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And I am also sure that all those limited edition Protechs and Damascus Infidels are bought by LEO and military personnel...
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Why is Spyderco so paranoid about automatic knives?
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And I am also sure that all those limited edition Protechs and Damascus Infidels are bought by LEO and military personnel...
The law is a bad one for sure. I would love to see it repealled. The issue is at this point in time it is in fact the law. Buck had an issue in the mid 1970s with their famous model 110 as they were considered the "biker" knife of choice, and the feds had threaten to take action against Buck if they did not modify the knife so that it could not easily be flicked open. They did make adjustments and in the Buck timeline this was called the "anti gravity knife change".
In NY, you can buy almost any folder and some gun stores sell autos to LEOs only ( or anybody else they deem trust worthy which is illegal). If you buy a smooth opening Kershaw Storm at Walmart in NY and are stopped a block away with it in your pocket you will most likely be arrested and charged with a gravity knife.
I wish the makers/ sellers would try harder to get these badly written laws changed, but until they do the end users will be at peril of violateing a law they may not know existed. Just because you don't agree with the law does not mean it does not apply to you.
In NY, you can buy almost any folder and some gun stores sell autos to LEOs only ( or anybody else they deem trust worthy which is illegal). If you buy a smooth opening Kershaw Storm at Walmart in NY and are stopped a block away with it in your pocket you will most likely be arrested and charged with a gravity knife.
I wish the makers/ sellers would try harder to get these badly written laws changed, but until they do the end users will be at peril of violateing a law they may not know existed. Just because you don't agree with the law does not mean it does not apply to you.
Yeah that's why I mentioned that Spyderco is a privately owned forum. You left that part out of my post.:grumpy: I'll say whatever I want, where ever I want. If I'm excused from a forum or a place of business so be it. I don't have a CCW (even though my state allows for CCW) and I don't run around carrying my handgun concealed. That would mean I'm just looking for trouble. I do carry automatic folders where ever I travel in the country and many places overseas. They're tools purchased because I liked the looks not because they open with the push of a button. I find they are no different to use then the Spyderco Delica I sometimes carry.
One thing we might all agree upon is that the laws suppressing the use/carry of automatic knives makes no sense at all.
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People that carry concealed handguns lawfully are looking to stay out of trouble and maybe save their life or a innocent victim's life. There's a reason it's allowed by law, that reason plainly is not so people can go looking for "trouble". Those types that look for trouble are not worried about being law abiding.
I'm talking about carrying concealed without a CCW. If you carry without a CCW you ARE looking for trouble. Guns have only 1 purpose. Pocket knives don't.
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Not the mentality you want here.
So you prefer openly carrying a handgun to carrying it concealed? Why not just get a CCW?
I find auto's to not be standard tools. A lot of complex mechanics go into making an auto, and if I'm depending on my knife to always be there, no matter what, I'm not going to trust an auto.
I'll say it's stupid to stab someone with your $250 Ultratech just for the sake of saying you stabbed someone with an OTF knife.
Guns have multiple purposes. They may only be designed for one, just like knives, but they are used for multiple purposes.
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There's a problem generalizing about what and why people are doing what they do.
They are all individuals and have different reasons.
They are all individuals and have different reasons.
Guns have only 1 purpose. Period.
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Only true if you define the purpose as launching a projectile with velocity, and that's like saying a knife only has one purpose and that is to cut.
Off the top of my head, guns serve at least these purposes:
1. hunting
2. self-defense
3. recreation
4. sport
5. waging war
6. ceremonial
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By the same token knives only have one purpose. To separate matter.
Just speaking from practical experience here, not legal expertise:
The way this is handled in terms of shipping is that the sellers put the burden on the buyers. Dealers who are concerned with the federal reg's simply require buyers to authorize a disclaimer saying that the buyer qualifies for the federal exemptions. That would be how 99.9% of us buy autos.
Arguing over whether the knife has *ever* crossed state lines seems like kind of a fine point to me. Seems like the issue is whether it crosses state lines in the course of one's own procurement. IOW... I live in OR. Autos are completely legal in my state, county and city, as long as they are not carried concealed. So presumably I could buy all the BM's I wanted from the factory or an in-state dealer, and that would be 100% kosher. The way I look at it, I could also buy all the MT's I wanted from in-state dealers. No in-state dealer has ever asked me for any identification of any sort.
Yes, technically it is illegal for me to buy autos from out of state dealers - whether they are shipped to me or I carry them home myself. I really think you'd have to be pretty uptight to worry about this at the personal consumer level, though. Certainly understand there being concerns at the corporate level, but not for a typical civilian in Kansas who wants to mail order an MT from TAD.
I mean, it's a federal infraction to swap your exhaust if the OE cat is in working order, even if the new exhaust passes DEQ. But only whacko states like CA get caught up in that... and a quick jaunt down I-5 reveals that even the Californians don't take this too seriously. I can drive around all over OR with no exhaust at all. As long as I stay out of the metro areas and dont make a fool of myself, no local/county/state cop is going to say squat and I can assure you that Im not going to be pulled over by the FBI. Lol.
I really think the Federal authorities have better things to do than bust a guy for buying one, or 5, or 10 knives with springs in them. Producing hundreds of thousands and distributing them to the Girl Scouts, yes - but not just picking one up on vacation.
The way this is handled in terms of shipping is that the sellers put the burden on the buyers. Dealers who are concerned with the federal reg's simply require buyers to authorize a disclaimer saying that the buyer qualifies for the federal exemptions. That would be how 99.9% of us buy autos.
Arguing over whether the knife has *ever* crossed state lines seems like kind of a fine point to me. Seems like the issue is whether it crosses state lines in the course of one's own procurement. IOW... I live in OR. Autos are completely legal in my state, county and city, as long as they are not carried concealed. So presumably I could buy all the BM's I wanted from the factory or an in-state dealer, and that would be 100% kosher. The way I look at it, I could also buy all the MT's I wanted from in-state dealers. No in-state dealer has ever asked me for any identification of any sort.
Yes, technically it is illegal for me to buy autos from out of state dealers - whether they are shipped to me or I carry them home myself. I really think you'd have to be pretty uptight to worry about this at the personal consumer level, though. Certainly understand there being concerns at the corporate level, but not for a typical civilian in Kansas who wants to mail order an MT from TAD.
I mean, it's a federal infraction to swap your exhaust if the OE cat is in working order, even if the new exhaust passes DEQ. But only whacko states like CA get caught up in that... and a quick jaunt down I-5 reveals that even the Californians don't take this too seriously. I can drive around all over OR with no exhaust at all. As long as I stay out of the metro areas and dont make a fool of myself, no local/county/state cop is going to say squat and I can assure you that Im not going to be pulled over by the FBI. Lol.
I really think the Federal authorities have better things to do than bust a guy for buying one, or 5, or 10 knives with springs in them. Producing hundreds of thousands and distributing them to the Girl Scouts, yes - but not just picking one up on vacation.
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Maybe, but my rectal integrity isn't worth being on the losing end of the test case.
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Target shooting. Hunting. Self defense. Art.
I will tell you that in my LEO experience in NY, there have been only a few cases of enforcement of the interstate commerce law, HOWEVER the Postal Inspectors and Customs have gone after several people for this. So DO NO import them or use the USPS to mail them as they DO care.....
if you ship autos via USPS you are just asking for trouble imho.
a state concealed carry permit doesnt always give you the right to carry autos, it varies, in TX it does not give you the right to carry autos or a lotta other weapons like batons, etc
autos are a "different" and do require some care and thought if ya want one, but they are cool and i was really happy when a fairy left a MT makora under my pillow a while back lol.
a state concealed carry permit doesnt always give you the right to carry autos, it varies, in TX it does not give you the right to carry autos or a lotta other weapons like batons, etc
autos are a "different" and do require some care and thought if ya want one, but they are cool and i was really happy when a fairy left a MT makora under my pillow a while back lol.
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To make holes.
WHAT they make holes in is quite a different matter though.
I own a number of guns, and they ain't for defense when out and about(as I can't carry them), and even at home it'd be quicker to grab the sword if it were an immediate situation(gun safes and all that jazz).
I use my guns for sport(I shoot PPC). Probably not the "only one purpose" you were thinking of, eh?
Oh, and collecting. Damn, that's TWO purposes.
Ah crap, better make it three, because they get used for hunting sometimes.
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Except is says automatically before it says inertia or gravity, and a wrist flick negates that to anyone with common sense. Balis do not open automatically or with gravity alone, neither do one hand-openers in general.
And how does a closed knife open by inertia? The inertia of a closed blade would keep it closed. It takes acceleration imparted by our muscles to get the blade to open, through thumbing it open or flicking it. That doesn't sound automatic at all.