Why so many Hinderers

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jj, thank you for clearing this up.
Now, was my early XM-18 a sole authorship custom ? Presumably it was and then demand increased so much he hired skilled help.
kj
 
kootenay joe said:
My post back on page one asked how much of an XM-18 is made by Rick Hinderer. The answer seems to be that making the parts is all contract work and assembly, finishing & sharpening is done in the Hinderer workshop but not by Rick himself.
Is this a reasonably accurate understanding ?
I had an XM-18 which i bought soon after Rick started making them. Bought it through a dealer who had been carrying Rick's knives for a few years at that point. My understanding was that it was a sole authorship custom knife made by Rick Hinderer.
Were those early XM-18's all made by Rick himself ?
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The article said that he CNC machines everything, has someone else do the blade hardening and finishing, and then someone puts them together. The article says Rick but it should be evident that's not the case every time. I'm sure the early gen 1 and Gen 2 models were made by Rick, but that's an assumption. I'm sure there's nothing out there that says exactly how little Rick plays in making knives with his name on it. But in reality that has little to do with the quality of the knives. Either they're high quality or not. I'm sure that's probably obvious once put into words.
 
bodog said:
The article said that he CNC machines everything, has someone else do the blade hardening and finishing, and then someone puts them together. The article says Rick but it should be evident that's not the case every time. I'm sure the early gen 1 and Gen 2 models were made by Rick, but that's an assumption. I'm sure there's nothing out there that says exactly how little Rick plays in making knives with his name on it. But in reality that has little to do with the quality of the knives. Either they're high quality or not. I'm sure that's probably obvious once put into words.
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You are again misreading and referencing a three year old article when Rick was more hands on.

Chris Reeve used to be a lot more involved in the Sebenza too...

At least Rick still hand grinds some blades (for the customs), you can't get a recent Sebenza that's even been touched by Chris.
 
Scurvy092 said:
You are again misreading and referencing a three year old article when Rick was more hands on.

Chris Reeve used to be a lot more involved in the Sebenza too...

At least Rick still hand grinds some blades (for the customs), you can't get a recent Sebenza that's even been touched by Chris.
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What was misread? And did I say anything other than what the article stated or make it appear I stated something that was any more current than when the article was posted?
 
bodog said:
What was misread? And did I say anything other than what the article stated or make it appear I stated something that was any more current than when the article was posted?
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Yes, you keep confusing FINISHING with FINISHES

They are two completely different things.

Sending out knife parts for DLC coating is way different then sending out raw machined parts for finishing so you can assemble them.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Yes, you keep confusing FINISHING with FINISHES

They are two completely different things.

Sending out knife parts for DLC coating is way different then sending out raw machined parts for finishing so you can assemble them.
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Ok. I guess the only way to get to the bottom of it is to have Rick come on and say exactly what his shop does and does not do. If he does everything but heat treatment and coatings, that wouldn't surprise me any more or less than if he farmed out more. No matter to me, I don't care one way or another. A dude asked a question, I said something that was partially accurate/inaccurate because it'd been awhile since I read the article, found the article, and posted it for posterity. I don't give a damn what he does in his shop. What I care about is the finished product and if he stands behind it. I have my opinions that've been beaten to death already.
 
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bodog said:
Ok. I guess the only way to get to the bottom of it is to have Rick come on and say exactly what his shop does and does not do.
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I don't think that really necessary. The only reason this is an issue is because you can't read a three year old article properly.

You can actually go to the Hinderer forum and read all the different generation descriptions and find out which ones were all hand ground by Rich and which ones they started going to machine ground.

Does anyone really care if he heat treats in house? I can assure he still isn't doing DLC coatings in house.

So it sounds like the majority of the article is still accurate and the one major change that has happened (Rick grinding) is already pretty well documented elsewhere.

Rick hasn't done anything shady or questionable to warrant the types of accusations you've been spewing in this thread and certainly don't warrant dragging Rick into your trolling to explain himself.
 
Quoting an article and saying "blade finishing" isn't trolling. As a matter of fact, I posit that you're trolling because you're not discussing just to discuss. You're coming after me for talking about a 3 year old article that's probably more succinct in its description than a bunch of scattered hearsay from people like you. A dude asked a question, I answered, sources were asked for and provided, and now you're on the attack. If you're not going to provide anything useful, then again, that's YOU trolling, buddy.

As far as accusations, I've not accused anyone of anything that isn't documented somewhere. They're not unwarranted and I have a right to my opinion. I'm not attacking you for liking his knives, you should return the same respect when I don't.
 
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I used to adore CRK, Strider, and Hinderer designs. Not anymore, happily liquidated them all.

Now hypothetically if I had a lot more money and I collected extremely expensive custom artactical knives, a couple Mick Strider custom tactical folders would probably be in the collection! No CRK, Strider brand, or Hinderers though.
 
bodog said:
Quoting an article and saying "blade finishing" isn't trolling. As a matter of fact, I posit that you're trolling because you're not discussing just to discuss. You're coming after me for talking about a 3 year old article that's probably more succinct in its description than a bunch of hearsay from people like you. A dude asked a question, I answered, sources were asked for and provided, and now you're on the attack. If you're not going to provide anything useful, then again, that's YOU trolling, buddy.
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Coming in and stating

bodog said:
They're not midtech. Almost all of the production has been outsourced. If everything but the screws have been sourced to other companies, would you call it a midtech?
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is trolling. You didn't post your article until a MODERATOR had to call you out after multiple people asked for proof. Then you misread the quote AGAIN by stating

'finishing' and 'blade finishing' multiple times when the quote in the article was actually:

"Except for finishes and heat treat, everything is done on-site."




I have not created any hearsay. I'm saying the article was ACCURATE when it was written three years ago and you are misreading it. Saying there is not reason to suspect anything has changed it not hearsay...


And correcting misinformation being spewed in a thread is not trolling.
 
I forsee a mod coming, very very soon... I also forsee a statement this mod might say... something of.. "discuss the topic, not each other".

And soon after, I forsee a thread lock.... hmm.. end visionary voice..
 
bodog said:
As far as accusations, I've not accused anyone of anything that isn't documented somewhere. They're not unwarranted and I have a right to my opinion. I'm not attacking you for liking his knives, you should return the same respect when I don't.
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This is an accusation and is not documented anywhere:

bodog said:
They're not midtech. Almost all of the production has been outsourced. If everything but the screws have been sourced to other companies, would you call it a midtech?
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Scurvy092 said:
This is an accusation and is not documented anywhere:
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I already explained that and do not hide that I remembered an old article saying machine centers and mistaking that for meaning some factory somewhere. I fixed that in subsequent posts when I saw it was incorrect.
 
I guess I should have gone off on Buck, when I stuck myself carrying one of theirs tip up, years ago and tried my best to pick everything about the company apart. But, I just figured I should watch myself about how I carry knives tip up, when out and about where a big heavy blade could jar loose, from my active life-style.
 
bodog said:
I already explained that and do not hide that I remembered an old article saying machine centers and mistaking that for meaning some factory somewhere. I fixed that in subsequent posts when I saw it was incorrect.
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Doesn't change the fact that you did it. You also still seem incapable of describing finishes different from finishing.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Can you?

You don't get to make an accusation and then demand someone proves you wrong.
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Cool. What I thought. You're saying something you have no idea if it's true or not. At least I'm backing what I say without genuinely attacking anyone here. If I said something inaccurate, I recanted, if I said something true, I stuck by it, and I've tempered my opinion with as much respect as I can knowing others are absolutely free to like something I don't. Maybe you should try it sometime.
 
bodog said:
Cool. What I thought. You're saying something you have no idea if it's true or not. At least I'm backing what I say without genuinely attacking anyone here. If I said something inaccurate, I recanted, if I said something true, I stuck by it, and I've tempered my opinion with as much respect as I can knowing others are absolutely free to like something I don't. Maybe you should try it sometime.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I missed the part where you conclusively proved that Hinderer has outsourced their blade grinding.
 
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