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Why is it ok? (actions of particular moderators)

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  1. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    This was in the sword forum

    Should mods be doing this


     
  2. Karda

    Karda Banned BANNED

    Jun 1, 2007
     
  3. prsfx

    prsfx

    132
    Sep 14, 2012
    Not in those exact words, but I ran into Karda the first day I joined Blade Forums. I too recieved an infraction for voicing information. After supplying evidence to back up my words, he continued to heckle me in the post. He made it clear to me then, and from posts after, when Karda is involved, there is no discussion...it's his way or the highway. I took my complaint to Spark and it sort of disipated from there.
     
  4. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    Karda, my point is that in crafting the section quoted above I was essentially addressing members who did not have the requisite status in order to indicate why they could not persist in taking certain liberties.

    Whether a super moderator who is also an interested party as a manufacturer or dealer should be able to promote outside of his own dedicated forum is something I can foresee problems arising from. (If there is anyone besides yourself in such a position I'm too tired at the moment to realize who it may be and apologize for in advance.)

    In my personal "opinion", I think it's fine to be partisan within the dedicated forum. However, outside of that dedicated forum it is also my opinion that a super moderator who has oversight over the forums in their entirety, should not even give a whiff of home cooking. A level playing field is paramount and too many questions of propriety can arise if a given discussion gives the appearance of "self interest".

    Spark's call but that's my honest take.
     
  5. Kohai999

    Kohai999 Second Degree Cutter Platinum Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    If you cannot take a spirited critique, there are other places for you to post. My initial response was a bit abbreviated and childish, but it was honest....that knife was real ugly...ain't no way around it. I didn't post my initial writing because it was also honest, but damned mean, so I considered it and pared it down. I write Karda, I get paid to do it, so you may not like my art, or Les Robertson's art, but he gets paid to do it as well.

    What is my agenda? You know my agenda is the promotion of custom knives in totality, not one specific maker or even a group of them. What is your agenda? You promote HI knives....and you should stick to doing that, because you are good at it...in the appropriate places.

    Best Regards,

    STeven Garsson
     
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  6. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Pretty good take IMHO :)
     
  7. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    I used to purchase HI products but after being harassed by a HI moderator I refuse to do so. I even refrain from posting there anymore.
     
  8. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    Don't forget, STeven, that Gus and I moderated the Custom Forum for a few years before we became kinder, gentler souls in our old age and passed the baton.
    (Okay, kinder and gentler may be a stretch in my case.)
     
  9. Kohai999

    Kohai999 Second Degree Cutter Platinum Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    Yeah, Joe...I have a WWII, two nice Biltongs, a YCS, a beautiful Kothimoda, a BAS, and a Villager...been wanting a couple more but for the last year or so I just can't do it. Great products, Bill(RIP) and Yangdu were and are always awesome....but no the knives have been spoiled for me as well. Karda told me I didn't know what I was doing with Khuk's in our last PM go 'round, so I must indeed have no clue.

    I do remember Elliott, and it was a bit before my time...but have been told that it was contentious at points before I got there, and also remember that Randy Morgan and Darby did a really good job, and we all had fun, and there was a lot more participation when I first started. While some members justifiably are intimidated to post in Customs, there are also a lot of makers and collectors that got turned off by a more "kumbaya" mentality which we all (not entirely willingly) seem to promote these days. I can only be me, but am also a "kinder and gentler" poster now than 9 years ago, and have explained why many times.

    I'm also sorry the way things went down when we last talked. You asked me not to contact you anymore, and I have respected that request.

    The implications and results of what I write are very clear and considered now, which is why I really resent Karda's trying to "Nanny State" us....it's WAY out of line...anyway, you asked for patience and time to let the dust settle, and will be done with this for now, see which way the wind blows, as long as not continually poked with a stick.

    Best Regards,

    STeven Garsson
     
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  10. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    Okay, on that note I'm gonna call it a night. I think I've pretty much answered what was asked and provided what info I could. The rest will be hashed out as we go forward.

    I'll bid you all a good night.
     
  11. pap11y

    pap11y

    Jul 4, 2012
    Hi Kohai,

    I also thought your post was a bit harsh. I have nothing against you but if you read it there is nothing constructive at all in the original post. I also thought it important it was shown in this thread (as it is quite relevant).

    -- Your post --

    Why, just why?

    I'm sure it handles very, very nice, and does it's job well, but it is exceedingly unappealing aesthetically....or....so ugly it's cute, but not really?

    Best Regards,

    STeven Garsson

    -- end your comments --

    While you did say later that you didn't like the forge marks with the satin as a lot of other people did, I thought your first comment wasn't helpful and was demeaning of his work.

    The written word can always be misconstrued and I don't want to get in the middle of your stoush with Karma.

    I have no ulterior motive and nothing against you. I have been guilty of writing posts I have then changed as at the time I responded quite abruptly without considering the implications of my words.
     
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  12. roughedges

    roughedges

    Oct 3, 2004
    I haven't been around much so maybe I'm confused by lack of back story or what not, but what exactly in STeven's post in that thread was so rude and harsh so as to etc. etc.? As if one man's opinion could harm a maker's business. C'mon now, that strikes me as exaggeration and, it seems to me, it rather obviously wasn't his post that caused any derailment.

    When I first joined here STeven was almost ruthless when he saw something he did not like; that post is tame by comparison. I don't think he is abrasive though. If anything, he has sharpened his tongue along with his knives and, in my opinion, any maker with skin more resilient than delicate lace could potentially refine his skills and grow his business by considering what he has to say. Seems more likely than his post derailing that thread, in any event.
     
  13. Karda

    Karda Banned BANNED

    Jun 1, 2007
    Perhaps if one cannot handle a critique of their critiquing it is better to consider your critiques more carefully or there are other places for them to be posted? It matters not that one gets paid to do a job, there are plenty of people in this world whom get paid to do jobs that they are less than qualified for. There are also plenty of people whom do not get paid for their efforts when they are qualified and can do the job honestly, considerately and without ego playing a part in it.
     
  14. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    I couldn't resist one more peek before shutting off the machine so I just saw your edit to the post above.

    I appreciate the words and as far as I'm concerned, no hard feelings remain. We just happen to approach things and express ourselves with different methods even if our appreciation of those very same things has much in common. No need for it to be a further source of conflict or any ill feelings.

    Now I really am shutting this infernal contraption off for the night. ;)
     
  15. 2knife

    2knife

    Mar 13, 2002
    Whoever is the moderator for the custom/handmade section should be someone who is actively involved, or at least interested,, not someone that is disengaged, absent.


    I find this statement suspect. Given the fact that Karda posted in only one thread (see below) in the custom/handmade section, and none other in the search history. i wonder, Why this thread? , except that there is a business interest connection, as mentioned. So, as i read it, it wasnt truly acting as a "regular member" posting comments in the thread, besides how is this possible when handing out infractions and warnings. Three or four of us were told to clam up.

    This is Karda's other singular post in custom/handmade:
    (Snody knives thread)

    "10-31-2012, 12:49 AM #26 Karda
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    This is just wonderful.
    As usual this little corner of the forum again generates more drama than it deserves.
    It's also unfortunate that this forum hasnt gained any wisdom from the past, i had thought that we here had grown past the attitudes that so far has done this forum and custom knifemaking no favors.

    Since this topic is so far off it's original mark and has turned into exercise in futility.
    Thread closed.

    Last edited by Karda; 11-01-12"

    My question stands, why not have someone in this position that is more involved in the subforum? Wouldnt it be better to have an active participant? Karda is absent by choice.. if not disdains it.
    David
     
  16. RogerP

    RogerP Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 28, 2002
    For what it's worth, I have been a long time member of this forum and frequent contributor to the custom knife subforum. I have also been the victim of Karda stalking / taunting / bullying. Bottom line, my clear impression is that he is the type of guy who likes to wear a badge just so he can push other people around. He stands in very sharp relief against the otherwise excellent moderation of this site.
     
  17. til027

    til027

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    Sep 14, 2012
    If this person isn't able to do his job professionally, Why may I ask is he a Super-mod(I believe this is a position of power is it not?). However although I may be new to this forum, it seems you are all just ganging up on him, why not let the person in-charge of these matters handle it? Instead of publicly bashing a Moderator. To be honest it looks like Karda has just become bored with his job, so he is taking it out on some players, its not an uncommon thing to happen in any situation on any forum.
     
  18. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    By way of keeping all parties up to date...I just got off the phone with Spark and he has been apprised of the salient issues brought up in this thread as well as the carryover effect from other threads.

    He understands the matters which need to be addressed and is taking the appropriate steps to do so.

    I feel confident that an amicable resolution will be forthcoming.
     
  19. Kohai999

    Kohai999 Second Degree Cutter Platinum Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    I appreciate that, Elliott....both your involvement and also your communication as to what is happening. I am confident that a viable resolution will be forthcoming as well. We are all adults here, and there is no reason that the situation cannot be resolved, even if it means that individual parties are not happy with the resolution, and I include myself as someone who may not have personal satisfaction. That's life.

    Best Regards,

    STeven Garsson
     
  20. knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Jul 30, 2006
    Looks to me like you got a warning for insulting another member, not for "voicing information". Here is your post for which you received your one and only infraction:

     
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