Why don't chris reeve and mick strider do what hinderer does?

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The thing is... you came here, asking a question. You got multitudes of answers and you're arguing your point with them.
You asked why they don't do that. You got several answers as to why they don't.
If they thought it would benefit them, I'm sure they'd do it.
They don't think it will, so they don't.
It's simple really.
 
Which would you rather own? The collab will never come close to the real thing.
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hatchetjack said:
Which would you rather own? The collab will never come close to the real thing.
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Id like the real one, but id buy the buck strider first to see if i liked the over all design and use-ability of the blade shape and the ergos of the handles.
 
I have learned even more in this thread. Those unfortunate makers who have agreed to collabs have forced themselves into poverty. Now that the production versions exist, orders for the mid-tech and custom versions have dropped to zero as every single person on the planet who like the designs now buys the 'cheaper' production version exclusively.

In threads like this, where someone asks "Why doesn't group/person X do what group/person Y does", there are always these posts about "group/person X simply can't do that because it is illegal, defies the laws of physics, is financially untenable, is a stupid idea, destroys the moral fabric of our nation, makes puppies cry, etc." All the while, they completely ignore/forget that group/person Y is already doing it, doing it well, and will keep doing it.
 
hardheart said:
I have learned even more in this thread. Those unfortunate makers who have agreed to collabs have forced themselves into poverty. Now that the production versions exist, orders for the mid-tech and custom versions have dropped to zero as every single person on the planet who like the designs now buys the 'cheaper' production version exclusively.

In threads like this, where someone asks "Why doesn't group/person X do what group/person Y does", there are always these posts about "group/person X simply can't do that because it is illegal, defies the laws of physics, is financially untenable, is a stupid idea, destroys the moral fabric of our nation, makes puppies cry, etc." All the while, they completely ignore/forget that group/person Y is already doing it, doing it well, and will keep doing it.
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So it's trolling then.......
 
Making up reasons like "they're making enough money" or "they'll lose sales" isn't trolling, it's just making up reasons while not having any actual access to the parties and really not knowing the reasons. Asking the question to begin with also wasn't trolling.
 
hardheart said:
Making up reasons like "they're making enough money" or "they'll lose sales" isn't trolling, it's just making up reasons while not having any actual access to the parties and really not knowing the reasons. Asking the question to begin with also wasn't trolling.
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I just thought it was a good idea, and felt like it was something that could be done that wasn't being done and felt like sharing the thoughts on how and why it would or could be beneficial.
 
What works out for one maker may not work out for the other. Just because one person has success does not mean the other will as well. Likewise just because one person has failed does not mean that another won't succeed. The absence of inexpensive production versions of Reeve designs could be as simple as "naaaah I don't wanna." :D
 
It might be beneficial, it might not. There's no guarantee it would work or it would fail. Absolute adherence to either outcome is what causes the argument. It has worked for some, it has failed to capture the public for others.
 
If Chris and Mick read this and decide it's a good idea, they'll do it.
Up until now, they haven't really decided to do so.

I figure if they thought it would help them sell more knives they would do so.
But they seem to be doing fine with what they're doing.

They just have a lot of things to consider when doing collaborations and such, so they don't do them.

They may in the future, but until then, they'll do what they're doing and that's fine by a lot of people.
 
hardheart said:
I have learned even more in this thread. Those unfortunate makers who have agreed to collabs have forced themselves into poverty. Now that the production versions exist, orders for the mid-tech and custom versions have dropped to zero as every single person on the planet who like the designs now buys the 'cheaper' production version exclusively.

In threads like this, where someone asks "Why doesn't group/person X do what group/person Y does", there are always these posts about "group/person X simply can't do that because it is illegal, defies the laws of physics, is financially untenable, is a stupid idea, destroys the moral fabric of our nation, makes puppies cry, etc." All the while, they completely ignore/forget that group/person Y is already doing it, doing it well, and will keep doing it.
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And out of the mist, I hear a voice of reason rallying against the popular opinion. The truth is that they would simply prefer to go it alone because they think that is the best business model. Perhaps it is perceived as an issue of a possible loss of integrity, despite the proven fact of other reputable makers collaborating and doing exactly as SomeNewGuy said; opening a gateway to their high end knives that entices people to buy them. I do believe by presenting an awesome design with less intensive fit and finish, they allow someone to get a feel for their product that perhaps is forced to order online as I personally do. I don't have a lot of these knives within physical proximity and I believe that handling a lower quality version, specifically something like that Buck Strider, would make me want the best version. I still remember picking up that Buck, loving the feel and having no idea that it was a lower end clone of something much better. Even now it makes me want to shell out the cash for a Strider, lol. I see both sides of the argument, and of course everyone has their own choices to make, but a company like Spyderco or Benchmade could shave off a couple hundred for a cheaper product with NEAR perfect fit and finish. Unfortunately, CRK uses the same steel, so his fit and finish is what he's really riding on. I doubt he'll ever do a collaboration. If they want to be nitpicky, let them. While Rick and other amenable makers gain new fans by creating lower tier steps for people in "brick and mortar" shops to stumble upon.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
I just thought it was a good idea, and felt like it was something that could be done that wasn't being done and felt like sharing the thoughts on how and why it would or could be beneficial.
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CRK and Strider are industry leaders not only because they make great knives but because they know how the knife industry goes. They've been at this longer than you have. So I'm betting they know more about the knife business than you. If they're not doing something you think is good for them, you can bet that they don't think it's a good idea.

Oh, and before you trot out the "others have done it" argument, all business models are not the same.
 
BladeChick777 said:
If Chris and Mick read this and decide it's a good idea, they'll do it.
Up until now, they haven't really decided to do so.

I figure if they thought it would help them sell more knives they would do so.
But they seem to be doing fine with what they're doing.

They just have a lot of things to consider when doing collaborations and such, so they don't do them.

They may in the future, but until then, they'll do what they're doing and that's fine by a lot of people.
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Yea i guess your right, Someone will present them with a offer they will not be able to refuse and we will see something similar to what i was talking about. Or atleast thats what i think.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
Yea i guess your right, Someone will present them with a offer they will not be able to refuse and we will see something similar to what i was talking about. Or atleast thats what i think.
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I'm sure Don Corleone is drumming up an offer as we speak. Better yet, maybe you should approach them with this idea. Start working on a business model with all this free time and business sense you have. You have a fortune just waiting for you.
 
Both have done a few collabs, so there's no wondering on what they think is a good or bad idea. There's also no hidden fount of knowledge that makes all their decisions somehow the pinnacle. Lest we all forget, CRK had a tentative agreement with CRKT. Talk about knowing the knife industry and having a better idea than everyone else. Who woulda called that a bad idea, I think even the plebes could see that wasn't going to work.

Ron Lake and Michael Walker worked on a framelock made out of Zytel, with Schrade. Seriously, men are not infallible.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
Yea i guess your right, Someone will present them with a offer they will not be able to refuse and we will see something similar to what i was talking about. Or atleast thats what i think.
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hatchetjack said:
I'm sure Don Corleone is drumming up an offer as we speak. Better yet, maybe you should approach them with this idea. Start working on a business model with all this free time and business sense you have. You have a fortune just waiting for you.
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Especially with your level of intelligence. I've never seen a new member learn so quick :thumbup:

From this
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1003245-Steels-and-durability-for-normal-use
to where you are now. ;)
 
hatchetjack said:
I'm sure Don Corleone is drumming up an offer as we speak. Better yet, maybe you should approach them with this idea. Start working on a business model with all this free time and business sense you have. You have a fortune just waiting for you.
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Okay i never said that or acted like that but if you say so.
 
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