Why no bad press and / or journalistic public shaming of Bear & Son??

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Bear and all of their predecessors and affiliates have been drug through the mud for decades. It has been done on this forum with a very accurate history. There is a whole lot more here than you realize. Perhaps this should go to the GBU section or review as Craytab said. Why are you asking others to do your dirty work? If you are so sure then do it yourself, and accept all responsibility. Research Jim Parker, Parker Knives, Parker and Edwards, etc. Read more, post less.
 
American Jedi said:
Look, this is NOT me being hysterical. There are enough negative comments on these forums here and at other places around the internet about Bear & Son knives that imo, totally justifies this as an important, relevant AND necessary topic of discussion. And considering this is the 'General Discussion' forum for commercially available cutlery, I think posting here about this issue is MORE than appropriate.




Well, considering this is a KNIFE discussion platform...just what BIGGER problems would those be? A collapsing dollar?....poor economy?...outsourced jobs?? According to the forum's general guidelines those BIGGER problems are apparently strictly OFF-LIMITS here...am I wrong??
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You picked Bear & Son, but if you look here and elsewhere no company is immune to quality control issues, inside the knife industry as well. I don't see them as any different than negative reviews you see on Strider, ZT, Buck, ect...... things happen, lemons go out, I am here often and don't see a higher complaint rate with Bear and Son. I got a few lemons from Buck personally, and they are one of my favorite companies. You just for some reason don't like them, fine, move on to another company.
 
American Jedi said:
Let me begin by saying that I have owned a 'Bear MGC' butterfly knife in my past, and while certainly not the Cadillac of butterfly knives, I found it to be quite a well-built little knife for the cost.

Having said that however, over the course of the last few days I've read enough bad customer reviews and now threads on this forum that lead me to believe that they MUST have some SERIOUS build quality issues. I find this particularly disheartening as I purposely look for quality US made cutlery. I'm tired pretty-looking, cheaply-made Asian garbage and have been for years. I nearly made the leap to go all in and buy their monster Damascus 14+ inch Stag Handled American Bowie. (had it not been for this forum, I likely would have)...I find it a very attractive looking knife. And the fact that it's 100% US made initially seemed like a "no-brainer" to me. I find it a real pity that I would have to look elsewhere to get such a beautiful looking knife. :(

Had it not been for bad customer reviews on online retailer's websites I'm almost certain I would already have the blade in the mail. Which leads me back to my original question...Why the basically mainstream, journalistic review blackout of their poor quality?? I find it pretty hard to believe that recognized cutlery publications could be so blind to this obvious gorilla in the room that sadly, is apparently Bear & Sons overall substandard build quality.

I mean, what's the deal? Are they paying off publishers of knife magazines or something? I know this sounds absolutely ridiculous but, how else could the public silence over this issue be explained??...thoughts?...anyone?? :confused:
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this magazine and journalism deal has failed in all regards across the board. ever see a bad gun review from any real publication, let alone any blogger that gets stuff from the makers for free to review and wants to keep getting stuff for free? not to turn this into a nasty political thread by any means, but think of this when you read the news and watch the news. it's a rigged game, and true journalism died long ago.... if it ever existed at all.
 
SOLEIL said:
Bear and all of their predecessors and affiliates have been drug through the mud for decades. It has been done on this forum with a very accurate history. There is a whole lot more here than you realize. Perhaps this should go to the GBU section or review as Craytab said. Why are you asking others to do your dirty work? If you are so sure then do it yourself, and accept all responsibility. Research Jim Parker, Parker Knives, Parker and Edwards, etc. Read more, post less.
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This is absolutely GB&U material. That or W&C.


American Jedi said:
Look, this is NOT me being hysterical. There are enough negative comments on these forums here and at other places around the internet about Bear & Son knives that imo, totally justifies this as an important, relevant AND necessary topic of discussion. And considering this is the 'General Discussion' forum for commercially available cutlery, I think posting here about this issue is MORE than appropriate.

Well, considering this is a KNIFE discussion platform...just what BIGGER problems would those be? A collapsing dollar?....poor economy?...outsourced jobs?? According to the forum's general guidelines those BIGGER problems are apparently strictly OFF-LIMITS here...am I wrong??
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So if this information is already available what is the point of you pointing it out again? This is General Knife discussion not "consolidated source for all bad knife companies even though the information is available elsewhere discussion".

I could care less about the company one way or the other, but to have someone join a community and come on in to tell us how it all is sure doesn't sit well.
 
I haven't paid close attention lately but it seems back a few years ago Bear & Son had their own niche, affordable made in US knives. If that is still true then it would explain their hit and miss QC. It costs more to make consistently high quality cutting instruments. If you want quality, cough up the bucks!
 
American Jedi said:
And considering this is the 'General Discussion' forum for commercially available cutlery, I think posting here about this issue is MORE than appropriate.
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It is the General KNIFE Discussion forum, not an all-purpose bulletin board. Moved to FEEDBACK.
 
I think he has a valid point, but at the same time the OP needs to look at the industry as a whole . If the people on here ( a blade oriented forum ) are understanding that B&S is making a sub-standard product, then the forum is doing it's job. I DO believe , however , that publications ( such as magazines ) tend to gloss over the imperfections on many products in the name of promoting the industry. If they found fault with every knife that came across their desk ( and honestly if they're picky enough they can ) then #1: The knifemakers will stop sending them examples to review, and 2 : If you read bad things about a knife in a magazine , you may decide not to buy it without ever holding it. The other thing to consider is that what is a deal breaker for me on a knife ( I like projects and working on things , for example , where others want it to be perfect so they don't have to mess with it ) others aren't even concerned with. Most people don't think that these knives are worth the money, and reading reviews is one way of growing the customer base. But if every review has some negative or another most people will simply not get interested.
 
I think the reason you don't read many negative reviews here about B&S is most folks here are too knowledgeable to
buy them....
 
American Jedi - Don't expect consistency. You won't find it. But, the mods make the calls and that's just how it works. Learn to roll with it. You also need to understand that there are some members here who think they're mods, wish they were mods, or are just uniformly annoying know-it-alls. Learn to roll with it. I don't bother with the "ignore" feature, but you can block them from your feed if you wish.

Welcome.
 
Abrasoka said:
I think the reason you don't read many negative reviews here about B&S is most folks *HERE* are too knowledgeable to
buy them....
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EXACTLY, in HERE us FORTUNATE FEW are armed w/ the info. we need to avoid them. What about the countless millions who DO NOT own a computer, have access to the internet or know how to use and / or navigate it??

By the general consensus I seem to be getting here, I guess it's just too bad, so sad and up sh*t creek for them huh?

What's that old saying? Something about not needing enemies w/ 'friends' like these?? ;)
 
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HappyDaddy said:
American Jedi - Don't expect consistency. You won't find it. But, the mods make the calls and that's just how it works. Learn to roll with it. You also need to understand that there are some members here who think they're mods, wish they were mods, or are just uniformly annoying know-it-alls. Learn to roll with it. I don't bother with the "ignore" feature, but you can block them from your feed if you wish.

Welcome.
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One of the few sensible and mature replies I've received today...ty Happy :thumbup:
 
American Jedi said:
EXACTLY, in HERE us FORTUNATE FEW are armed w/ the info. we need to avoid them. What about the countless millions who DO NOT own a computer, have access to the internet or know how to use and / or navigate it??
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What in the name of Scagel are you talking about?

Who doesn't own a computer, have access to the internet or know how to use and / or navigate it?? Countless millions?!?

By the way, a bit of friendly advice...sassing the mods is a mistake, if you want to stay.
 
American Jedi said:
LOL, if I had a nickel for every time well...you know the rest. :rolleyes:
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Yes...I came to that conclusion already. Really, if you come into a forum guns blazing and kicking in doors, you are going to get tossed. Which, apparently, you are prone to doing.

This place really is pretty easy to not get tossed from. Many, many, many folks manage to do it. I'm sure you can too.
 
marcinek said:
Yes...I came to that conclusion already. Really, if you come into a forum guns blazing and kicking in doors, you are going to get tossed. Which, apparently, you are prone to doing.

This place really is pretty easy to not get tossed from. Many, many, many folks manage to do it. I'm sure you can too.
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How is asking some imo, totally legitimate questions about the mainstream silence over a knife maker's build quality in ANY way 'kicking in doors" and "coming in, guns blazing"??

Since we're all supposedly knife fans here to some degree or another, here's a line of dialogue that most here should be fairly familiar with...."They drew first blood...not me" - John Rambo. ;)
 
marcinek said:
What in the name of Scagel are you talking about?

Who doesn't own a computer, have access to the internet or know how to use and / or navigate it?? Countless millions?!?

By the way, a bit of friendly advice...sassing the mods is a mistake, if you want to stay.
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There's lots of us that don't own computers.

I'm replying to this post via letter to the editor as I read this article. Of course skynet will probably pirate my letter and post it on some sort of internet forum without express written consent.
 
American Jedi said:
Look, this is NOT me being hysterical. There are enough negative comments on these forums here and at other places around the internet about Bear & Son knives that imo, totally justifies this as an important, relevant AND necessary topic of discussion. And considering this is the 'General Discussion' forum for commercially available cutlery, I think posting here about this issue is MORE than appropriate.




Well, considering this is a KNIFE discussion platform...just what BIGGER problems would those be? A collapsing dollar?....poor economy?...outsourced jobs?? According to the forum's general guidelines those BIGGER problems are apparently strictly OFF-LIMITS here...am I wrong??
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Ok man, time for you to calm down. We get it, you feel there's this huge need. But here's the thing, railing against everyone here about it isn't going to do anything but shut your message down.
 
American Jedi said:
It is the General KNIFE Discussion forum, not an all-purpose bulletin board. Moved to FEEDBACK.


Rrrriiiight :cool:....http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1365672-If-you-found-200

....http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-quot-hall-of-meat-quot-(Graphic-Injury-Pics)
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Mod sass. I can tell you from experience that talking back and not listening to the mods are bad ideas. And did you notice that those threads you linked are knife related? Your public service announcement thread is about a company. And that would be why we are in feedback now :thumbup:

But continue on sassing the mods and tell us all how it is.......
 
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