Why do people like 1095 for pricier knives?

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RX-79G said:
What a weird attitude. Alloy and heat treatment are both important.


Are you saying you can't get W1 or W2 to forge weld? All of a sudden these tiny amounts of alloying elements are so important?
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We are talking about 1095 and W1/W2 which already a good steel aren't we?

Try working with these steel and you will understand that even tiny amount of alloy does make a huge different... you might even understood that even the same labeled steel but from difference supply are not the same.

When it come to steel, there are many thing you should learn... its not very simple as you might thought.
 
shqxk said:
We are talking about 1095 and W1/W2 which already a good steel aren't we?

Try working with these steel and you will understand that even tiny amount of alloy does make a huge different... you might even understood that even the same labeled steel but from difference supply are not the same.

When it come to steel, there are many thing you should learn... its not very simple as you might thought.
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I do forge weld knives. I'm asking if you haven't been able to get W series steels to weld.
 
RX-79G said:
I do forge weld knives. I'm asking if you haven't been able to get W series steels to weld.
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Most low alloy carbon steel from 5160, 52100 to O1 to W2 can be welded with 416 with proper technique/flux but the failure rate are much higher than plain carbon steel like 1095/1084 and the transition are also not very beautiful.
 
shqxk said:
Most low alloy carbon steel from 5160, 52100 to O1 to W2 can be welded with 416 with proper technique/flux but the failure rate are much higher than plain carbon steel like 1095/1084 and the transition are also not very beautiful.
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I didn't realize you were talking about SS to carbon welding. Thank you.


You understand this thread is not about customs? I've stated several times I have no issue with any custom knife steel.
 
RX-79G said:
I didn't realize you were talking about SS to carbon welding. Thank you.


You understand this thread is not about customs? I've stated several times I have no issue with any custom knife steel.
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Maybe it's my fault that didn't read the whole thread properly. But when you said pricier knife, it might lead people to thought of something like thousands dollar worth custom...

If you talking about high end, plain production knife like $300 price range then I agreed with you that 1095 is far from the best performance steel.
 
shqxk said:
Maybe it's my fault that didn't read the whole thread properly. But when you said pricier knife, it might lead people to thought of something like thousands dollar worth custom...

If you talking about high end, plain production knife like $300 price range then I agreed with you that 1095 is far from the best performance steel.
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It is an unnecessarily long thread because of a lot of back and forth dispelling some widely held misinformation. I don't blame you for skipping most of it.


People will really fight for their right to believe something that is demonstrably not true.
 
I would spend good amount of money on 1095 or W2 blade only if its is a forged work with brut de forge finished or with beautiful hamon/lamination..

Otherwise I would take a good stainless for smaller blade, CPM-3V/PD1 for larger one anyday.
 
Mr. OP,

Could you give us some examples of 1095 knives that reside in the 'pricier' realm according to your all-knowing wisdom? Or is it just ESEE that you don't like?
 
KingMC said:
Mr. OP,

Could you give us some examples of 1095 knives that reside in the 'pricier' realm according to your all-knowing wisdom? Or is it just ESEE that you don't like?
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I have already. Please go back and read.


I would normally be more helpful, but you've been so condescending and rude while defending your fallacies that I have no patience left for you. Multiple, knowledgeable people have offered you the same information I have, and you're still being a jerk about it.

You can be rude and right or polite and wrong, but rude and wrong are pretty much intolerable.
 
I don't recall you giving any examples other than ESEE. Is this just a hypothetical discussion or are you secretly annoyed at ESEE for selling overpriced knives?

Finally stooped to name-calling, though. If you had noticed I specifically avoided that throughout this thread because it makes any argument look bad. But you'd rather be right than be liked.
 
KingMC said:
I don't recall you giving any examples other than ESEE. Is this just a hypothetical discussion or are you secretly annoyed at ESEE for selling overpriced knives?

Finally stooped to name-calling, though. If you had noticed I specifically avoided that throughout this thread because it makes any argument look bad. But you'd rather be right than be liked.
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No, you haven't. Snide stuff like your "all-knowing wisdom" comment is just how you've been the whole time. There is a small group of people on this forum that believe that as long as they don't use naughty words their exceptionally rude and condescending behavior is okay. It isn't, plenty of people here don't care for the constant character attacks that are completely outside the bounds of the forum rules or spirit.

I have tolerated you for many, many posts. You are neither right nor even remotely likable, even if you're a member of a club of like minded misanthropes. Labeling your behavior as "being a jerk" isn't rude - it is accurate. All you're doing now is sounding bitter as the egg dries on your face.
 
RX-79G said:
We can discuss whatever you want, but I can't answer questions that don't make any sense. Becker is not the same steel as Tops. It is a better steel.

And I'll save you the rest of your objections - there are no two knives made by different companies that are identical - totally preventing any sort of perfect comparison of dollar to value between them.


If you feel this means you've "won", please enjoy your victory with my compliments.
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I have a broken Becker made out of a "better steel" but my ESEE knives are still in tact. Does this mean that possibly plain ol 1095 might be a better choice for some people doing some tasks under some circumstances?

Steel choice is a personal thing. All steels have different attributes just pick one that has the qualities you are looking for at a price you can afford. Steels aren't "better" they are simply different.
 
PatrickKnight said:
I have a broken Becker made out of a "better steel" but my ESEE knives are still in tact. Does this mean that possibly plain ol 1095 might be a better choice for some people doing some tasks under some circumstances?

Steel choice is a personal thing. All steels have different attributes just pick one that has the qualities you are looking for at a price you can afford. Steels aren't "better" they are simply different.
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Do you honestly feel that this was a measure of anything to do with alloys? If the ESEE had been the one to break, would you have posted that on this thread in support of the OP?


I don't think ESEE or Becker have a rash of broken knives.
 
RX-79G said:
Do you honestly feel that this was a measure of anything to do with alloys? If the ESEE had been the one to break, would you have posted that on this thread in support of the OP?


I don't think ESEE or Becker have a rash of broken knives.
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What was it a measure of exactly then? He was sharing his personal experience. Does that count for nothing?
 
PatrickKnight said:
I have a broken Becker made out of a "better steel" but my ESEE knives are still in tact. Does this mean that possibly plain ol 1095 might be a better choice for some people doing some tasks under some circumstances?

Steel choice is a personal thing. All steels have different attributes just pick one that has the qualities you are looking for at a price you can afford. Steels aren't "better" they are simply different.
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Anecdotal evidence is invalid to him, he only cares about the numbers behind the steels. If you tell him you have had good experiences with a steel he thinks is inferior he'll just tell you your knife sucks and you just don't know it yet.
 
AntDog said:
What was it a measure of exactly then? He was sharing his personal experience. Does that count for nothing?
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I don't think anecdotal reports of one breakage mean anything, including breakages of knives made of 1095. The OP was not about how fragile or awful 1095 is, but how it doesn't perform as well as some other fairly inexpensive steels.

If you were shopping for a car and someone told you their Toyota lost a CV joint, would you immediately buy a Honda instead? None of the knives we're talking about break often, if they do break it would be stretch to immediately go to just one factor in the knifemaking process and assign it to that, and this is all assuming that there wasn't a good reason the one knife broke and that any knife wouldn't have broken in the same circumstance.

It isn't that personal experience isn't worth anything, but there's nothing in this topic that really has much to do with broken knives. Metallurgical difference in toughness might buy you a few extra degrees of bend or other abuse, but if a knife is taken well past that the alloy had no role.


Did YOU think this one broken knife is meaningful?
 
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