Why Won't Noss Stand Behind His "Work?"

[Esav Benyamin]

Give it up dude, please. Instead of trying to compel some else to do what you what them to do, go do something yourself. You don't like what he does, but you DO nothing yourself. Action speaks. Please go do some better tests so that everyone can praise your public tranparency, and the credibilty and reliability of how you (would) do it. Step up or step out.

Ignorance is not attractive. Sharp Phil does not hammer knives but he does evaluate them. His reviews are serious and open and he does stand behind them. You could check out his website before you toss grandiose accusations around.

Nowhere on Bladeforums do we tell anyone to use a real name instead of a username. Some members would prefer we do so, but no forum policy mandates or even suggests it. Neither do we tell anyone to become expert in any field they choose to come here and critique.

So either way you look at it, your post is less than meaningful. Welcome to the club.

 

[randyha]

I'm not holding him to a higher standard. I'm holding him to a basic standard of responsibility, or attempting to do so. I don't expect to be successful, but the public question had to be asked.

Could you please ask the public question again? I'm not quite sure you have made it clear enough. Please, keep asking the question, over and over and over and over and over.......

 

[neeman]

Phil,

I am not voicing my opinion about Noss either way.

Let say, you are right.

Now what?

Why are you so angry about it?
Why can't you walk away from it.
What is it hits you so hard you need to attack so radically?

This all seems to counter the very clever writer on a website I enjoy reading.

Arn't you bigger than all of this?
If you see him as a fool, then suffer the fool.

Please walk away from this fight.

Respectfully,

Neeman

 

[Phil Elmore]

Could you please ask the public question again? I'm not quite sure you have made it clear enough. Please, keep asking the question, over and over and over and over and over.......

If the defenders of this "Noss" are going to keep complaining, I'm going to keep asking the question.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Why are you so angry about it?

Why do you equate the expression of a moral principle with anger?

Why can't you walk away from it.

Why would I need to "walk away" from it?

What is it hits you so hard you need to attack so radically?

Why is asking someone to stand behind their public criticism in an equally public fashion a "radical attack?"

This all seems to counter the very clever writer on a website I enjoy reading.

If my work has any consistent theme, it is adherence to moral principle. I don't find asking this question at all contrary to that.

Arn't you bigger than all of this?

"Bigger" than a simple question of basic responsibility? I hope not.

If you see him as a fool, then suffer the fool.

I don't suffer fools. I walk away from nothing. But these are, I think, qualities worth possessing.

Please don't fret over it. And thank you for the compliment.

 

[busselover]

If the defenders of this "Noss" are going to keep complaining, I'm going to keep asking the question.

Not everyone is defending him. Some are simply tired of being subjected to your self-righteous preaching. Can't you go save the world somewhere else, where someone actual cares???

 

[Guyon]

The mask has always bothered me, and I've posted about it in the past. I've even received curt PMs from noss4 indicating that he is beholden to no one to reveal his identity. Despite the mask and the anonymity it offers, however, I think noss4 actually loves the attention. I'm sure he's getting a kick out of this very poll because it raises the level of awareness regarding his so-called "tests." One need but go back to some of his first posts here at BFC to see his neediness when it comes to getting attention.

It's true that plenty of reviews occur here at BFC with no real names attached. However, noss4 is not just posting the occasional review on a bulletin board. He has formed his own website, posted videos to YouTube, begun his own forums, etc. He has received multiple knives (for free) from people who want to see them destroyed. (I'm still scratching my head over this behavior.) noss4 wants the attention, and he's gotten it by beating knives to destruction. He's the Bear Grylls of knife testing who garners attention by taking action to a hyperbolic extreme. As such, he has raised the stakes when it comes to effects on knife makers and their reputations.

As such, I happen to agree that there is an ethical obligation to stand behind his actions with his own name.

 

[randyha]

Ignorance is not attractive. Sharp Phil does not hammer knives but he does evaluate them. His reviews are serious and open and he does stand behind them. You could check out his website before you toss grandiose accusations around. QUOTE]

Thank you. I appreciate your helping me understand something of which I wasn't aware. I will check it out. By the way, your manner of pointing this out is not necessarily very "attractive", as you say.

Nevertheless, this sort of makes the point. If he's satisfied with his methods, but continues to have such a burr in his saddle about someone else, either he's being put up to defend someone else that has been critiqued and didn't like it (which would be opposed to his own rant about public transparency), or, he just has some personal grudge or his feelings got hurt in some way and bringing Noss down is his way of building himself up.

Perfect, he does his tests; Noss does his test. One of them doesn't publically reveal his identity, the other displays his hurt feelings publicly. Looks pretty fair to me.

 

[Derek24]

The point remains: If "Noss" is going to publicly criticize the work of others, he should be willing to stand behind that work, publicly. It's really a pretty simple matter of honesty and integrity. Yes, lots of people talk trash and use the anonymity of the Internet to hide behind. This doesn't make it right -- and in the case of "Noss," it means we shouldn't take him seriously. The fact that so many do take him seriously is the problem.

Attempting to insult me in your eagerness to defend his behavior doesn't really accomplish either goal.

I must say, I've thought about this from time to time. If a newbie knifenut was to take the tests seriously, would it be a disservice? Maybe. One can only hope the newbie has the intelligence to do more research and come to forums to pose serious questions and get opinions and varied experiences about said knife from a community rather than one individual.

 

[kgd]

The people whose work "Noss" criticizes don't have the luxury of hiding behind hockey masks; they have to stand by their work no matter how many people come away from an anonymous critic's YouTube video forming conclusions about the products that may or may not be fairly formed.

The people whose work Noss criticizes are selling products. They are under a legal obligation to make their corporate name, address and identity of customer service representatives known in order to engage in legal trade. They have to pay taxes on revenues and show proof of fiscal accounting. They have to make good on warranty claims and demonstrate that their product does as it is claimed to do. They are public figures by necessity of their business practice.

Noss isn't selling a product. His criticism are his opinions and views as all individuals have the right to formulate. His website represents his arguments about how he formulated his opinion. He is entitled to his views and opinions. Whether it is under a pseudonym or not has nothing to do with whether he bears any responsibility for his actions. He bears no responsibilities for his opinions. He is not breaking any laws. He is not engaged in any malicious activities. Knowing his identity doesn't any of change this.

SunnyD - you have made your opinions about Noss' testing methodology well known. Do you really think that your opinions of him would change if you suddenly new his name? If the answer is no (which I suspect it is and you are fully entitled to that), then does this not support the fact that this thread makes little or no sense?

 

[randyha]

If the defenders of this "Noss" are going to keep complaining, I'm going to keep asking the question.

All that has to be done is to rattle the tackle box and you keep jumping into the boat.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Not everyone is defending him. Some are simply tired of being subjected to your self-righteous preaching. Can't you go save the world somewhere else, where someone actual cares???

Yes, yes, yes, you don't care. We get that. Yet you keep reading and responding to this thread.

 

[Phil Elmore]

The people whose work Noss criticizes are selling products. They are under a legal obligation to make their corporate name, address and identity of customer service representatives known in order to engage in legal trade. They have to pay taxes on revenues and show proof of fiscal accounting. They have to make good on warranty claims and demonstrate that their product does as it is claimed to do. They are public figures by necessity of their business practice.

Noss isn't selling a product. His criticism are his opinions and views as all individuals have the right to formulate. His website represents his arguments about how he formulated his opinion. He is entitled to his views and opinions. Whether it is under a pseudonym or not has nothing to do with whether he bears any responsibility for his actions. He bears no responsibilities for his opinions. He is not breaking any laws. He is not engaged in any malicious activities. Knowing his identity doesn't any of change this.

SunnyD - you have made your opinions about Noss' testing methodology well known. Do you really think that your opinions of him would change if you suddenly new his name? If the answer is no (which I suspect it is and you are fully entitled to that), then does this not support the fact that this thread makes little or no sense?

No one is claiming that he's breaking the law. There's legality, and there's responsibility.

 

[Guyon]

Noss isn't selling a product.

Very true. But he is selling an image IMO. One that he's built up with repeated posts, videos, a web site, a forum, etc. His pay hasn't been dollars, but rather the notoriety in which he seems to revel. He's gained "fans" in the same way that Cliff Stamp had his acolytes.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Phil Elmore]

The mask has always bothered me, and I've posted about it in the past. I've even received curt PMs from noss4 indicating that he is beholden to no one to reveal his identity. Despite the mask and the anonymity it offers, however, I think noss4 actually loves the attention. I'm sure he's getting a kick out of this very poll because it raises the level of awareness regarding his so-called "tests." One need but go back to some of his first posts here at BFC to see his neediness when it comes to getting attention.

It's true that plenty of reviews occur here at BFC with no real names attached. However, noss4 is not just posting the occasional review on a bulletin board. He has formed his own website, posted videos to YouTube, begun his own forums, etc. He has received multiple knives (for free) from people who want to see them destroyed. (I'm still scratching my head over this behavior.) noss4 wants the attention, and he's gotten it by beating knives to destruction. He's the Bear Grylls of knife testing who garners attention by taking action to a hyperbolic extreme. As such, he has raised the stakes when it comes to effects on knife makers and their reputations.

As such, I happen to agree that there is an ethical obligation to stand behind his actions with his own name.

That is, succinctly put, exactly the issue.

 

[busselover]

Yes, yes, yes, you don't care. We get that. Yet you keep reading and responding to this thread.

Guess we have something in common after all!

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Not everyone is defending him. Some are simply tired of being subjected to your self-righteous preaching. Can't you go save the world somewhere else, where someone actual cares???

I see Sharp "The Mind Bender" Phil's awesome powers of mental control are keeping you from turning away and reading some other thread!

 

[Phil Elmore]

I know; I promised I'd stop doing that.

 

[busselover]

I see Sharp "The Mind Bender" Phil's awesome powers of mental control are keeping you from turning away and reading some other thread!

you and me both! astounding ,isn't it?

 

[tomcrx]

I think you need to ask yourself why you have to turn to childish personal attacks in order to defend the anonymous activities of this "Noss." Is it because, fundamentally, you can't actually offer a reasoned argument in his defense?

Strawman polls, attacking the man, etc Phil that has been your behaviour the whole thread. With you a debate is beating a dead horse until the thread dies then you can pronounce you win. It is never about facts or logic. I don't need to defend the man his videos speak for themselves, it was never about Noss or his identity you brought that to the table. Don't like em, don't watch em. Want to know who Noss is email him and ask.