 
Mohave Aviator said:
Yes friend, i know that "in reality" there are many knives that can do this. For the record, I was not refering to their cheezy marketing video. I have personaly used my knife to stab through these items in the military, and before anybody says anything, no, there were no bodies in or behind them.
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Why were you stabbing though government property that our taxes pay for? As a tax payer of over 25 years, I feel that you owe us.
 
Ok guys, for all those I offended, I apologize. I'm just passionate over my veiws and while I try hard not to attack or cross that line, my passion to prove my point can offend some. I'll be back to offend others tomorrow.

In all seriousness folks, at the end of the day i'm always ready to be friends again. Let's not hold gruges ok. You all have a good night.
 
Boru13 said:
Show me where I "misquoted" you... I'll be waiting for that one.

Bully you... you brought the "mod" BS up, not me.

I believe you're the one running on emotion here, again not me.

My whole point of quoting you was the ignorant comment of yours about the USA not producing a lot of high quality knives.
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To be fair, he said USA didn't make quality steel, not that they didn't make quality knives. Which, in his opinion, is not asinine, because companies like Crucible and Carpenter are actually Uzbekistani, and steels like CTS-204P, CPM-20CV, CPM-3V, and S110V are complete junk. Cold Steel certainly never used junk by Carpenter or Crucible.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Um, no. It's so far from the truth that nobody thought you could possibly mean that literally. I can't imagine where you got that idea....
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Are you joking? America does not make the quantity of quality knife steel that we used to. This is fact brother and it's why almost all blade companies have shifted production over seas. We simply don't produce the **quantity** that we used to. That's fact brother, do the research.
 
Planterz said:
To be fair, he said USA didn't make quality steel, not that they didn't make quality knives. Which, in his opinion, is not asinine, because companies like Crucible and Carpenter are actually Uzbekistani, and steels like CTS-204P, CPM-20CV, CPM-3V, and S110V are complete junk. Cold Steel certainly never used junk by Carpenter or Crucible.
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lol...that was good brother. Defend me on one point and stick it to me in the last sentence. I can appreciate the cleverness of your comment. In truth, I know that not all of Cold Steels line uses ( what i would call) good steel. I only vouch for a couple of their makes anyway, not their entire line. Good comment, in all seriousness.
 
Mohave Aviator said:
Are you joking? America does not make the quantity of quality knife steel that we used to. This is fact brother and it's why almost all blade companies have shifted production over seas. We simply don't produce the **quantity** that we used to. That's fact brother, do the research.
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Um.... Here in the real world, knife manufacturing is a very small part of the steel market. Although most steelmaking in general has moved to other countries to lower costs, the best knife steels are still made in the United States - in fact, some companies go to considerable expense to ship US made steel to Asia to be made into knives, because it makes a superior product.
 
Mohave Aviator said:
If Wilson Combat or ( insert custom gun maker) sold itself to century arms or HighPoint, none of you would be upset? I call Bull crap. You don't care because you are not a fan and you didn't depend on those blades.
The hypocrisy around here is absurd. If you loyaly supported a company and bet your life on the quality of that product, you'd certainly be upset if that product was destroyed.
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You chose an example of a producer of extremely high-end ("expensive") arms and gear, and one that produces extremely low-end (not necessarily low quality, but low end -- "inexpensive") for your comparison. CS isn't Wilson Combat. GSMO isn't Hi-Point Firearms. Nor is the reverse true. Did you honestly think we wouldn't catch that? Did you honestly feel you could sell that comparison? smh.

Simply put you have no idea what's going to happen to the product quality and selection of GMSO/CS offerings. Yet you comment as if you do and that's ridiculous. All you can do, just like the rest of us unless you have insider information, is make assumptions.

One thing that astonishes me is that there has been no discussion about what's actually transpired when GMSO has acquired other companies? Now THAT would provide some real insights into CS's future!
 
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justjed said:
Umm, sounds as if you are the one whose emotions are running a little hot.

Is the sale of CS a sad thing? Yup. Is it the end of an era? Yup. Is the quality going to tank? Maybe. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TRUTHS.
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Not really.

"Is the sale of CS a sad thing?" The TRUTH is #1) We'll have to see (CS could well improve) and #2) What was the alternative (CS might have closed or been sold to someone like Taylor Brands)?
 
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