Why so many thread asking for rec. for a really thick folder?

Wow, I didn't know how insecure and inexperienced I was until I read this thread.
Thank you Bladeforums! :D

I wonder who's more insecure, people who buy what they like or people who feel that what's good enough for them should be good enough for everybody...
 
I wonder what traditonalists thought of the 110 when it first came out. I would imagine it was similar to the whole "tactical folder" craze in the 90's.

Me, I have no idea why people in General Discussion love their folding prybars. But, I can guarantee they feel the say way about the simple, cheap knives I like. They just work for me; I'll assume it's the same for other folks.
 
I wonder what traditonalists thought of the 110 when it first came out. I would imagine it was similar to the whole "tactical folder" craze in the 90's.

Me, I have no idea why people in General Discussion love their folding prybars. But, I can guarantee they feel the say way about the simple, cheap knives I like. They just work for me; I'll assume it's the same for other folks.

You guarantee? What is it about you that you think you know what other folks think?

I love my zt301's and I love my opinels in the same way a father loves his different children.
 
I used my DPX HEST to pry open a car door when a WW2 vet had been hit. I only had to move the door a half inch but with the engine starting to burn we had little time. His arms were cut up and he couldn't push the door open. I gave that particular knife to a LEO who survived a shooting. I replaced it immediately.



Faith in humanity restored
 
Judging from this post, thin knives make one into someone who psychoanalyzes random folks they don't know, despite a complete lack of credentials.
That's what I'd get from it, if I were the judging sort. ;)

"Judging from this post"...."If I were the judging sort..."

Have to agree with you, regardless.
:)
 
Maybe I should find my way over to the "What about knife people makes you laugh" thread for this, but I'm here and this thread was the creative inspiration so... the fact that a bunch of people can come together to discuss similar passions and interests in knives, but still find a way to constantly bicker about the details, makes me laugh. To be honest, I see the same thing on all the different hobby based forums I belong to, so it actually appears to be more cultural than anything, but it's still funny how spun up some people get.

Personally, I have thick one's, I have thin ones, I have long ones, and I have short ones. If you need a specific knife to accomplish a specific goal, then buy one. If not, and it's all for fun and enjoyment, then buy and carry whatever floats your boat, or just sit home and masterblade to it, it's your money. Don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong because you like something they don't. Chances are, more often than not, they have no experience with it, but have somehow formed an expert opinion on it. If you're a cowboy, and a Sodbuster works for you, great. Average Joe, and you prefer a WH e10, fantastic. Work in a cubical, and pocket a SAK everyday, perfect. If a IT professional wants carry a Cold Steel Espada XL, I say rock on dude. Live your own life, with your own knife.
 
I used my DPX HEST to pry open a car door when a WW2 vet had been hit. I only had to move the door a half inch but with the engine starting to burn we had little time. His arms were cut up and he couldn't push the door open. I gave that particular knife to a LEO who survived a shooting. I replaced it immediately.





That is the .01% of the time that the knife that is a "folding prybar" becomes useful. Thank you for your incredibly kind deed you did for that man.


And my answer to the question is this. I like big knives. I always have, even my first knife was a gerber with a 3.5in blade.
My edc for the past 6 months has been a benchmade 810 contego, and I have a zt 0560 coming in today. Could I get by with a spyderco delica? Of course, but that's not my preference nor is it the kind of knife I would like to spend my money on.
 
I fell for the thick, overbuilt folder bandwagon for a while (maybe 6 months). I've sold most of mine, they just are bulky, take up a lot of room in the pocket, and I'm not out there chopping down trees, I work in an office typing all day. I found I prefer blades 3.5" and under. I only have three folders left that might be considered "overbuilt" or "hard use." They are the ZT0801, CS Recon 1, and Spyderco Gayle Bradley. I have a DPX HEAT on the way, but I wanted something under 2.5" that is a little more substantial than my Spyderco Dragonfly ZDP-189 for I go into the city of Chicago.

I've had a Strider SnG, LionSteel SR1-A, Hogue EX-01 4", and ZT0350TS. All were far more than what I need.
 
Maybe I should find my way over to the "What about knife people makes you laugh" thread for this, but I'm here and this thread was the creative inspiration so... the fact that a bunch of people can come together to discuss similar passions and interests in knives, but still find a way to constantly bicker about the details, makes me laugh. To be honest, I see the same thing on all the different hobby based forums I belong to, so it actually appears to be more cultural than anything, but it's still funny how spun up some people get.

Personally, I have thick one's, I have thin ones, I have long ones, and I have short ones. If you need a specific knife to accomplish a specific goal, then buy one. If not, and it's all for fun and enjoyment, then buy and carry whatever floats your boat, or just sit home and masterblade to it, it's your money. Don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong because you like something they don't. Chances are, more often than not, they have no experience with it, but have somehow formed an expert opinion on it. If you're a cowboy, and a Sodbuster works for you, great. Average Joe, and you prefer a WH e10, fantastic. Work in a cubical, and pocket a SAK everyday, perfect. If a IT professional wants carry a Cold Steel Espada XL, I say rock on dude. Live your own life, with your own knife.

Bingo! It's amazing how different preferences can trigger a shit hemorrhage with some folks.
 
I am surprised at the turn on this thread. So to reassure some, it is OK to carry a knife simply because you want to or because you like it. If you find it suits your purposes and you can actually use it, that's another point in favor of knife. I don't think anyone should have to feel like they have Freudian issues, a lack of manly confidence, Mother issues, a lack of overall understanding of knife use, or more importantly, feel like they have to agree with the herd mentality.

I posted earlier in this thread about a big, thick folder that I just purchased. For me, it probably won't see much pocket time and I seriously doubt it will be of much real use in my line of work. In some cases, that knife would be excellent, even if it is for someone that wants to carry it because they like it.

And speaking of carrying a knife because they like it, these threads seem to devolve into folks expressing what their favorite knife pattern and size is, then declaring "that's all anyone needs". If we only carried what we needed, many could probably do just fine with an tiny SAK or a box cutter. Quite likely, most would need no knife at all. Think of all the days many here don't use their knife during the day, or use it for a task that another instrument would serve better. For example, wouldn't a letter opener work just as well for opening mail? Wouldn't a kitchen knife work better for food chores? Couldn't you just step on that pesky FedEx package and mash it before throwing it away rather than having to "break it down"?

I carry a RAT1 and a Kershaw Tremor a lot. Every day except a non work day, I always have something like that in my pocket or in my tool bags. I have no fear of masculinity or manliness, probably from being in the construction trades for almost 40 years now. I carry those knives (deemed silly and useless by many) because they were to me the next evolution up from the Buck 110. They have reasonable steel in their blades, are big enough to use for larger tasks like cutting load bindings, rope, thick plastic keepers on 5 gallon adhesive buckets, and a host of other tasks. I can use them (read: open and close) them with gloves on. Since they are made from all synthetic materials, I clean them with charcoal lighter fluid and oil their pivots with whatever I have on hand when I get tar and adhesives on them. They keep working and I keep carrying them.

It is not a lack of understanding of how knives work. It is not a tip of the hat to the mall ninjas. I don't think I am an "operator" nor do I play one on TV. I buy this type of knife for its utility, having ruined or unnecessarily shortened the lives of several smaller, less heavily built knives of which I found their overall performance to be unsatisfactory.

Robert

You're a good man. Very informative, although I can see both yours and Jack's point. Although I am a relatively young man (26) I tend to favor classic time tested knives like the Sodbuster, the Buck 110, or others. Despite two handed knives being difficult for me to open while standing since I use a cane in my right hand, for some reason I still favor them. Not sure why, in a way they are a lot less convenient.

Having said that, I like a lot of modern stuff too. Today I have a Cold Steel Medium Voyager in my pocket, and I really like my own Kershaw Tremor and Rat-1 and Utilitac knives.

I really like larger blades that are carried in a belt pouch. There's no logical reason for it I guess, I don't know why, I just like them, and like carrying them on my belt.

It would be nice if I could open a Buck 110 one-handed (I tried adding a one-armed bandit but was too afraid when opening it might come off and the blade would snap back on me) but other than that, I love it for the classic it is. I have several more modern two handed Kershaws I like to carry too. No idea why given they can be inconvenient... I just like them.
 
I class myself as a somewhat reluctant yielding traditionalist. If I can see an advantage in something, I'll grudgingly adapt and use it. But I worship at the alter of the God of effectiveness. I demand that whatever I have, function at the peak. I have little patience for style over function, no matter if cars, motorcycles, guns, or knives. In my life, I actually have tried the hyped and stylish, and most often been very disappointed in the performance of the item. I drive a 13 year old truck with real crank windows and spartan equipment. But the better halts car needed to be replaced, and she likes comfort, so we got a Toyota Camry with everything. Back-up camera, built in GPS on the little screen that also shows computer readouts of gas milage at present, gas milage past 15 minutes, range left on this tank of gas and other stuff. Once I learned how to use this stuff, I had to grudgingly admit it made life easier on the road. Now that she's also retired, we travel a lot, and a nice car on the road with the goodies is a nice thing. Even if I initially caught it, I had to admit the better half was right.

Like I said, I can applaud the few Spyderco's I've seen that actually cut well. Cutting well is what a knife is supposed to do. I can see why some people like the one hand opening, it's convenient. And as long as it doesn't interfere with function, okay. But the modern knife market is still busy trying to keep the artificially created demand going by introducing the "new and more uber cool" knife that is a must have. Some of these laughable objects of obsession are just overly hyped more of the same crazy designed that don't work as well as a Spyderco Delica or Kershaw whatever. The outrageous designs are to provide something different looking, and even a touch of sinister dark ops kind of mystique. Never mind they may have a handle that would raise blisters if the knife was used for "Hard Work".

I had the great God given fortune to have had three great mentors to learn from in my life. My old man, a real piece of work, my scoutmaster who was an old WW2 Marine, and Bill Moran, who taught me more about industrial design than I could have ever learned on my own. Bill made camp knives from 1/8 stock, and as a demonstration he'd wang them side on against the anvil in his shop to show they wouldn't break. Then he'd go out back to the woods in back of his shop and in 30 seconds or less, a couple of chops, he'd take down a 2 1/2 inch sapling. Bill made 1/8 stock "Hard Use" knives, so I look a bit sideways at some of the junk I see knife companies selling. Gimmicky design just for the sake of stimulating sales.

I'm a curmudgeonly old grouch sometimes as I know I'm close to the final approach, and slow to accept new stuff, but I don't see why we can't be friends. Worse comes to worse, we can just agree to disagree. :D

I'm going to call you out, sir.

Please provide examples of work for which ANY Spyderco* folder "doesn't cut well" enough to get the job done, and for which a typical slip joint yields an actual improvement in the end result.


*or Benchmade, or Zero Tolerance/Kershaw, or CRKT, or CRK, or...


When you get right down to it, all of these things cut. There really aren't many jobs being done that one will do and another won't, and "cut well" is turning into a piece of language trotted around by Opinel fans who like to ignore that a thick-stock blade like the Benchmade 755 MPR is fully capable of doing the same jobs just fine. It's tails to the "hard use" heads on the blade preference coin.
 
The SnG, is a somewhat thin, light in weight, EDC folder design and that thick blade can be made incredibly sharp. The design alone is worth getting one. The SnG is a perfect modern pocket knife, imo.
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I'm going to call you out, sir.

Please provide examples of work for which ANY Spyderco* folder "doesn't cut well" enough to get the job done, and for which a typical slip joint yields an actual improvement in the end result.


*or Benchmade, or Zero Tolerance/Kershaw, or CRKT, or CRK, or...


When you get right down to it, all of these things cut. There really aren't many jobs being done that one will do and another won't, and "cut well" is turning into a piece of language trotted around by Opinel fans who like to ignore that a thick-stock blade like the Benchmade 755 MPR is fully capable of doing the same jobs just fine. It's tails to the "hard use" heads on the blade preference coin.

Disagree. There are jobs where it isn't about cutting, but rather precision slicing. The thickness of a knife can make a huge difference when you're not just cutting something thin in two.

An easy test of the difference is to get some extremely thick cardboard(two or three layers), and try to cut it all the way through while holding it your hand with both thick and thin bladed knives. No matter how sharp you get that thick knife, it will never cut as well.

However, it will do the job for most people, and if that is what they like, why bug them about it? People want different things. And the whole thick folder vs fixed blade argument is pretty simple as well. People want something out of sight in their pocket, that can take a beating. I personally do not beat up my knives despite cutting with them seemingly every ten minutes, but to each their own.
 
Disagree. There are jobs where it isn't about cutting, but rather precision slicing. The thickness of a knife can make a huge difference when you're not just cutting something thin in two.

An easy test of the difference is to get some extremely thick cardboard(two or three layers), and try to cut it all the way through while holding it your hand with both thick and thin bladed knives. No matter how sharp you get that thick knife, it will never cut as well.

However, it will do the job for most people, and if that is what they like, why bug them about it? People want different things. And the whole thick folder vs fixed blade argument is pretty simple as well. People want something out of sight in their pocket, that can take a beating. I personally do not beat up my knives despite cutting with them seemingly every ten minutes, but to each their own.

Disagree.

If we're going to make common use statements explaining why people don't really need "hard use" folders, then we have to acknowledge that precision cutting of a sort that requires a thin blade is also not common use.

Where somebody says, "lol hard use is for fixies!", it can be said, "lol precision cuts are for xacto blades!"


My point with all of this is probably one we actually agree on: the vast majority of what enthusiasts do is extreme hair splitting. We seek to squeeze every tiny advantage out of our equipment, so we talk about things like relative lock strength, handle size vs hand fatigue, etc. Understanding that we ALL do this, it is very silly to poke people who carry "hard use folders" and in the same post split hairs by saying something doesn't "cut well".
 
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