Why don't people keep their Hinderer knives?

So many are for sale bc people want to make money! I was fortunate to get all mine direct. I definitely feel they are worth the direct price but I dont feel they are worth the secondary prices! They are well made, folders that do stand up to hard use but there are many other knives for less money that will perform the same! Like the ZT Hinderer collabs are just like the XM's IMO! They even have better steels!! For a fraction of the cost! I agree with one of the posters that they were worth every bit the money when they were "custom" knives that were hand ground! Now they are no different than your Spydies and Benchmades imo! I still feel Chris Reeves offers some of the finest knives for the money!! Cant go wrong with a Strider either!!
 
goldie said:
Ill tell you one thing; a hinderer is a bargain compared to a shirogorov. that knife was 400-500 a little over a year ago,now its triple,except for some "bargains" on the exchange for 800 which still isn't worth it. I had one at 400.00 it was worth that price,but no way its a 1200.00 knife,and anyone who is spending that kind of money for one is fooling themselves if they think they are getting their moneys worth.It seems people have been going nuts in the last year or so buying el patrons,curtiss similar overpriced knives.the hinderer seems like it was the 1st of this trend...
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Good post. I think you make a valid point, but consider this: is any all-titanium flipper worth $1200? Look at GTC, Jim Burke, and others. What makes a $1200 knife worth that price?

I say it's the little details. Gus Cecchini adds little details here and there, and they flip beautifully. But they now sell for at least $1250 for a base model with no inlays. Would I buy one at that price? Yes.

Having looked at Shirogorovs lately, I am becoming a fan. I say if you want one, you should spend the $1200 because it's just going to increase. Look at Direware. Those knives look enormous- I couldn't imagine carrying one. Yet they sell and sell. I don't get it, but they are unique in design.

El patron and curtiss F3? I passed on both. They just don't do anything for me.
 
RamZar said:
Here's the part I don't quite capice! ZT will be producing better quality XM-18 3.5" folders with much better KVT flipper actions and at least similar quality... Added to include better steel, reverse frame scales and a street price of $240!!!
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I dont quite think they will be better quality, but they wont be significantly far apart either and the zt is a way better value. Hinderers are cool and I would love to have an xm-24, but no way im paying the $600+ price, its not that good for that amount of money. I love big tough folders and I always have even before I was a knife nut, but im getting
kinda tired of how ridiculous this hype for them is getting, its like every company HAS to make them and then people go crazy for them. It seems to create a mindset for some people that if its not overbuilt, then its not enough which of course is not true. Despite all this I still love the overbuilt knives cause they are cool and fun and I know I can beat up on them without a second thought, but I try to avoid the hype. I wonder what the next market dominating trend will be, maybe a lightsaber knife or one thats invisible.
 
TheChunk91 said:
I dont quite think they will be better quality, but they wont be significantly far apart either and the zt is a way better value. Hinderers are cool and I would love to have an xm-24, but no way im paying the $600+ price, its not that good for that amount of money. I love big tough folders and I always have even before I was a knife nut, but im getting
kinda tired of how ridiculous this hype for them is getting, its like every company HAS to make them and then people go crazy for them. It seems to create a mindset for some people that if its not overbuilt, then its not enough which of course is not true. Despite all this I still love the overbuilt knives cause they are cool and fun and I know I can beat up on them without a second thought, but I try to avoid the hype. I wonder what the next market dominating trend will be, maybe a lightsaber knife or one thats invisible.
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Regardless of the hype, companies need to follow the trend and provide consumers things that they will buy or they risk losing their business and closing their doors. If people want folding knives that can pry the door off a dump truck, then so be it. I don't see the purpose in trying to join in or all together avoid the hype. Just buy what you like, and pass on the things you don't.
 
trakker45 said:
Good post. I think you make a valid point, but consider this: is any all-titanium flipper worth $1200? Look at GTC, Jim Burke, and others. What makes a $1200 knife worth that price?

I say it's the little details. Gus Cecchini adds little details here and there, and they flip beautifully. But they now sell for at least $1250 for a base model with no inlays. Would I buy one at that price? Yes.

Having looked at Shirogorovs lately, I am becoming a fan. I say if you want one, you should spend the $1200 because it's just going to increase. Look at Direware. Those knives look enormous- I couldn't imagine carrying one. Yet they sell and sell. I don't get it, but they are unique in design.

El patron and curtiss F3? I passed on both. They just don't do anything for me.
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Shirogorovs are not even in the same class of knife as a GTC.
 
I feel like the same knives get passed around multiple times and the only new ones are people who got them for MSRP and flipping them. Most of the descriptions say they bought them right here on BFC from someone.

People buy and sell them willy nilly because they hold their value (for the most part). Just like CRK. There are Sebenzas for sale every day as well. It's because people who want to try them out know they can buy them slightly used or new, try them out and then sell them without taking a huge loss.

Some knives that you don't see come up very often don't come up because people are afraid to lose a ton of money on them. Hogue makes a fantastic knife but their resale value is crap because a lot of people feel they are over priced new. Buy a new Hogue for ~$180, use it a bit and sell it for $120. That $60 loss is probably MORE than what you would lose buying and selling a CRK or Hinderer and those knives are at least twice as expensive initially.
 
trakker45 said:
What makes a $1200 knife worth that price?
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For starters, people actually pay that price to get the knife ;) "worth" is relative to the individual consumer, so if knives are selling for $1200 then they must be worth that much to enough people to keep makers in business.
 
I had a 3" XM and thought it was a wonderful knife and comparable to my CRK's in overall quality. Ultimately I sold it because I didn't like the fact that when you choke up on the "choil" your finger was directly in contact with the corner of the blade edge. It seemed like a wonky design to me. That being said, I really liked it and will eventually have one again some day.

The oddity that always makes me curious regarding the XM's that pop up on the exchange are the select few folks who always seem to have an endless supply of XM's for sale. Nothing wrong with that at all, but I always wonder if they are LEO/EMT etc and are throwing RHK's policy out the window of buying just to sell. Or, if they are paying retail and just enjoy flipping them. In the end, it doesn't affect me at all, but is just an interesting thing to note.
 
I know when I first started getting into knives Hinderer was the big name knife to have so I snagged all that I could. Fast forward 5 years later I've learned a lot about what I like in knives, and the other production companies have really stepped up to the plate with some great designs, and collaborations. Still a fan of them just not at secondary prices anymore.
 
Well here it goes... To each there own is the saying in all hobbies and life. You have collectors and you have users, as well as people that do both. So with that being said we all know what supply and demand is... The demand is higher than the supply with Hinderers. He is not making anymore money because the demand is higher, his shop can only crank out so many knives. The more knives the more money. Makes sense. Rick doesn't make any more money because of secondary prices.

A knife is a tool that cuts things. Most of us could pass with a sharpened piece of steel that isn't fancy or cool looking. But that's what makes it fun! To have knives that appeal to you and work for you. Everyone is different...
And to say that the ZT is the same or better, that's all opinion that deals with certain factors. Like money, steel, flipper, non flipper, ect... I have owned the ZT 560 and 561, they are great knives but the XM is on a whole different level. That is my experience. The ZT's are great knives and I'm sure they will do everything you ask it too. But I prefer what Hinderer has to offer me. I've owned Curtiss, Emerson, ZT, Kershaw, CRK, Strider, Spyderco, and many others. I have just found that I like and appreciate the Hinderers most. Doesn't mean everyone else should or have too...

People buy and sell knives to try them out, make money, support the hobby, upgrade to other knives of the same maker or different maker, finances, sometimes you sell a knife that you regret selling, cause you found out that you appreciated it more experiencing others.

The same stuff goes on with regular production knives from Spyderco, ZT and so on... They get sold for more... That's part of life supply and demand.... If you want to try one out do it. If not then don't. I own and use all my XM's daily, do I need to spend that much on a knife no... But I choose too and it makes me happy. Not because it's cool or whatever you want to say about it. I research and choose carefully everything that I buy with the intent that I am going to have good customer service and not have to worry about it.

bpeezer said:
For starters, people actually pay that price to get the knife ;) "worth" is relative to the individual consumer, so if knives are selling for $1200 then they must be worth that much to enough people to keep makers in business.
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And bpeezer says this greatly....
 
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MrPocketsOfSteel said:
Great Post. I made the awful mistake in sharing my take on my knives and what I carry with an *acquaintance*.

He works in that "Special Rick Knife Group". I should've never uttered a peep. What I shared with these two fellas (in my mind) was in the hope that it may either save their life or one of their friends.

I also hoped that I may at least get to handle one seeings how they carried *Absolute Junk*. To make a long story short I opened up a Cash Cow Firefighter and 2 EMT Pipeline.

Six knives from two different stations and an EMT " clubhouse" for lack of a better word. Not one of those guys owns a Hinderer knife as of three months ago. I was also told from a Very Reliable Source that my Stupidly Shared Information was then shared with other buddies in "the Kewl Kids Klub" in another state and another station etc. Now.....I know I am not the only one that did that. What Life Lesson did I learn from that? To Never Tell ANYONE that does Any Type of Work that helps people <---- isn't that sad?!?! about a tool that could maybe help them out or save their life or a loved one.

That is terrible what I typed. But It Is The Truth and I would more than likely feel sick if I knew the actual amount of money that was pilfered because of what I shared. Would I carry me a Kewl Kids Klub Knife? Never in a million years and it isn't sour grapes though one may think that. To actually see and know how that all went down gives me a bad bad feeling when it comes to "those knives". I am done. :-) Now I'll receive that " special notification thingey". Ha!
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I don't have a clue what any of that means.

Could you translate that into something that makes sense?
 
ToxicBot11 said:
I don't have a clue what any of that means.

Could you translate that into something that makes sense?
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He told some first responder type people about being able to score Hinderers at the direct price hoping it would inspire them to carry quality knives but instead they turned it into a money making operation and got all of there boys in on it too. He regrets telling them about it.
 
Scurvy092 said:
He told some first responder type people about being able to score Hinderers at the direct price hoping it would inspire them to carry quality knives but instead they turned it into a money making operation and got all of there boys in on it too. He regrets telling them about it.
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Damn, that was the most lucid run-on sentence I've read in quite a while. Thanks for the translation, Scurvy!
 
Scurvy092 said:
He told some first responder type people about being able to score Hinderers at the direct price hoping it would inspire them to carry quality knives but instead they turned it into a money making operation and got all of there boys in on it too. He regrets telling them about it.
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OK, now that makes sense:cool:
 
bpeezer said:
For starters, people actually pay that price to get the knife ;) "worth" is relative to the individual consumer, so if knives are selling for $1200 then they must be worth that much to enough people to keep makers in business.
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Exactly. So if Shirogorovs are selling for $1200, then there must be some quality there (in the eyes of some consumers).
 
Scurvy092 said:
Shirogorovs are not even in the same class of knife as a GTC.
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As I own a GTC, I suspect you are correct. But I do have a shirogorov 95 on the way. And yes, I paid far less for the GTC, which I ordered from Gus and waited 2+ years for. But that's how it goes with custom knives. If you order/buy late, then you end up paying more.

As people pay more for Hinderers, it appears that more of those knives end up on the exchange/knifeology, etc.
 
I bought one to try it out. I really liked it, but the design of the knife worried me a little. I guess I'm just not that comfortable with a blade that will open with just a little flick of the wrist. I want a knife that will open only when I want it to. I know I'll be called out for "user error", but it's a knife, not a cocked and locked 1911. If the detent was a little stronger, I would have been all over it. I realize that's the way the knife is designed, I just didn't think it was for me.
 
And the reason you're seeing more for sale is that there are more produced this year than any of the previous years. Making the more widely available to everyone.
Not only because people are just selling em off...
 
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