Why do shirivo bear knives so expensive??

I'm cringing as I type this because I've read it here many times in different tunes..

How would a user ever accidentally spine whack with enough force WITHOUT having ANY force applied to the framelock to get it to disengage?

I just can't see it happening.

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marcus52AR said:
How would a user ever accidentally spine whack with enough force WITHOUT having ANY force applied to the framelock to get it to disengage?
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Entirely beside the point, the lock should function properly without assistance...and I can assure you it can happen in awkward cutting situations.

What about linerlocks? Same lock interface with no chance of your hand backing it up...would you be ok with a liner lock slipping?
 
In all the years ive used folders,ive never seen a situation where the spine got hit in any way. the blade goes forward during cutting(duh) so does the spine.not sure how relevant this test is in the 1st place,as someone else pointed out...
 
WValtakis said:
Entirely beside the point, the lock should function properly without assistance...and I can assure you it can happen in awkward cutting situations.

What about linerlocks? Same lock interface with no chance of your hand backing it up...would you be ok with a liner lock slipping?
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I agree that locks should function properly without assistance.

I disagree with your assurance that a spine whack could happen to me while making an awkward cut.
 
goldie said:
In all the years ive used folders,ive never seen a situation where the spine got hit in any way. the blade goes forward during cutting(duh) so does the spine.not sure how relevant this test is in the 1st place,as someone else pointed out...
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Sure, under normal cutting circumstances, but if you're pulling out of a stuck cut to reposition...force in the other direction. If the blade pops out of the cut and hits something because your in a tight area...spine tap.
 
WValtakis said:
Sure, under normal cutting circumstances, but if you're pulling out of a stuck cut to reposition...force in the other direction. If the blade pops out of the cut and hits something because your in a tight area...spine tap.
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Touche, but even in a case like that you'd need to be quite aggressive and careless.
 
marcus52AR said:
Touche, but even in a case like that you'd need to be quite aggressive and careless.
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Or in a less than ideal situation trying to get home...weird things happen and the last thing I need in a pinch is a bad cut on top of whatever problem I'm trying to fix.
 
WValtakis said:
Or in a less than ideal situation trying to get home...weird things happen and the last thing I need in a pinch is a bad cut on top of whatever problem I'm trying to fix.
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Yeah, I would agree that liner locks are less safe than frame locks if grip strength is included in the strength equations.
 
marcus52AR said:
Yeah, I would agree that liner locks are less safe than frame locks if grip strength is included in the strength equations.
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OTOH, linerlock is steel, which is less flex than titanium. Also, the liner is almost always fully engaged with the blade tang, as opposed to framelick where the lockbar is almost always partially engaged. These two factors seem to support that linerlock is less subject to lockslip.

I do agree the hand grip enforcing the lock is a unique feature of framelock.
 
So...I have my F95T with me and I tried the two hand pressure to close in all three lock positions...no budging at all. I also tried the spine wack test on a hardcover, almost too hard for my liking :/ ...nothing. Rock solid. Im happy to report that i will be keeping and continue using my f95T. :) I have even more confidence in it.
To be fair, lockup on my 95T is about 40% of the insert when lightly flipped open. So this definitely doesnt have early ridiculous lockup.
When i have my F95NL in hand i will try with that one too.
Just remember...this is a test done on my personal 95T so i can only be 100% on no lockslip on this particular Shirogorov.
This is actually the first time ive read anything saying they have lockslip. Could be more claims around, i just havent seen them.
 
Shirogorov lock geometry seems very straight and not radius or angled like some others.

I think certain geometry makes for a good slip point to dislodge the frame/liner lock if reverse shock is applied.

That could be what they have the travel stop to prevent the lock from going too deep with the shallow angles.
 
marcus52AR said:
Shirogorov lock geometry seems very straight and not radius or angled like some others.

I think certain geometry makes for a good slip point to dislodge the frame/liner lock if reverse shock is applied.

That could be what they have the travel stop to prevent the lock from going too deep with the shallow angles.
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Could very well be. Im sure if i put even more pressure on it, I could make it fail or flex. But we are talking fixed blade type pressure. I saw no lockbar flex when i did the two hand pressure test...and I was pushing pretty hard...made me a little nervous. I was thinking...”should i be using a chainmail glove?” Lol. Ive heard horror stories!
 
This is my favorite thread in a long time!

I will say that one of my Shiros, the F3R, locks up early and when I first got it I did tap the spine against my palm to reassure myself that it holds. The F3R has become my hard use folder and lockup has never been an issue with it. For those who don't know, the F3R is titanium liner lock. On Shiros that are framelocks I have noticed that the lockbar will move over the presentation side after heavy use but was firmly locked to begin with. This is also the case on my Sebenza and Emerson Mini A100.

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Markisbear said:
I finally got my first chris reeves knife it's a tanto inkosi and because I cant work I cant get any more other knive so I have to live threw other people with knives or a collection
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You need to post a pic so we won't think you're lying ;)
 
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