Why don't people keep their Hinderer knives?

IMO, both of the 3" and 3.5" are worth what Rick values them at...but not at the inflated prices that non-emergency personnel have to pay.
I had one of each, and sold them again. They are good folders; very heavy-duty capability as designed, far in excess of my casual carry needs.
I agree with gpo1956 above, with respect to my 3.5" Spanto model. The 3" slicer model functioned properly as expected.
 
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Great video Shane.. Thanks for that amigo.. :thumbup:

And what it comes down to is that you like the knives that you like, and try the one's you wanna try... Some you keep, some you sell, and some you buy more of... It's all up to you whether the knife has the value for the amount you paid. Based upon, that will be your factor in all this stuff.

I have had 11 XM's in my possession, and I have been able to carry and flip them all without any problems... Some have had better detents than others, but still have had no issues with carrying or flipping.
 
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I would be willing to try a 3" or 3.5" slicer, the others I sold (post #143) were just not a great 'fit' for me and the idea of losing (or having stolen from me) expensive knives is not a pleasant thought.
I wonder what I'll come back from Blade with, I have a thing for Pohl Force, perhaps I'll find a small Hinderer?
 
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chambelona59 said:
I would be willing to try a 3" or 3.5" slicer, the others I sold (post #143) were just not a great 'fit' for me and the idea of losing (or having stolen from me) expensive knives is not a pleasant thought.
I wonder what I'll come back from Blade with, I have a thing for Pohl Force, perhaps I'll find a small Hinderer?
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The 3.5" is too heavy for me, but a ZT version of the 3" is a grail knife as far as I'm concerned. I had a chance to inspect an 0566 the other day, by the way, and it's definitely a move in the right direction. I'd even settle for one if ZT made a lightweight version of it. But in its current configuration, it's nearly as heavy as a 3.5" XM-18. And that makes it a no-go as far as I'm concerned.

The real problem with the 3" XM-18 is that for guys like me who don't want to pay the secondary market premium, there is no licensed alternative available . . . at least not yet. And alternatives that are available aren't fit for discussion among polite forumites. From my perspective, the lack of a licensed 3" XM-18 variant is the chink in Rick's armor.

But alas, I digress. Digression doesn't seem to be an entirely unwarranted thing to do in this thread, however. :p
 
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I served 20 years in the Corps and I survived with my Buck 110, original Leatherman, issued KBAR & my Gerber TACII along with several slipjoints. Granted there were not many if any high end folding knives during my service, but had there been a knife such as a Hinderer I would have likely never paid for such. There is no argument about quality & desirability as the sales speak for themselves. My concern as a poor Marine would have been loss! Even at $385 I would be sick. As a retired Marine I rate no direct sales so a $600+ secondary price puts it off my radar. I have come close to trading for an HK, but since I got a perfect example of an SnG that cost me only a small Sebenza, I see no reason to trade $600-$700 worth of knives for an HK.

Many of us desire knives that consistently demand top dollar and have that "grail" moniker attached to them, but likewise many also realize that it's just steel and we like to keep the hunt going. I am a repeater of the same saying over & over.. Great knife at under $400, but simply not worth double. I am no business man, but if Strider can't keep up with demand @ $475 for a SnG CC then how many knives could Rick sell @ the same price? Oodles I would venture to say. So, is it an ego thing, dealer pact, lack of wanting to make more knives or what?
 
Best guess is Rick has developed a business model that works for him and he's happy with it. Believe me, if I could make a product for people I really cared about and license my designs to a high-end production company that makes them available to the masses as well as pays me a royalty for the rest of my life, I'd do it in a heartbeat! I really understand where Rick's coming from. Having said that, I don't like not being able to buy his originals for MSRP. But I get it.
 
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I really like the XM design and have considered purchasing one several times only to be held back by ridiculous dealer mark up, but I now have zero interest in owning a Hinderer. I don't know Rob, never heard of him before this thread, but his approach to a customer concern, valid or otherwise, should ward off any consumer, let alone those paying 200% suggested retail.

I don't qualify for any of his discounts anymore, refuse to have someone buy it for me who does, and I don't get out to any shows, so I'd think that would make me the average consumer. So even at table price, I would be extremely disappointed to pay $400 then be dismissed in an email regarding an issue I had with their product.

This thread has completely changed my opinion of RHK. Hinderers appear to have become a commodity bought and sold for profit or largely collected as a fashionable status symbol as evident by those willing to pay such mark up for exclusivity. And all along I thought they were just a really sweet knife. Disappointing.
 
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Hinderers appear to have become a commodity bought and sold for profit or largely collected as a fashionable status symbol as evident by those willing to pay such mark up for exclusivity. And all along I thought they were just a really sweet knife. Disappointing.
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What marketing and demand do has nothing to do with the quality of the knives. I've handled enough Hinderers to know that they're quality pieces. That's not the question. The question is whether they're worth the prices they command on the secondary market. And that's a question each of us has to answer for ourselves. For me, the opportunity cost of buying XMs on the secondary market just doesn't pencil out. Others may (and obviously do) feel differently. To each his own. And capitalism is. Nothing any of us say or do is ever going to change that. And I, for one, have better things to do with my time than tilt at windmills.
 
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straitr said:
I really like the XM design and have considered purchasing one several times only to be held back by ridiculous dealer mark up, but I now have zero interest in owning a Hinderer. I don't know Rob, never heard of him before this thread, but his approach to a customer concern, valid or otherwise, should ward off any consumer, let alone those paying 200% suggested retail.

I don't qualify for any of his discounts anymore, refuse to have someone buy it for me who does, and I don't get out to any shows, so I'd think that would make me the average consumer. So even at table price, I would be extremely disappointed to pay $400 then be dismissed in an email regarding an issue I had with their product.

This thread has completely changed my opinion of RHK. Hinderers appear to have become a commodity bought and sold for profit or largely collected as a fashionable status symbol as evident by those willing to pay such mark up for exclusivity. And all along I thought they were just a really sweet knife. Disappointing.
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Perhaps you should do a bit more research rather than rely on a single thread and a few disgruntled naysayers.
 
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What marketing and demand do has nothing to do with the quality of the knives. I've handled enough Hinderers to know that they're quality pieces. That's not the question. The question is whether they're worth the prices they command on the secondary market. And that's a question each of us has to answer for ourselves. For me, the opportunity cost just doesn't pencil out. Others may (and obviously do) feel differently. To each his own. And capitalism is. Nothing any of us say or do is ever going to change that. And I, for one, have better things to do with my time than tilt at windmills.
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I get it, and I agree on all accounts, just adding my view to the conversation.

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Perhaps you should do a bit more research rather than rely on a single thread and a few disgruntled naysayers.
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AZ

I have researched, plenty, and for several years. I didn't refer to, nor form any opinions based on any customer comments here, good or bad, but rather the company representatives response in this thread. It's all good, I'm sure they're amazing knives in and among themselves, but the current market drive coupled with a company attitude that I don't care for leaves me uninterested.
 
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I get it, and I agree on all accounts, just adding my view to the conversation.



AZ

I have researched, plenty, and for several years. I didn't refer to, nor form any opinions based on any customer comments here, good or bad, but rather the company representatives response in this thread. It's all good, I'm sure they're amazing knives in and among themselves, but the current market drive coupled with a company attitude that I don't care for leaves me uninterested.
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Well, you did write, "this thread has completely changed my opinion of RHK". No mention of previous research.
 
Well, I'm not going to try and change your opinion on the matter and I respect your choice & position. All I can say is my dealings with Rob & Rick have been pleasant and professional. Never seen anything to the contrary that was not brought to their doorstep first. A lot of people tie emotion into purchases, good, bad, or otherwise; it is what it is.
 
No worries, I appreciate your understanding, respect your position and others as well. Who knows, one day I may find myself in a position to purchase one for a price I feel is reasonable at the time, and I'll give it a try. I'm not perfect, so I don't expect it from others, and nobody can predict the future, let alone RHK. I'm not so closed minded as to think I cannot and will not have my mind changed sometime down the road. After all, it was changed in this thread. I still love the XM design, so I'll just have to be content with my 561 for a little bit longer.

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No worries, I appreciate your understanding, respect your position and others as well. Who knows, one day I may find myself in a position to purchase one for a price I feel is reasonable at the time, and I'll give it a try. I'm not perfect, so I don't expect it from others, and nobody can predict the future, let alone RHK. I'm not so closed minded as to think I cannot and will not have my mind changed sometime down the road. After all, it was changed in this thread. I still love the XM design, so I'll just have to be content with my 561 for a little bit longer.

Thanks
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Right. And heaven knows there's nothing wrong with a 561. If I could carry one, I'd own one. But it's just too big for me. Fortunately, ZT decided to make the 0770CF. That knife solved a lot of problems for me and I'm really happy with it, but it's not a Hinderer design. And a lightweight (less than 4 ounces) version of the 3" XM-18 is what I really want ZT to build. If they do that, I wouldn't care if I ever bought an original. ZT quality (and pricing) is good enough for me. :)
 
Actually, you know what? I've changed my mind too. RHK sucks. Nobody buy their products!

(more for me)
 
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