Why I rejected a envelope.. How not to ship a Busse TGLB...

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I am the one who rejected USMC0621's package, or should I say a torn up, open and empty Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope.

Backround Info...
USMC0621 posted a ad in the exchange on Friday (9-11-14) for a new Busse TGLB comp finish with Tequila Sunrise handles for $500.
So I emailed him to please send me a invoice, and I paid as soon as I got it.
I sent him a email to please email me the tracking # when he has it, and he did.

Fast foward to 9-16-14 (Tuesday). I was handed by the mail lady (at the mail truck) this Envelope. (I took out both of our addresses on the picture's)

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Note.. The last photo is stamped on september 9-14-14 (Sunday) with the quote "Recieved unsealed and/or without contents at GMF, N. Reading, Ma 01889", and has a number to call 1-800-ask-usps.
The knife was gone 2 days before it even reached my state. I asked the mail lady her thoughts and she said the last major sorting facility, it would probably be there because they just throw envelopes and packages around.
Which would be in the City of Industry, CA.

My immediate thought was I am being scammed. Nobody would send a $500 Busse TGLB in a envelope with no insurance and no signature confirmation.
So I rejected the torn up empty envelope, never taking possession of it. I called Paypal and talked to the agent about the situation, and filed a claim.

So USMC0621 starts a thread. I found this out yesterday, and it is locked now. So I decided to start a new thread.
I will answer a few question's from that thread.

1. USMC0621 Quote "Well since he hasnt answered my pm it makes me you wonder you know" I did answer him, We are 3 hours apart in time difference. Here is a quote
"I did not receive the new Busse TGLB Tequila Sunrise knife, and refused to except a open and empty Priority Mail Envelope from the mail lady"

2. USMC0621 called that "a heavily taped package". Which it is not clearly by the picture's provided, it's a priority mail envelope with 3 piece's of tape.

I dont want to bash USMC0621 at all, just get my side of what happened out there.
As some ppl were labeling me as a scammer, and to put my address out. Essentially I was already guilty because I Rejected a Empty package.
It's a bad situation. I asked the mail lady what to do in this situation, and she said call the 1-800-ASK-USPS number and start a investigation as to where it is.
So I emailed him that number this morning.

Moral of the story.
Do not send large Busse knives in Envelopes, always get insurance and always get a signature confirmation.
Also, deal with Paypal Confirmed members.

BTW.. Best of luck USMC0621, I hope USPS locates that TGLB for you....


...Update... I just want to tell everybody that I got the $500 refund back from Paypal.

This is just a bad situation. He's out $500, I was being labeled as a scammer and for what.
To save a few bucks on Insurance and a Signature Confirmation.

I do hope USPS can locate that TGLB, because that is a major hit.

All the best to everybody..
 
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Sorry to hear guys -- I'm sure you'll both be respectful gentlemen about this unfortunate situation. Hope everything works out for you both.
 
Absolutely NOT how to ship a Busse. That is a perfect example of a rookie mistake.

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We have dozens of posts, threads, articles, suggestions, and members willing to help. There is no excuse to ship a knife like that.
 
There's no excuse for this. If you're going to ship priority mail the post office will provide you boxes to ship in.
 
that really sucks! I agree on never shipping any knife like that. those envelope packages suck. and on a 500 dollar knife no question you need insurance. very sorry for both parties involved.
 
Allow me to introduce the box; a marvel in packaging technology capable of containing the most beastly of blades - even Busses...


Here is a picture of a sloth in a box for illustrative purposes:

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Seriously though, even low dollar knives should be wrapped & shipped in a box to help ensure safe arrival. :thumbup:
 
I can share my close call with much the same scenario.

I had a AK-47 (BUSSE) shipped back to me, and it wasn't done quit right. I was lucky enough that the Postal Inspector at the branch (I think that was his title) drove it to my house in his personal vehicle and said, "We are not required to touch this package once the sharp point was protruding from it".

I looked at the tube, and the dang thing was stuck out of the end by a good three or four inches, naked blade exposed.

If that knife was sticking out of the package, they don't have to touch it. They don't have to deliver it. You had an inappropriate dangerous good sent to you, and they are under no obligation to give it to you once it is "out of the box".

-Ron
 
Here's how a hard-use folder that could probably survive a nuclear blast arrived to me today from MasterPisaster. Shipped Priority, insured sig confirmation. It's not rocket surgery, folks. Use your damn heads when you're shipping a valuable knife. I hope it works out for you, bro.

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Wow. There's no excuse for shipping the knife like that. The Seller is Totally Responsible and you deserve a full refund.

I'm glad I didn't comment in the other thread.

Not his fault or mine. Someone decided to steal it because they don't fall out from a heavily taped package.
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Sellers Fault- the packing wasn't adequate or appropriate.
 
Now this all makes sense.

Of course I am not you and these comments represent my opinion only so bare with me. I, in your shoes, would have not filed with Paypal until after I talked with USMC. I presume he is a reasonable person and once confronted with the facts would have refunded your money immediately. I do not see any other option for USMC unless he has an exact duplicate Busse and can ship it correctlythis time.

No knife over $150 should be sent without insurance, and signature confirmation. No knife, unless some POS sub $10 should ever be sent in an envelope, no matter how padded they seem. I remember Esav one time explaining how rough some of the machinery used by the USPS is. Use a box, it will save you from this............................
 
HARDTYMEZ said:
Do not send KNIVES in Envelopes, always get insurance and always get a signature confirmation.
Also, deal with Paypal Confirmed members.
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Fixed this...It's not just Busse..ANY knives..Also do not leave any indicator of what is in any package that you ship. A plain brown box or generic box is perfect. I ship stuff in envelopes..but I also don't have alot of money into the contents.
Pack it like your life depends on it getting to it's destination intact.
 
The whole situation makes a whole lot more sense to be honest.
Thanks for the clarification and update.

Envelope... for a FIXED blade... That's just begging for the machinery to tear the package apart.
 
Having read this thread and the original thread that rycen made available to us all, it is clear that the only misstep here was by USMC (Semper Fi....BTW). All that needs to said here is that all other comments about using an envelope certainly apply, which is why you never answered other's questions about using an envelope in your initail thread and then closing it down....IMHO. As to being 'heavily taped' (like it really would have mattered given the container was simply an everyday envelope)...........our definitions certainly don't match up.

As for those that so quickly went to 'scammer' mode (who not so surprisingly haven't commented in this thread), my belief is that a few apologies are in order. The buyer did nothing illegal, much less inappropriate. Filing a PP claim before notifying the seller may not be what some of us would do, but it is his right to do so and that is what he did.

The buyer's first post told the entire, rather unexceptional story. It included all the necessary contents to draw an informed opinion as to how this entire transaction and subsequent shipping fiasco ocurred (less the place and culprits responsible). That, however, now becomes the seller's homework, which likely would never have happened had he chosen the suggestion made by the two mods above and plenty of other BF members.

I wish and expect that the buyer is made whole and I also hope that my fellow 'jarhead' will find the answers that he is seeking in regards to 'who dun it ?' and is somehow reimbursed, as well.

The 'implications' made by several members here (the OP certainly being no less culpable) should be addressed and of all the parties involved, such an effort and attempt would certainly be the least time consuming, but likely would serve to be the most rewarding and beneficial response of all. It should be no different from what we should expect from one family member to another............as most here keep correctly and steadfastly reminding us.

Good luck to both the buyer and seller.
 
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And now we have "the rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to say.
Yet another example of how to keep an open mind and get all the facts that you can, before calling people scammers.
With more facts AND pictures, this story has now come about full circle. The buyer is obviously not at fault and the seller now looks ......not too good.
Those of you who were calling the buyer a scammer hopefully have learned a lesson....and owe the buyer an apology. We'll see if any will do it. This mob mentality around here bothers me at times.
 
I thought it strange the shipper would not answer the question if he sent it in an envelope and closed his thread when pressed for clarification.

Envelopes are for letters not big ass knives.
 
A Busse in an envelope? Wow...

Not much else to say. Hope everything gets sorted out, but not by the machinery at the PO.
 
I was one of the guys who assumed you were a scammer. I apologize for being so quick to judge and jump to conclusions.

AVigil said:
I thought it strange the shipper would not answer the question if he sent it in an envelope and closed his thread when pressed for clarification.

Envelopes are for letters not big ass knives.
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Yes, I agree. As soon as the OP closed his thread I immediately realized that the problem was the fact that he sent it in an envelope. The fact that he ignored the question and then closed his thread made me very angry and really speaks as to what kind of person he is. What kind of mentally retarded moron sends a huge $400 fixed blade in an envelope? You have to be a special kind of stupid to do that. By the way he was typing and spelling in his thread I am actually not surprised though.

Again I apologize for labeling you as a scammer. The problem here is the seller. He is at fault 100% and I am now glad that paypal will take away his money and refund you.
 
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