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That might argue for something if you tell me their policy is "sales to LEO/military only." But their "blood and guts" advertising in knife mags suggests otherwise.
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Why Lynn Thompson Rules!
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When the Constitution was written, bladed weapons were very much thought of as "arms." Knives, swords, pikes, and bayonets were regular issue to the military and commonly carried by the citizenry the Second Amendment was meant to protect. Do you have a citation to a U.S. Supreme Court opinion that says "arms" does not include knives?
speaking of pole arms and swords, went back and checked out my proof dvd again, You know on the spears dvd, he includes all kinds of free advice for how to throw a spear. I guess I fast forwarded over that, but to me all that free advice on throwing , self defense with a spear , sword fighting basics, that is going the extra distance.
That is pretty cool.
And sometimes when I am making short work of some branch with my 20 dollar bushman, or pulling some firemaking kit out of its handle, I think " you know this guy is looking out for us average joe types
That is pretty cool.
And sometimes when I am making short work of some branch with my 20 dollar bushman, or pulling some firemaking kit out of its handle, I think " you know this guy is looking out for us average joe types
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I think it's time to just admit that you are secretly in love with me. It seems that you mention me an AWFUL LOT. Not only in this thread, but any that contain CS or LT being mentioned.
Just let it out. Be free. Admit your secret desires to yourself. You'll feel so much better for it.
Though you are not my type. I'm not into those who blurr the line between fact and opinion... or dudes.
I think it's time to just admit that you are secretly in love with me. It seems that you mention me an AWFUL LOT. Not only in this thread, but any that contain CS or LT being mentioned.
Just let it out. Be free. Admit your secret desires to yourself. You'll feel so much better for it.
Though you are not my type. I'm not into those who blurr the line between fact and opinion... or dudes.
DngrRuss1: Ive read alot of your posts, you are usually way above this, in the sense that your posts have a bit more content and class, but I do get that continual personal attacks due tend to wear down the patience, so its understandable.
On the other hand, you know LT right? what is he like in person? once you get to know him? I guess from the video, he hunts alot right? spears blow guns all of it. How about as a person, looks as though he is likes to teach.
Any observations on the man?
On the other hand, you know LT right? what is he like in person? once you get to know him? I guess from the video, he hunts alot right? spears blow guns all of it. How about as a person, looks as though he is likes to teach.
Any observations on the man?
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DOK's do advertise blood and guts as far as use by the military. What they are offering for sale is nothing that's restricted to just military or LEO use only. Yes I think its a somewhat clever ploy to attract buyers that like that sort of hype and use of knives. But they are clever enough to only word their adds toward military use. So if I want one I should fully understand that I was not being addressed.
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Steven,
I remember the Cold Steel ads and always felt that they were just showcasing the cutting power of the knife. You know as well as I do that almost any decent dagger can penetrate a kevlar vest with ease.
As for Bob Lum, well thats the old story on the knife and I am sure it is accurate. Bob Lum should have taken LT to court, IMO but that doesn't make what happened "right".
I don't think anyone is saying LT is a "warm and fuzzy" guy, but thank God for us both there is no crime in being a dick on occasion.
In the knife business I usually suggest to newbies to buy the product first, the maker second and the hype third. Cold Steel, with all of their warts has some really great products. They have very good customer service. Like most companies, they do not always live up to their marketing.
Some find them odious and despicable. I don't. I appreciate the fact that they make some higher performance products, with custom influences and styling at affordable prices. When I think about important products in the industry I often think of Cold Steel. If we limited our purchases only to companies with perfect past behavior we would severely limit our options. There would be nothing to buy!
Guess who allegedly designed the Trailmaster?
Anthony,
1. You are right that we should be very glad that being a dick is not a crime. That said, we have not made careers out of it, and Lynn has.
2. Lynn made the fact that a knife could penetrate kevlar vests public knowledge. Not sure that it was an intentional pointing out of that achilles heel, but Buck Knives didn't like it.
3. No argument about making good stuff, they make some very, very good knives. They also make some correspondingly low priced crap. The advice you offer about "buy product first" is very good advice, but anyone watching one of the "Proof" videos will have a hard time separating the man from the company/knives.
Cold Steel makes some very great knives, Lynn Thompson does dirty business.
The title of the thread was NOT is Cold Steel a good knifemaking/marketing company?, had it been I would have said "pretty much".
I have already made my statements about Lynn, and stick by them.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
The ads were in the mid to late '80's.
Understand, this was part of Cold Steel's INTRODUCTORY advertising.
Lynn HAD arranged to have Buck Knives produce the tanto for him, so the first runs WERE US made. After the ads came out, he had to find a new source, so Japan became Cold Steel's manufacturing partner.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
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The entire country?!
Dang! Lynn does rule! Haven't bought one of his knives in years, but may have bought a Camry from him without knowing.
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Okay! Let me tell you why he rules.
1. He has some excellent knives made.
2. He has some really good knives made.
3. He has some excellent defensive items like some of the CS canes.
4. He does have training in using what he makes and was the first Maker to do so, no debate. Even though I don't believe or agree with all of the conclusions he comes to.
5. He doesn't run from self-defense use, like some of the people you apparently witness sunrise and sunset erupting from their buttocks.
6. He is enough to send an entire forum of people who worship people they shouldn't be worshipping into a steamy, frothy mess.
7. He makes a fine blowgun.
8. He thumbed his nose at stupid California law and sells them from Texas - FOUR STARS!
9. He has decided to make a Ball Head Club, you know, an Indian Ball Club. Now, isn't that wonderfully obscene? I mean, I'm German, Cree, Cherokee and Irish, I find this to be wonderful, you?
You want some Kleenex?
You think he invented it or just participated in it and became good at it?
"He runs a dirty game." Bwahahahaha! Cincinnati Kid!
The next time you get a nasty infection or someone you love does, will you give a pharmaceutical company its "due?" You want to talk "dirty game?" Take your morals and absurd ethical standards with you to a hospital or pharmacy next time and ACT LIKE YOU ARE IN THIS THREAD.
I'll send flowers.
Check this out, a woman, in her 80s IIRC, lost her home to Pfizer and the same government that allowed it to happen also prohibited her from going to Canada to get cheaper medication that Pfizer and others sell. Ain't that cool? Isn't that a filthy, stinking, rotten "game?"
I'm used to dirty games.
Steven,
You seem like a nice enough guy to me and I hope you don't hate or despise me and surely hope you won't after you read this.
I used to be a lot like you on this issue. (Ask Anthony Lombardo)
You talk "dirty games," you have to be kidding. Knifemakers have more games than MILTON BRADLEY and to believe otherwise is to be stupid or naive. I don't think you're stupid, I think you want to alter the world to fit your view because your view is a noble and honest one and the world lacks that. The world, the business, lacks integrity, when you see someone like Sal Glesser, raise your glass!
Everyone else?
Please. I see all of this BUCK BUCK BUCK, who marketed the Buckmaster with GRAPNEL HOOKS!
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, that's cool! Just what I need, a big bowie knife coming down on me when it breaks...of course, no one really ... seriously was going to use that thing like that.
Where do your ethics start? Is it just money or can we add in that bit of marketing B.S.?
I'll tell you something, I don't care anymore. I know I have been ripped in the past so what do I care if one millionaire rips off another millionaire?
That's why the whole thing is goofy.
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No. With respect, it is my opinion that you are the one being addressed. They are selling an idea as much as a knife. At their prices these are not tools for field use by LEO/military. (At least CS sells products that rank-and-file can fit in the budget.)
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So I take it, Don, that the next time someone posts that a maker or vendor took the $$ and didn't deliver the knife, we should tell the "complainer," "Tough rocks, dude. Shit happens. It's a bad world."
Really? All lines are OK to cross? In fact, no lines exist?
Without validating any judgments, I do not agree that anything goes -- in the knife world or otherwise. Recognizing imperfection, I simply do not see the moral equivalency of all behavior or agree that all behavior is equally damaging - to customers individually or as a group.
I also recognize that folks will disagree over how given behavior should be judged -- even when they can agree on what the behavior actually was.
Really? All lines are OK to cross? In fact, no lines exist?
Without validating any judgments, I do not agree that anything goes -- in the knife world or otherwise. Recognizing imperfection, I simply do not see the moral equivalency of all behavior or agree that all behavior is equally damaging - to customers individually or as a group.
I also recognize that folks will disagree over how given behavior should be judged -- even when they can agree on what the behavior actually was.
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Ok, but its my opinion when I read what is said about cutting parachute harness, hacking free out of aircraft aluminum, and the rest he isn't addressing me. It may not stop me from wanting to buy a DOK but still I do none of that stuff. A lot of knives aren't cheap that the military guys purchase and carry. (strider, sog) I'm sure some buy cheap and some don't. I just don't get real excited about what knife companies do. The way I see it if Cold Steel or Dark Ops is offending to you as far as marketing or what they sale just don't buy from them. I like some models from both and some I don't, but I can say that about all brands.
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A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.
Its name is derived from the practice of using straw men in combat training. In such training, a scarecrow is made in the image of the enemy with the single intent of attacking it.[1] It is occasionally called a straw dog fallacy[2] or a scarecrow argument.
See above link, read article found by clicking on link, apply to this portion of your post that I quoted as well.
Straw Man.
Please read your own statement which I have used bold to highlight.
You simply DO agree that all behavior is equally damaging to customers individually or as a group! Why? In your Straw Man Argument that you set up and then knocked down, you compared Cold Steel, Lynn Thompson, et al., with makers or vendors that take orders and don't deliver product and that my friend is NONSENSE.