Why the $old???

Triton · Dec 17, 2018

ArchVV said:
So much consternation (or constipation?).....perhaps it is done it to protect the market for other sellers on BF?

Say, for example, I and 10 other members have a Delica for sale all priced at $60 and listed at approximately the same time on the exchange. Now, for whatever reason, I get an offer of $30 and decide to take it. Should I leave "SOLD for $30" up on my thread while others are still legitimately trying to get $60 for their Delicas? That has never seemed fair to other members IMO. BF Exchange shoppers are very shrewd and will take advantage of any chance to save miserly amounts of $.

Yes. In my opinion you should.

Night Rider · Dec 17, 2018

91bravo said:
If you hang out in the Manufacturers subforums and watch the exchange, you'll know the rough ballpark that a certain knife sells for.

Thanks for that tip 91bravo, :thumbsup:

I never gave that a thought.

91bravo · Dec 17, 2018

No problem. Anyone that hangs out here, knows the prices of knives. Those who don't, don't do their due diligence!

hhmoore · Dec 17, 2018

ArchVV said:
Say, for example, I and 10 other members have a Delica for sale all priced at $60 and listed at approximately the same time on the exchange. Now, for whatever reason, I get an offer of $30 and decide to take it. Should I leave "SOLD for $30" up on my thread while others are still legitimately trying to get $60 for their Delicas?

I'm not sure why anybody would go back and change the asking price to reflect a lower accepted offer. That makes no sense.

Lapedog said:
There’s no reason you would have to edit the price in the thread to what was the negotiated final price.

People could atleast leave the original asking price so people have some idea.

rje58 · Dec 17, 2018

In my opinion, that's ridiculous and short-sighted.

Triton said:
Yes. In my opinion you should.

ArchVV · Dec 17, 2018

I'm sorry, I must be suffering a logical roadblock here, but I do not see the utility in this beyond people being too lazy to consult the myriad other sources for prices of knives. I though I had a legitimate ethical perspective on this, but I guess I am off-base and if it truly benefits other members to leave the initial asking price then that should be the norm. Is this something mods have an opinion on (if only through PM :thumbsup:

)??? This comes up every month or so.....

miso2 · Dec 17, 2018

Curious.
I would understand for those selling a lot of knives to conceal how much money they make for privacy and taxation.
Otherwise, it would be nice to be able to see the listed prices.

Peter Hartwig · Dec 17, 2018

on_the_edge · Dec 17, 2018

miso2 said:
Curious.
I would understand for those selling a lot of knives to conceal how much money they make for privacy and taxation.
Otherwise, it would be nice to be able to see the listed prices.

How does the sale of a knife result in potential taxation to a private seller or buyer, and exactly who is keeping track of and enforcing this?

Triton · Dec 18, 2018

rje58 said:
In my opinion, that's ridiculous and short-sighted.

Why?

Triton · Dec 18, 2018

ArchVV said:
I'm sorry, I must be suffering a logical roadblock here, but I do not see the utility in this beyond people being too lazy to consult the myriad other sources for prices of knives. I though I had a legitimate ethical perspective on this, but I guess I am off-base and if it truly benefits other members to leave the initial asking price then that should be the norm. Is this something mods have an opinion on (if only through PM )??? This comes up every month or so.....

I do not see this as being something that needs mod intervention or am I a big fan of "for the good of the community" crusades. I am simply noting that it would be a nice resource to see what a particular knife is selling for.

miso2 · Dec 18, 2018

on_the_edge said:
How does the sale of a knife result in potential taxation to a private seller or buyer, and exactly who is keeping track of and enforcing this?

I don't know.
But if you have an intention to make money in exchange and actually make money through repeated sales, wouldn't it be considered "business"?
Of course, no one keeps track of it, but someone may pick it up when you suddenly buy an expensive car or something.

Peter Hartwig · Dec 18, 2018

miso2 said:
Of course, no one keeps track of it, but someone may pick it up when you suddenly buy an expensive car or something.

Not many out there making any money, much less big money
Now my losses could add up to a decent sum

miso2 · Dec 18, 2018

Peter Hartwig said:
Not many out there making any money, much less big money

Yeah, I guess.
Unless you obtain a large collection of high end knives from late somebody for free.
Unlikely.

Khanvoy44 · Dec 18, 2018

Nothing is overpriced as long as someone is willing to buy it!
I have paid over and above the given value of a blade because I had to have it! Every resource at my fingertips in seconds. Perhaps I had a partial trade or knew the seller. Due diligence is the key. Left wing conspiracy theories with the amount of information available at a keystroke...please!!!!
Every sale, every trade is semantics. How bad do you want it? What are you willing to give for it? Do you have any things the seller wants to seal the deal? Buying, selling or trading is unique to that transaction. You cannot regulate, subsidize it for your own personal reference. In this forum you cannot shout someone down until they agree to your view.
No conspiracy, no bias unless you bring it in.
Do not over think your position. Family matters. Insurgents watched carefully. We are a family, no bias, no lies, no games. No conspiracy. I will be pleased to send ample amounts of cheese to go with your wine, just provide an address. With all due respect, I have spoken more now than in the 2 years I have been a member.

Jsega51 · Dec 18, 2018

Lapedog said:
There’s no reason you would have to edit the price in the thread to what was the negotiated final price.

People could atleast leave the original asking price so people have some idea.

As someone else pointed out, if I left the price in, I used to get messages asking if the item was really sold or still available, so I started taking the price out.

I’m only into traditionals and if you watch that exchange, there’s new sales threads just about every hour it seems. Between those sales and all of the dealers websites, it’s easy to see what the knives are selling for.

madcap_magician · Dec 18, 2018

I leave a record of my asking prices in my sales threads and use the strikethrough text formatting to mark reductions. If I get a PM or e-mail offer that I accept that is below my asking price, I don't retroactively add that to the listing.

rje58 · Dec 18, 2018

Triton said:
Why?

In order to answer that, I have to go back and refer to the post where you replied "In my opinion, yes you should."

It was this one:

ArchVV said: ↑
So much consternation (or constipation?).....perhaps it is done it to protect the market for other sellers on BF?

Say, for example, I and 10 other members have a Delica for sale all priced at $60 and listed at approximately the same time on the exchange. Now, for whatever reason, I get an offer of $30 and decide to take it. Should I leave "SOLD for $30" up on my thread while others are still legitimately trying to get $60 for their Delicas? That has never seemed fair to other members IMO. BF Exchange shoppers are very shrewd and will take advantage of any chance to save miserly amounts of $.

Because I agree with ArchVV who said "Should I leave "SOLD for $30" up on my thread while others are still legitimately trying to get $60 for their Delicas? That has never seemed fair to other members IMO."

The other issue I have with the whole thing is those who would attempt to manipulate secondary market prices - higher by leaving up unrealistically high asking prices when they actually sold for 40% less - or giving a good friend a special deal via PM and changing their $60 asking price to 'SOLD $30' in an attempt to move values lower. It would even be possible to try to manipulate prices or subvert another members sale by posting a listing for the same or similar knife and use the frequently seen "cross posted" note, then say 'sold on another venue for $25'.

The bottom line is: I don't depend primarily on asking price on BF to determine secondary market values that I would pay or accept, neither would I rely on equally questionable "$SOLD" values, if they were there, which they almost never are. As others have mentioned, to do so would seem to me like an unreliable and lazy or 'last resort' method to determine secondary market values.

kniferbro · Dec 18, 2018

benchwarmer380 said:
Sore subject for you, mate?

Haha, not at all actually. I don't really sell or buy on the secondary. Just getting at the fact that once the transaction is done, the seller has acquired what they wanted ($$$) and has no motivation to assist posterity.

uxo2 · Dec 18, 2018

I do it because everyone else does it.
On some sites you have to leave the price up after it sells.

But the real reason why it is changed to $old.
You will not see that the BM Ritter bubble popped.
$75.00-120.00

Honestly I will try not to.

Why the $old???

Farts rainbows.