Why so many Hinderers

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jill jackson said:
I certainly don't know about any of it, if something happened before. I never even owned a Hinderer before last week.
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I just got mine too and I love it. I was referring to how all e Hinderer threads lately turn to crap right way with people complaining about the detent or something. Again I love mine
 
bodog said:
They're not midtech. Almost all of the production has been outsourced. If everything but the screws have been sourced to other companies, would you call it a midtech?
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Again, just what has been outsourced by Hinderer? The blades? Are you saying they get other companies to make their blades? They don't cut their own G-10 handle slabs? Or the ti locking side? I really don't know and I just am asking. I would find it very odd if they didn't.
 
jill jackson said:
Again, just what has been outsourced by Hinderer? The blades? Are you saying they get other companies to make their blades? They don't cut their own G-10 handle slabs? Or the ti locking side? I really don't know and I just am asking. I would find it very odd if they didn't.
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Rick himself told me they are made in China, just don't tell anyone;):D
 
jill jackson said:
Again, just what has been outsourced by Hinderer? The blades? Are you saying they get other companies to make their blades? They don't cut their own G-10 handle slabs? Or the ti locking side? I really don't know and I just am asking. I would find it very odd if they didn't.
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He's just being a troll.

They do just about everything in-house like they always have.....

Great knives.
The prices have stabilized because supply has gone up.
Nothing more to it then that, simple economics....
 
Fred S2 said:
Just counted 10 on the first 2 pages of FSB Individuals. Seems like if I could afford one, I'd keep it. Do folks try them and not like em, or are those guys "pro" flippers

Wondering is all
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People buy and people sell. If someone has several and they find something else they want, they might want to sell one to free up funds for that new piece. Nothing strange or out of the ordinary. This has been going on for years. It goes in cycles, it can be ZT for a week, then CRK for the next week, then something else.
The prices have gone down, simply because supply has increased and the middle men flipper/gouger types have lost their grip.
 
Comeuppance said:
poor flipping action makes me hold off every time.

Don't give it a flipper tab if it doesn't flip. A $400 knife shouldn't need a wrist flick.
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Because I'm sure the people who buy these to really use them are worried about that...
 
I been wanting to buy one . I just can't pull the trigger on the XM . Not sure why but every time I have had the opportunity I back of .
 
Probably because they're no longer an investment piece. Now you can find them at or close to retail. When before they were at seriously jacked up prices.

But a lot of people like to buy a knife, try it for a while and sell it to fund another knife. Not everyone can find their "perfect" knife.
 
bodog said:
They're not midtech. Almost all of the production has been outsourced. If everything but the screws have been sourced to other companies, would you call it a midtech?
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Please cite your source, this would sure help further this dicussion. If this is indeed a fact, and you have the evidence then there is no reason to hold back that information right? Was there any NDAs signed by you?

jill jackson said:
You can find them at retail now. I always wanted to try them out, so got this 18 and a 24 on the way, this one is really smoothed out and flipping better all the time. No wrist movement needed now to open it everytime.
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I love the Bowie shape on that. Is that a ceracoated Ti side?
 
RevDevil said:
Please cite your source, this would sure help further this dicussion. If this is indeed a fact, and you have the evidence then there is no reason to hold back that information right?
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Sorry, I misread the article a little. It said everything is cut in machining centers, talking about CNC machines. I thought it meant machining factories. However, the article said this:

"Except for finishes and heat treat, everything is done on-site."

That originally had me believe that only assembling was performed in house. Not the case. Things are cut by CNC machine and then subcontracted out to different companies for a lot of the important work then brought back for the finishing touches. Kind of like calling a Chevrolet an American car when the parts were built in Malaysia and assembled in Mexico then brought to America to have the seats and radio put in.

But it also said that each knife is hand ground by Rick Hinderer. We know that's not the case. So I don't know how accurate it is. Has a lot of in house photos so I'm assuming Rick approved the article.

So everything is cut by CNC, shipped out for heat treatment and finishing, brought back, assembled, and someone does the sharpening. We know that's usually not by Rick because whoever gets those make it very well known that it was a blade done by Hinderer if it was.

So this statement has me confused. It says this:

".What results is a fixed or folding knife that will stand up to the rigors of military, police, fire or emergency service regardless of the required task."

But his warranty says that normal wear and tear isn't covered. Abuse isn't covered. Really nothing is covered. I've seen the stuff that the quoted statement alludes to in real life. It would either be considered normal for a first responder or it would be considered abuse by anyone else. So I use the knife as a first responder in the course of duty and it breaks. Then what?

And to give one last kick to the dead horse, it says it'll stand up to the rigors, unless the rigors cause a blade with no detent to fall out and cut you up. That's how the knife was meant to be.


It really is a pretty good article with some interesting pics for those who want to read it.
http://americancopmagazine.com/custom-combative-steel/

I'm bowing out of Hinderer discussions for awhile. It's old. People either like them or not and it sounds like maybe he fixed the detent issue.
 
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^Interesting read, I too am puzzled by the wording they market their knives with..

If your selling knives to military, police, first responders and telling them your knives are made to live up to the unusual tasks that those people will use the knife for then why make literally everything not covered under warranty?

I'm former military got out in 2012 and seen the unusual or abuse knives are used for and I can say with confidence it voids Hinderers warranty in every way lol

I guess all I can say is... Good marketing Hinderer

Bodog you'll find Hinderer is not alone in saying their products are made for xyz but in the same sentence saying if military, police, or first responders use it in xyz manner all warranty is void.

They make a living selling knives, they market them to us as tools we can depend on but back them up with a warranty made of a wet paper bag..
 
A long time ago I learned to handle, heavy blade folders with slick washers, with care when clipped in my pocket tip up. A Buck/Strider tanto was clipped in my pocket and stuck me pretty good, because the blade had jarred loose from walking. After that I kept it clipped with the spine tight against my pocket, or carried it in a belt sheath.
 
jill jackson said:
A long time ago I learned to handle, heavy blade folders with slick washers, with care when clipped in my pocket tip up. A Buck/Strider tanto was clipped in my pocket and stuck me pretty good, because the blade had jarred loose from walking. After that I kept it clipped with the spine tight against my pocket, or carried it in a belt sheath.
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Would you have considered that buck/strider knife fit for emergency personnel operating in hazardous environments when you have almost no control over when it opens? It'd be like a gun that can fire when you don't pull the trigger. It may be the best gun in the world but if it fired on its own when given a slight bump no professional in the world would even consider carrying it. Like I said, it sounds like he may have improved that safety so I cannot comment on his current offerings. Maybe they're great. Personally I've never had anything more than a cheap gas station knife that would open on its own aside from the xm18. That includes assisted and automatic opening knives. Oh well. Enjoy yours, that's what it's all about.
 
shinyedges said:
^Interesting read, I too am puzzled by the wording they market their knives with..

If your selling knives to military, police, first responders and telling them your knives are made to live up to the unusual tasks that those people will use the knife for then why make literally everything not covered under warranty?

I'm former military got out in 2012 and seen the unusual or abuse knives are used for and I can say with confidence it voids Hinderers warranty in every way lol



I guess all I can say is... Good marketing Hinderer

Bodog you'll find Hinderer is not alone in saying their products are made for xyz but in the same sentence saying if military, police, or first responders use it in xyz manner all warranty is void.

They make a living selling knives, they market them to us as tools we can depend on but back them up with a warranty made of a wet paper bag..
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Misleading advertising, with grandiose claims, is nothing new or unique to knives. Look at the recent Nissan GTR models. They specifically had a sophisticated "launch control" feature. Which Nissan specifically lauded. That which, if ever used, immediately voided the power train warranty. So...
 
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