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No lawyer in the world could have patented that blade shape.
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Why Lynn Thompson Rules!
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No lawyer in the world could have patented that blade shape.
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I believe it was patented, perhaps during the Feudal Era of Japan. Don't interrupt the fantasy going on, however...it's fairly outrageous and funny.
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1. Bob Lum was (and is) Joe Lunch box, just making a living, not able to take anyone to court while LT was a rich realtor busy suing everybody he knew.
2. The industy was not at that time agreed that everyone (except LT) would pay for designs used.
Today a maker who he has clearly been ripped off could PROBABLY be successful in court based on industry standards and customs. You would have to consult a lawyer.
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AG,
Care to share your personal LT story?
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Don, I don't know you and have recollection of your posture on the matters discussed in your post in question.
>You posted, in the context of a discussion of allegations about CS, about an 80 year-old woman's loss of her home to, somehow, the discredit of Pfizer.
>You mentioned the matter of the pricing of drugs.
>You stated stated that "The world, the [knife?] business, lacks integrity. . . ."
>You cited Buck's manufacture of a knife, the Buckmaster, with grappling hooks, presumably as evidence of this perceived state of things -- or so I thought.
Trying to make sense of the relevance of these claimed facts to the thread, I concluded that you felt, in general, that a lack of ethical behavior was so much the norm, that one should not be upset about another, narrower, example of alleged unethical behavior. (And I realize full well that it may simply be my inability to grasp the logic of your position.)
Don, limiting ourselves to "the business," are any examples of lack of integrity worthy of being criticised or is the "the business," like "the world," so wicked that it's a waste of time to criticise any perceived dishonest behavior? (Some folks do take that position that the world is so evil that focus on any single evil is a waste of time.)
(Incidently, my beef with CS is more accurately characterized as a claim of lack of judgment to the eventual detriment of the knife business and knife users - the over-the-top advertising. I don't know enough to decide about he knock-off claims, despite the back-and-forth.)
>You posted, in the context of a discussion of allegations about CS, about an 80 year-old woman's loss of her home to, somehow, the discredit of Pfizer.
>You mentioned the matter of the pricing of drugs.
>You stated stated that "The world, the [knife?] business, lacks integrity. . . ."
>You cited Buck's manufacture of a knife, the Buckmaster, with grappling hooks, presumably as evidence of this perceived state of things -- or so I thought.
Trying to make sense of the relevance of these claimed facts to the thread, I concluded that you felt, in general, that a lack of ethical behavior was so much the norm, that one should not be upset about another, narrower, example of alleged unethical behavior. (And I realize full well that it may simply be my inability to grasp the logic of your position.)
Don, limiting ourselves to "the business," are any examples of lack of integrity worthy of being criticised or is the "the business," like "the world," so wicked that it's a waste of time to criticise any perceived dishonest behavior? (Some folks do take that position that the world is so evil that focus on any single evil is a waste of time.)
No. I do not. But you are probably trying to cleverly demonstrate a "strawman" argument. No need to be clever. I asked for clarification of your position.
No. I did not. I did not mention LT or CS at all. I mentioned you, Don, asked for your position, and gave my opinion on the position I thought you took regarding the materiality (or lack thereof) of discussing claims of lack of integrity against LT/CS.
(Incidently, my beef with CS is more accurately characterized as a claim of lack of judgment to the eventual detriment of the knife business and knife users - the over-the-top advertising. I don't know enough to decide about he knock-off claims, despite the back-and-forth.)
A.G.,
Thanks for weighing in. Even if you don't establish a clear stance(would not expect you to), your presence helps to lift a thread like this above the "norm", and puts some importance to it, as opposed to being just another "bitching and whining" thread.
Was there any other company in existence at the time, that made a continual habit of "appropriating" custom designs? I know that Schrade did it with the Sharpfinger, but that seems like a relatively isolated instance.
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STeven Garsson
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Thomas,
No. It's not really that easy to dismiss your use of a Straw Man Argument.
I specifically cited where you used a Straw Man Argument so you could gain the upper hand. You did, I don't care if you agree with it or a bunch of sockpuppets agree with it - it was a Straw Man Argument.
When I was speaking about Pfizer I was speaking specifically about "dirty games" or whatever quaint phrase you used, that Lynn Thompson is supposedly guilty of. He ran dirty games, whatever. The point is BUSINESS is DONE this WAY. Don't like it? Don't get involved in business. Do I like it? NO. Can I change it? NO. Therefore, do I care about things I cannot change? NO.
The dirty games portion was rather vague, don't you think? That's why I wandered around. But it makes no difference because Lynn Thompson is apparently the antichrist to you and many others, there is no sense in trying to reason with a true believer. I know, I was one.
A specific comparison to people who take orders they don't intend on filling and a vague reference to "dirty games." That's the point.
The comparison of Cold Steel to the likes of some of the people who have ripped people off, taking orders that they never intended on completing is the worst type of mudslinging you can stoop to.
In fact, in cycles, a nugget will start grinding out GARBAGE and then will gather around a choir of 16 or more sockpuppets to sing the praises of the new-found god and the orders will roll in and then an idea will occur...theft.
Mentioning Cold Steel and Lynn Thompson with the likes of these nuggets is just absurd. For one thing, he sells better knives than these nuggets! You don't have to wait, you don't have to beg and plead, you just get it and it's better anyway. So, it's like you're really heaping the B.S. on Cold Steel as far as I'm concerned.
I would like to thank you, though, it's nice to have a whetstone once in a while.
No. It's not really that easy to dismiss your use of a Straw Man Argument.
I specifically cited where you used a Straw Man Argument so you could gain the upper hand. You did, I don't care if you agree with it or a bunch of sockpuppets agree with it - it was a Straw Man Argument.
When I was speaking about Pfizer I was speaking specifically about "dirty games" or whatever quaint phrase you used, that Lynn Thompson is supposedly guilty of. He ran dirty games, whatever. The point is BUSINESS is DONE this WAY. Don't like it? Don't get involved in business. Do I like it? NO. Can I change it? NO. Therefore, do I care about things I cannot change? NO.
The dirty games portion was rather vague, don't you think? That's why I wandered around. But it makes no difference because Lynn Thompson is apparently the antichrist to you and many others, there is no sense in trying to reason with a true believer. I know, I was one.
A specific comparison to people who take orders they don't intend on filling and a vague reference to "dirty games." That's the point.
The comparison of Cold Steel to the likes of some of the people who have ripped people off, taking orders that they never intended on completing is the worst type of mudslinging you can stoop to.
In fact, in cycles, a nugget will start grinding out GARBAGE and then will gather around a choir of 16 or more sockpuppets to sing the praises of the new-found god and the orders will roll in and then an idea will occur...theft.
Mentioning Cold Steel and Lynn Thompson with the likes of these nuggets is just absurd. For one thing, he sells better knives than these nuggets! You don't have to wait, you don't have to beg and plead, you just get it and it's better anyway. So, it's like you're really heaping the B.S. on Cold Steel as far as I'm concerned.
I would like to thank you, though, it's nice to have a whetstone once in a while.
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Yes! I love it!
In a single post you expose this thread for the fraud that it is.
It's all because you don't like Lynn Thompson and/or Cold Steel, it doesn't have a damned thing to do with "dirty games" or anything else or you would spill the beans on all of them, wouldn't you?
Wouldn't you?
Thompson has even been blamed for teaching criminals through advertising that bullet-resistant vests could be defeated - how far will you reach?
By the way...just as an afterthought...in order to get a lawyer to go after him on this G.I. Tanto thing, you would also have to prove some damages.
Do you think that one in one-hundred of the people who will buy that Cold Steel GI Tanto would ever fork over ten times that amount for a similar Strider? Thirty versus three hundred - come on. Strider isn't even damaged by this. The vast majority of people who purchase Striders wouldn't be caught dead with this thing near them.
It just doesn't taste good...but it's also cool to see that you all just hate Thompson and that's what this is all about. So, keep bitching about him and protect the others as "SlamFire" challenged.
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No, Don, you cited your misunderstanding, or intentional mischaracterization, of my questions to you - about you, Don, and what you think.
Don, does it bother you at all that, while others did, I never used those words or endorsed them? Would your inaccurate attribution of those words to me and your attack on me for their supposed inappropriate use be a "strawman argument"?
Then I was correct about your position. Namely, you assert that, evil existing widely in business (and I think you said "the world."), you are unwilling to openly criticize it -- even attack those who criticize it -- because you perceive that the situation cannot be changed by such actions. (I disagree with such a position, but that is neither here nor there.) Or have I again mistated in your view?
Again, you are attempting to refute my adoption of a position that I never took, in words or in substance. Strawman again?
Not sarcasm, truly - just do not understand the point you are attempting to make. I did not compare LT/CS to vendors who don't deliver. I used it an an example to test the reach of your posture that it does no good to attack lack of integrity, in "the business," "business," and "the world." And now, IMO, we know more about your position.
Perhaps true --- if I had made such a comparision . But I didn't ask about about LT/CS at all. I asked about you, Don, and your position. If "the business" and "the world" is such a pile of drek, why question or criticize even outright thieves? (I can think of reasons.)
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Your concerns seem manifest.
You are so welcome. Any time. I am sworn to do good deeds.
Observations on the man?
Simply, he is passionate. He is passionate about hunting, shooting, martial arts, and knives. His passion pays off in the quality of the products, but, like many passionate people, he rubs some the wrong way.
He is not willing to water-down his passions or make them PC. I find that admirable. Even when others find him abrasive or simply do not like him, he is not going to sugar-coat himself or his passions to appease them. He understands that some won't like him, and knows that you can't please everyone. As long as he maintains his commitment to making a quality product at a reasonable price, then he is doing his job.
Those here who say he has no integrity or that he is criminal or unethical in his practices have the luxury of an opinion that does not demand substantiation on the internet. I am sure that if they met him and spoke to him, they might change their opinion of him- at least enough to not throw out derogatory remarks.
Lynn is always available to his fans, and also to his detractors. You can find him at the Blade Show, at the Parking lot sale, and at the CS Challenge. I wonder if those that beat their chests and call names here, and are able to travel to any event that LT does or visits, would say as much to him personally. I can guarantee that he will be more than happy to defend his position to anyone that cares to test his resolve.
And to those immature enough to make statements like "I would like to see (fill in the blank___) and LT fight it out. I would love to see that... ha ha ha", well, the CS challenge is an opporitunity to do so. Feel free to go up to LT or any of the staff, judges, competitors, etc., and make a challenge. I am convinced that your challenges will be happily met.
In short, LT is a likable, albeit passionate man. He is also the Uber KnifeKnut! If you want to talk knife and sword history, technology, and usage, he is a wealth of knowledge.
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The most famous of them all is Blackjack knives. They ripped off Randall!
They also ripped off Jerry Fisk, Bob Cargill, The Ek family, Ethan Becker, Pat Crawford, Howard Hitchmough, Al Mar, Vaughn Neely, Lakota,300 Below, about 50 employees, the federal government, the state of IL and hundreds more. But AG is their biggest fan! He has propped Mike Stewart up for years at Blackjack, Marbles and now Bark River. Why is always Mike's biggest customer?
I know why-Blackjack made good knives and Mike still makes good knives and AG makes money on every one he sells.
Thanks DngrRuss1 great stuff. One of these days I have to get out to one of those events, any of them must be a blast.
Any chance we can get LT to participate on our forums or this thread? Maybe just answer a few questions?
Any chance we can get LT to participate on our forums or this thread? Maybe just answer a few questions?
SlamFire,
I don't know who you are, but I have been in "that industry" for over 15 years, and a simple "yes" or "no" would suffice.
Is there something besides my question that has led you to question my common sense?
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That might be due to the fact that the only places you appear to post are in threads pertaining to CS and LT.
Is that the best you have, personal attacks on my sexuality?
For a guy who does a whole lotta whining about personal attacks hurled his way, you sure don't have a problem slinging 'em. Once again, I challenge you to find one post of mine where I've called you any names, have attacked your sexuality, or have done anything more than simply stating, in my opinion, you're full of a lot of hot air.
Then, in other words, you haven't read read a lot of his posts.
Thank you very much for your in-depth analysis of my posting style, and your speculation on my background (though I have learned enough to know how to spell "pizza" correctly). If my posts bother you, please feel free to use the "ignore" feature.
Regards,
3G
In fact I have read his posts, I was impressed by the way he kept his cool for page after page, despite having a bunch of people making snide remarks about him and people he admires. I think he has shown alot of class in the past. This post you are quoting him on here is below standard for him, as I said. But I understand it at the same time, after awhile people lose respect for anyone who is constantly hostile to them and have no intention of trying to see things from another perspective.
3G why not get off your high horse? For a second think of the worst possible accusation you come up with against Lynn Thompson or Cold Steel. How does that stack up to real ethical breeches or wrong doings or crimes?
If I strained my imagination about the worst thing I could come up with is that he took the tanto design from bob lum. But for petes sake! tantos were around for centuries in japan, and it is a business. There are laws and Lum didnt have a patent for it and probably never would have be able to get a patent for that blade shape.
Is LT gulity of really hurting anybody, has he ever carjacked anybody? Let it go man. And have some fun.
3G why not get off your high horse? For a second think of the worst possible accusation you come up with against Lynn Thompson or Cold Steel. How does that stack up to real ethical breeches or wrong doings or crimes?
If I strained my imagination about the worst thing I could come up with is that he took the tanto design from bob lum. But for petes sake! tantos were around for centuries in japan, and it is a business. There are laws and Lum didnt have a patent for it and probably never would have be able to get a patent for that blade shape.
Is LT gulity of really hurting anybody, has he ever carjacked anybody? Let it go man. And have some fun.
Evidently there are a number of folks who think it is OK, and as far as I can tell from this even admirable, to "clone" another mfg's good selling knives. All using the argument that others have done it, and it is just business.
It may be legal, and it may have been done before, but it will always seem kinda sleazy to do these very obvious unauthorized "clone" knives in my book.
And badmouthing the competition in the ads is just lame.
It may be legal, and it may have been done before, but it will always seem kinda sleazy to do these very obvious unauthorized "clone" knives in my book.
And badmouthing the competition in the ads is just lame.
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Knives like hammers, are fairly simple tools. Except of course, nobody jumps on Stanley's ass for making a hammer that looks just like Craftsman's hammer.
It seems to me, if a dozen people are making a particular style of knife, let us say, an American Tanto blade with a cord wrapped handle (God, how original and unique is that?) as far as forum members are concerned, the "Owner" of that design is determined by which maker is currently most popular.
Tide comes in, tide goes out. Fight it until you have a heart attack and die in the surf. The tide cares not, it will still come and go as it always has.
Of course it's sleazy. I wish it were not so but my wishes count for little in the grand scheme of things. The anxiety you're currently feeling is due to your inability to accept how little your wishes count for.
Oh sure, there are those who will solemnly intone the old Kennedy quote "The only thing neccessary for evil men to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
But on the other hand, when evil men outnumber good men ten thousand to one, it doesn't make much difference what the good men do.
Is it really "badmouthing" if it's true?
Here you are, taking a stand and speaking out against what you think is wrong and in doing so, condemning LT for doing exactly the same thing, albeit in a far more effective manner.
How is it that when you do it you're being virtuous, but when Thompson does it he's being "sleazy?"