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Shhh! Dude. You're going to get us in trouble again. You, too, Mr. Lombardo.
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Why Lynn Thompson Rules!
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Shhh! Dude. You're going to get us in trouble again. You, too, Mr. Lombardo.
Yes! I love it!
In a single post you expose this thread for the fraud that it is.
It's all because you don't like Lynn Thompson and/or Cold Steel, it doesn't have a damned thing to do with "dirty games" or anything else or you would spill the beans on all of them, wouldn't you?......
...... It just doesn't taste good...but it's also cool to see that you all just hate Thompson and that's what this is all about. So, keep bitching about him and protect the others as "SlamFire" challenged.
Wow. Just wow....
So the entire thread is a fraud? Okay, guess we'll all just ignore the valid points brought up by those who don't worship at the alter of LT. And the funny part is, I've stated before; on other threads that I like some of the designs that Mr. Thompson has created. I think they're great! I don't know the man on a personal level. So I can't really say I hate him.
I do hate his less-than-ethical business practices. For me, it really is about integrity and how the game is played. I'm not going to treat someone like garbage or put them on my ignore list if they want to spend their money on a ColdSteel product. I just choose to spend my hard-earned money elsewhere. Sal Glesser has shown that it's definitely possible to turn a profit in this Industry without making the game dirty. (Let's just say I have a few Spydercos in my collection).
Not every critic of LT hates him or wants to see him burn in Hell. For you to dismiss every criticism he's gotten as just a form of "bitching," really doesn't help the key points you're trying to make.
I'm familiar with your website, and have enjoyed the intelligent articles you have posted on there. Which is why I was so surprised by this rant.
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See, I'd love to buy a knife or two from Cold Steel, just to see if they're as well made as some say they are.
It's just that I find myself laughing so hard every time I load up the website and browse through the products, that I couldn't physically complete a transaction if I wanted to.
It's just that I find myself laughing so hard every time I load up the website and browse through the products, that I couldn't physically complete a transaction if I wanted to.
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Well, a guy strikes up a thread because he is a Lynn Thompson fan, even though it has a childish title, "Why Lynn Thompson Rules."
Well, some posts back I actually contributed and stated why I think CS has some value to me, personally.
But all of that is lost on the people that wish to condemn him and his company.
So, the thread was hijacked, why didn't the people who obviously hate Lynn Thompson just start a thread of their own and title it, "Why Lynn Thompson sucks!" I probably wouldn't have posted to it.
So, strictly speaking, the thread is a hijacked fraud, yeah. You see what a double-fraud it is when the real dirt starts to slink out from the shadows and is quickly swept back to it's little hiding place. Or...perhaps you didn't see that?
Yes, everyone hate Cold Steel, but protect the others.
This is a legitimate form of meaningful communication to you?
Perhaps others do worship Lynn. I know some people worship other knife personalities. I'm not one of them.
Perhaps any valid points should be taken to another thread instead of defecating on any POSITIVE thread that gets posted about Cold Steel.
I've met him, he's one of the most personable and nice-to-speak-with people in the business.
Which ones are we talking about? The rash about Lum which is never going to be proven and the person that chimed in on it hides the sins of others?
Or is it the blatant B.S. about Cold Steel "teaching criminals" through advertising that vests could be pentrated by edged weapons?
Or calling Mick Strider a felon? Or? What?
I'm glad.
I have a few as well. Sal Glesser, as I said before, is a gem. No argument.
It IS bitching! If you want to start a thread about how Cold Steel sucks, start one! Don't hijack someone else's thread with a bunch of distorted nonsense.
Monocrom,
Thanks for the compliment. I hope you continue to enjoy it in the future. The same intelligence you see is in this thread. The reason I became rather abrasive in the thread is partially because of my website, I have stuff on their that is Old School Cold Steel and the thought that someone would "ignore" me (software) because I own something is a pantload.
While I was a bit abrasive, this is more of a funny conversation to me. It is old hat on the internet to accuse someone you are disagreeing with of being very angry, in need of anger management...or they're "ranting."
Dude, I've been laughing through most of this thread. The behavior in this thread is the funniest stuff I have read since the Astronut tried to go kidnap her "rival" in a pair of NASA-Signature Series Pampers.
Now...I used to get pissed off at forums, but, come'on, it's a joke now. Places like Bladeforums are cool for an interesting exchange of information, sometimes it is a great medium, sometimes not so great. But when it comes to stuff like this thread? There is no use getting angry about this B.S.!
Part of the reason I used to get angry is because I expected things from people that I really admired and they didn't live up to my expectations either. Sabbatical. Come back - DON'T CARE!
You are to be commended for your ability to shine through the crap.
Really, the corrosion of your spirit is a testament to anyone with hope.
I don't need to ask Anthony anything about you, Don. Really, don't care!
You be you, I'll be me.
As far as highjacking this thread, is it not possible that the original poster is an asshat newbie troll completely deserving of having his thread crapped all over?
Feels good, man, real good!
(emoticons are cool)
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
You're right Thom - Sorry.
Wild Weasel, I read your post, and while you agree it's a sleazy way to do business, you don't care because the tide goes in and goes out or something.
I would have a hard time looking in the mirror if I was a knifemaker and I got my designs by getting another mfg's popular knife in front of me, make a few changes to it, and send it off to the knife factory in China to start production.
I guess you and I disagree on how a person ought to conduct himself.
I hereby pledge Thom I will not post here again. Really.
Wild Weasel, I read your post, and while you agree it's a sleazy way to do business, you don't care because the tide goes in and goes out or something.
I would have a hard time looking in the mirror if I was a knifemaker and I got my designs by getting another mfg's popular knife in front of me, make a few changes to it, and send it off to the knife factory in China to start production.
I guess you and I disagree on how a person ought to conduct himself.
I hereby pledge Thom I will not post here again. Really.
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You are to be commended for your ability to shine through the crap.
Hahahah!
Don't care.
Good! I don't care either! I don't care that you don't care.
Well, I don't recall asking anything different.
As far as highjacking this thread, is it not possible that the original poster is an asshat newbie troll completely deserving of having his thread crapped all over?
Re: Thread Hijack, is it not possible that everyone taking the potshots at Cold Steel/Lynn Thompson are equally ass-hatted, assclown OLD trolls deserving of having their own crap thrown back at them?
The troll accusation works BOTH ways, Steven, or has this reality eluded you thus far?
Feels good, man, real good!
Good, now that you're done playing with yourself and all, you can join the real world where you can "crap all over" makers and sellers that deserve it instead of Cold Steel which actually makes a damned good product and doesn't take orders they never intend on filling and a dozen other things touched on in this thread and let the rest take care of itself.
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Broos said:
I feel I should offer a friendly piece of advice here...
One of the dangers of over-simplifying is that people will often assume you're simple.
Me too.
Give up on the guessing and try listening sometime, you might find it enlightening.
The big difference between you and me, is that unlike yourself, I am fully aware of just how much dickery goes on in the world of business.
Putting it bluntly, if I bought knives only from makers/manufacturers who behaved as I believe they should behave, I probably wouldn't own any knives at all.
Likewise, if I applied that same high standard to everything else, as a sane and consistent person would, I probably wouldn't own a car, television, computer, microwave, house, gun, watch, or pretty much anything else!
But you see unlike so many here, my purchases, my posessions, my "effects" if you will, do not define me.
Just as buying a knife from a SEAL or Ranger does not make me a SEAL or Ranger, buying a knife from a "bad person" does not make me a bad person. In fact, their character, good or bad, is no reflection on me at all.
After all, when you bought your last car, how well did you know the Salesman? Is he a good person? Has he ever screwed anyone over? You don't know, do you? You didn't bother to try and find out. You didn't care!
How about the people on the assembly line? Were they all of sterling character?
What about the members of the car maker's Board of Directors?
Are THEY all of immaculate moral character?
Again, you don't know and you don't care. Because you don't apply the same standard as you do when you're talking about Lynn Thompson.
I don't know Lynn Thompson. I don't know if I'd like him or not. But I sure like some of his products, and when I plunk down my hard earned money, that's all I'm buying.
A product.
Not a relationship, not status, not "coolness" or "high speed low dragness" or other flavor of silliness. Like the aforementioned hammer, the product is just a tool or toy to be used or not, as I see fit. So far, every product I've bought from his company has been worth the price charged and more. Sometimes a lot more.
What else should an honest man expect for his money?
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Correct!
Did people get more pissed off at Smith & Wesson because they ripped Glock off with the Sigma Series of pistols or because they sold gun owners out by attempting to appease the Clinton Administration way back when?
Some became indignant over the Sigma and voted with their wallets, but, by and large, S&W's attempted protectionism through silly appeasement schemes drove gun owners against them.
Anyway, we're talking about Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel in a hate-filled thread, so I wouldn't expect too much.
Did people get more pissed off at Smith & Wesson because they ripped Glock off with the Sigma Series of pistols or because they sold gun owners out by attempting to appease the Clinton Administration way back when?
Some became indignant over the Sigma and voted with their wallets, but, by and large, S&W's attempted protectionism through silly appeasement schemes drove gun owners against them.
Anyway, we're talking about Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel in a hate-filled thread, so I wouldn't expect too much.
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In answer to your question, no, that would not be possible.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
I would expect nothing less coming from one of the vocal old trolls.
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Please don't pledge me, Bruce! I have a no-wax finish. My post about getting in trouble was just because it was popping up in my subconscious from an old South Park episode. Please, if the writing bug hits you, write what you want.
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To: Don Rearic -
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Glad to hear that this thread hasn't gotten you angry.
But to answer your question regarding LT's business practices, there always seems to be something that pops up. When ColdSteel started offering knives in 420J2, I recalled the negative article he wrote that appeared in American Handgunner back in 1997. He accused his competitors of ripping off the knife-buying public by not even bothering to heat-treat their 420 steel blades. A claim made without proof. Ironically, the article can be found on ColdSteel's website.
The latest one regards his advertising the latest tanto design available from ColdSteel. No, he doesn't blatantly accuse Mick Strider of being a felon. But it's still obvious whom he is refering to. It's not whether or not the claims are true. Let's say they are. Ever heard of a company advertising a product by saying (basically) "Buy our product. If you buy from our competition, you're supporting a convicted felon."
Yeah, it grabs your attention. But it doesn't say much for the product. And, to me, seems a less-than-ethical way of doing business.
Just wanted to clarify your question regarding my mention of business practices, in my other post.
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Glad to hear that this thread hasn't gotten you angry.
But to answer your question regarding LT's business practices, there always seems to be something that pops up. When ColdSteel started offering knives in 420J2, I recalled the negative article he wrote that appeared in American Handgunner back in 1997. He accused his competitors of ripping off the knife-buying public by not even bothering to heat-treat their 420 steel blades. A claim made without proof. Ironically, the article can be found on ColdSteel's website.
The latest one regards his advertising the latest tanto design available from ColdSteel. No, he doesn't blatantly accuse Mick Strider of being a felon. But it's still obvious whom he is refering to. It's not whether or not the claims are true. Let's say they are. Ever heard of a company advertising a product by saying (basically) "Buy our product. If you buy from our competition, you're supporting a convicted felon."
Yeah, it grabs your attention. But it doesn't say much for the product. And, to me, seems a less-than-ethical way of doing business.
Just wanted to clarify your question regarding my mention of business practices, in my other post.
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I like CS products. I like a lot of things. I don't particularly care for the way CS or Thompson are being treated by people that are obviously intelligent and should know better...but...indeed...I am amused more than angered by any of this.
I really enjoy hearing interviews with a guy named Gerald Celente. He calls himself, "A Political Atheist." And explains that if he was "into" politics as a true believer as he once was, it would "eat him up inside." It really jades your opinion and shades your judgment about various companies and stuff to be that way.
Things like this used to make me angry. I used to get pissed off about things like this until I learned what Anthony Lombardo and precious few others are trying to tell all of you - it's not worth it and there are very few angels in this business and, both the demons and the angels can take care of themselves without this type of spectacle.
You might think that Thompson is unethical but do you think he is stupid? Apparently you have answered your own question as to why he still has the article up on his website - he's not contradicting himself, apparently he used the same steel later on in a better way, i.e., heat treating, etc., than the makers used that he criticized.
I could see your point if he took that down and tried to hide the fact that he ever wrote it.
Why are you concerned with "claims made without proof" when you don't seem to be concerned when someone accused him of teaching criminals that knives will penetrate bullet-resistant vests?
This thread is about hating Cold Steel and/or Lynn Thompson, where did A.G. go when Anthony Lombardo spoke of Blackjack Knives? Where is he? All of the sudden A.G.R. doesn't provide the immediate gravitas that everyone assumed when they applauded his post, eh?
"Let's say they are?" I would say that they have been proven that they are true!
You see, until you and I can agree on what planet we're both on, we cannot debate this, this is absurd my friend.
As far as the Mick Strider issue is concerned, hopefully one day this will all go away and won't be spoken of any longer. While Mick Strider is hardly a Carbine Williams people can change.
There all big boys though, they can take care of themselves.
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What about the prices certain places charge for the same knives? I can see if they are close to what most others charge, but when they are way higher? Do they need to charge so much for the same knives? I doubt it, very seriously. Are they unethical to make a lot more from merely shipping you the same knives, that others can sale way lower and make out OK? I have a choice and thats not to buy them, don't I?
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I hate this thread and was staying clear of it... but my thoughts got the better of me. All I have to say is this. In this day and age it is very hard to be a fully ethical shopper. By going into the grocery or department store and buying things you will end up supporting people and practices that you hate and maybe even some that you would think should be in prison or executed for crimes against humanity. Alot of us do what we can when we can. I take the same view on the environment. I do what I can to help but I'm not burning down my house and wipping my butt with leaves (unless I'm hunting). So, my point is that in knife buying we can support the hard working, humble and repsectfull craftsmen who have good atitudes. Why support those that do not. I guess, if like cheetos and diapers, all you want is an ok product that you can buy readily for a low price then by all means support whoever. But knife buying is one place where you can vote with your money to some effectiveness, I for one try and use it. No disrespect to anyone, we all have to choose for ourselves what battles to fight.
I'm with Jim on this. It certainly isn't practical to do research on everything we buy, but if we do know or at least personally believe that an individual behaves in some way that's in conflict to what we really value, why would voting with your cash be wrong?
Can some of you really say "Well, he uses his resources to kidnap, rape and torture little children, but he makes a helluva product at a good price."? For the record, I'm NOT saying LT's behavior is on par with the example, I was just pointing out how one's behavior thats in conflict with an ELU's peronal values can play a part in the ELU's buying decisions if it is brought to their awareness.
So LT's behavior doesn't bother you, but how is it wrong that it bothers some of us? I certainly am not saying it is wrong that it doesn't bother some of you.
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Mercedes-Benz were Nazi's.
But I still love their cars.
Bayer produced the poison gases at Auschwitz.
Yet, I take their aspirin because it is the best.
And Cipro.
Never assume that your heroes are ethical people. If you like XYZ knives, buy them! If they are a good value and well made, buy them! Just because Joe Blow knifemaker comes to the forum and answers questions and gathers feedback doesn't make him a "great guy", it makes him a "Smart" guy!
We all know someone who we thought was a "super" guy. They were cool or funny or whatever. Maybe someone you worked with, schooled with or belonged to your club or church. Then you found out they were a wife beater or making meth in their basement or into kiddie porn. Thats life.
But I still love their cars.
Bayer produced the poison gases at Auschwitz.
Yet, I take their aspirin because it is the best.
And Cipro.
Never assume that your heroes are ethical people. If you like XYZ knives, buy them! If they are a good value and well made, buy them! Just because Joe Blow knifemaker comes to the forum and answers questions and gathers feedback doesn't make him a "great guy", it makes him a "Smart" guy!
We all know someone who we thought was a "super" guy. They were cool or funny or whatever. Maybe someone you worked with, schooled with or belonged to your club or church. Then you found out they were a wife beater or making meth in their basement or into kiddie porn. Thats life.
If Mercedes-Benz were STILL Nazis who committed hate crimes and planned on world domination, would that matter to you? Does Bayer STILL make poisonous gas for concentration camps for the Nazis?
If CS was bought out by Sal Glesser, I would buy from them again.
And you would still financially support these people AFTER becoming aware of this?