Why Won't Noss Stand Behind His "Work?"

[shecky]

The point remains: If "Noss" is going to publicly criticize the work of others, he should be willing to stand behind that work, publicly.

Noss has stood behind his work publicly. He documents the tests with video, and posts them for all to see. That is publicly standing behind his work.

You criticize him for remaining anonymous, but have yet to explain why anonymity actually affects the quality of his work. As such, I conclude that his anonymity has no discernable effect on the quality of his work and is irrelevant.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I told you I was sorry. How was I to know you were a dwarf. Get over it.

This is Knife Reviews and Testing, not Whine & Cheese.
Upgrade your mode of personal interaction.

 

[Culpeper]

What a douchebag thread.

Uh huh. This thread started out with an honest well thought out opinion with nothing but the best of intentions. So, I've been led to believe. People before principles is the prevailing wind. Sharp Phil has every right to start a thread in this forum with the sole purpose of demeaning a member in good standing. And the bottom line is is that the Kangaroo Court has so stated. It is what it is.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

As such, I conclude that his anonymity has no discernable effect on the quality of his work and is irrelevant.

Thereby ignoring everything SharpPhil said about the value of publishing under a real name.

Even ignoring the quality of the work, the effect of the published reports is not nil.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Keep pushing the envelope, Culpeper.
I'm waiting for you to push it over the edge.

 

[sunnyd]

I told you I was sorry. How was I to know you were a dwarf. Get over it.

You don't apologize, you mock and make light of your offensive remarks to folks. You continue with this insulting nonsense and apparently don't know when to quit. Your derogatory remarks only serve to show your true character, or lack thereof. Posing as an (Internet) tough guy hiding behind the safety of your keyboard makes one appear much weaker than they would be in person and much less likely for good folks to take you seriously.

I have not the luxury of wasting my time with you any longer.

Congratulations, in four and a half years at bf, you are the first one to make my ignore list.

 

[Culpeper]

*Yawn*

And anybody can quote me on that. I just realized this guy quoted Weird Al. You never know what the monkey eats until it poops.

 

[busselover]

There are no victims here; there is only integrity and its lack.

your definitions and your opinions. You know what they say about opinions...

I have stated plainly that I think you should be willing to take public responsibility for public criticism of others' work. "Noss" has plenty of defenders who see no problem with what he does, and that, too, is part of the problem being underscored.

More opinions. And it mainly seems to be only your problem.

Declaring a premise "shot" doesn't actually make it so -- and defending irresponsible behavior doesn't magically make that behavior any less reprehensible.

More opinions. More judgments.

You seem to have the misguided belief that your opinions A) matter and B) actually mean something to someone other than yourself.

Preachy moral indignation doesn't win any arguments....trying to push your belief system down others throats hasn't been popular of late either....

Just go buy a bunch of Super cool BUSSE knives and be happy!

 

[kgd]

I agree with Shecky on this one. The handle, Noss, is a public identity. Noss publishes under this name via his website and through his discourse on this forum by using this as his handle. When members want to address this individual they do so by contacting him through this pseudonym. The simple fact of the matter is if Noss were to switch to his real identity, then most people wouldn't recognize him.

Sear's wrote under the pseudonym Nesmuk. I guess he didn't know what he was talking about because he chose to use an aboriginal name instead of his own. My wife continues to publish using her maiden name. Why, because she started publishing work before she met me and has gained a reputation in her first name. This doesn't make her work any less reputable. It doesn't make peer review any more difficult to perform. Now if Noss were to be switching identities and claiming to confirm his results then that could be construed as fraudulent - others have been banned from BF for doing this. In this case, it could be argued that he wasn't being publicly accountable. As far as I know, he hasn't done this. He uses the handle Noss and sticks to it.

As Shecky states, the OP argument of lack of public accountability is really just misdirection. He has a public identity, the very fact that we can produce this thread which he is privy to read indicates that he is publicly accountable. If he oversteps the bounds of the forum, he can get kicked off just like anybody else. He hasn't done any such thing. He hasn't even slandered any companies apart from doing his hobby and reporting his findings. Why do some people want to stop him? Are they not contributing to his fame by polarizing the attitudes towards his work?

As Shecky states, if you want to criticize his work, then criticize his work - not the man doing it. If you want to criticize something he says, then quote him and criticize what he said. At least that exercise would be meaningful. If you want to expose him as a fraud than replicate his findings and show that his tests are unrepeatable.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Establishing a false public persona behind which to hide is not the same as taking public responsibility for his work. The whole point of the persona is that it conceals his identity, which means he bears no actual responsibility to the people whose work he publicly criticizes.

 

[sunnyd]

I wish to post the following (post # 33) from a recent thread-poll regarding Noss' testing methods where I stated my position on the subject. I am no stranger to firearms and knives of many types from different makers. I have been using them since my first hunting and fishing trips with my Uncles since the 1960's Hopefully you all will see where I am comming from here.


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600896&page=7


I wish Noss no ill will and hope he realizes that credibility and accountability go hand in hand. When he eventually conducts his 'testing' sessions out in the open without identity concealment I know he will find his reputation will increase 10X fold.

 

[Ravaillac]

I voted for Noss is Cliff Stamp because I found the idea hilarious.

As for why he's using a pseudonym, like 99.99% of this forum members: maybe he doesn't want his boss or any loser capable to type his name in google to know about his knife hobby and knife opinions because that's none of their business.

One may note that Cliff Stamp was among the rare persons to use his real name before he got banned so blaming for using a pseudonym is quite odd. And his tests and posts didn't look that much like that noss guy's

As for those tests value, well that's additional information: all good as long as you remember limitations.

 

[randyha]

Establishing a false public persona behind which to hide is not the same as taking public responsibility for his work. The whole point of the persona is that it conceals his identity, which means he bears no actual responsibility to the people whose work he publicly criticizes.

Give it up dude, please. Instead of trying to compel some else to do what you what them to do, go do something yourself. You don't like what he does, but you DO nothing yourself. Action speaks. Please go do some better tests so that everyone can praise your public tranparency, and the credibilty and reliability of how you (would) do it. Step up or step out.

 

[Morales]

The whole point of the persona is that it conceals his identity, which means he bears no actual responsibility to the people whose work he publicly criticizes.

How many people on this board, on the internet conceal their identity? Why does it have to be noss? Just because of the attention his tests and his methods get? By repeating your idea its quality is unlikely to increase

Justin Gingrich knows what Noss looks like without the mask, and I'm sure other makers wouldn't have much trouble finding out either. Chris Reeve and Jerry Busse have his name and address. He's not hiding from makers.

So some of these people know who he is. Did they ask you to defend them? There has to be a reason for this thread..I hope.

 

[Phil Elmore]

I voted for Noss is Cliff Stamp because I found the idea hilarious.

As for why he's using a pseudonym, like 99.99% of this forum members: maybe he doesn't want his boss or any loser capable to type his name in google to know about his knife hobby and knife opinions because that's none of their business.

One may note that Cliff Stamp was among the rare persons to use his real name before he got banned so blaming for using a pseudonym is quite odd. And his tests and posts didn't look that much like that noss guy's

As for those tests value, well that's additional information: all good as long as you remember limitations.

So you're basically saying that people choose to hide their identities in order to avoid the consequences of having their opinions associated with their persons -- but that is the entire point original post. The people whose work "Noss" criticizes don't have the luxury of hiding behind hockey masks; they have to stand by their work no matter how many people come away from an anonymous critic's YouTube video forming conclusions about the products that may or may not be fairly formed.

Taking responsibility for your work requires assuming a certain amount of risk. It requires you to live with the consequences of your public statements. It requires you, bluntly, to stand behind what you've said. Taking responsibility means, no, you can't hide and also have the credibility of true conviction to your public statements.

There has to be a reason for this thread..I hope.

The reason for this thread is me, publicly, taking issue with the way "Noss" operates, and offering him an opportunity either to ignore that or address it. I think it needed to be said, specifically and publicly, so I said it.

Give it up dude, please. Instead of trying to compel some else to do what you what them to do, go do something yourself. You don't like what he does, but you DO nothing yourself. Action speaks. Please go do some better tests so that everyone can praise your public tranparency, and the credibilty and reliability of how you (would) do it. Step up or step out.

You really have no idea just how incredibly uninformed that assertion is, do you, Dude?

 

[Kiah]

Establishing a false public persona behind which to hide is not the same as taking public responsibility for his work. The whole point of the persona is that it conceals his identity, which means he bears no actual responsibility to the people whose work he publicly criticizes.

They know who he is. How much more responsibilty should he bear to them. Besides, I thought it wasn't about the makers knowing who he was, but everyone knowing.

As far as criticizing. Anyone who reviews anything, good or bad, would be considered criticizing. As such, I still don't get why you think Noss should be held to a higher standard than every other reviewer on this site.

 

[sunnyd]

Give it up dude, please. Instead of trying to compel some else to do what you what them to do, go do something yourself. You don't like what he does, but you DO nothing yourself. Action speaks. Please go do some better tests so that everyone can praise your public tranparency, and the credibilty and reliability of how you (would) do it. Step up or step out.

UHM, I don't know how to break this to you but Phil has been writing knife reviews for years under his real name with plenty of photo's.

Might want to educate yourself first before you go and put your foot in your mouth and accuse some one to "step up"

 

[tomcrx]

Establishing a false public persona behind which to hide is not the same as taking public responsibility for his work. The whole point of the persona is that it conceals his identity, which means he bears no actual responsibility to the people whose work he publicly criticizes.

Let's reframe that statement

Establishing a anonymous public persona behind which to post his tests is the same as taking public responsibility for his work. The whole point of the persona is that it protects his identity, which means he fears no harassment from the tools who don't like his work and put nothing forward to counter it.

Better?

The real identity on Noss is that he is a homeless man who funds his knife habit by panhandling change and wielding a squeegee. He fears if this was known then Phil would harrass him and track him down to whatever cardboard box he is living in now and tell him to BACK OFF! numerous times. All the while lifting his eyebrow for emphasis. His intense bias for CRK was due to the fact that while building his cardboard and detrius shelter he was handicapped be having to use $4.99 Bud K stilleto. He never got over those rich kids walking buy screaming "Get a Sebenza !!!!". Sad story

 

[Phil Elmore]

I'm not holding him to a higher standard. I'm holding him to a basic standard of responsibility, or attempting to do so. I don't expect to be successful, but the public question had to be asked.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Let's reframe that statement

Establishing a anonymous public persona behind which to post his tests is the same as taking public responsibility for his work. The whole point of the persona is that it protects his identity, which means he fears no harassment from the tools who don't like his work and put nothing forward to counter it.

Better?

Building straw men to kick over more easily is not better, no.

The real identity on Noss is that he is a homeless man who funds his knife habit by panhandling change and wielding a squeegee. He fears if this was known then Phil would harrass him and track him down to whatever cardboard box he is living in now and tell him to BACK OFF! numerous times. All the while lifting his eyebrow for emphasis. His intense bias for CRK was due to the fact that while building his cardboard and detrius shelter he was handicapped be having to use $4.99 Bud K stilleto. He never got over those rich kids walking buy screaming "Get a Sebenza !!!!". Sad story

I think you need to ask yourself why you have to turn to childish personal attacks in order to defend the anonymous activities of this "Noss." Is it because, fundamentally, you can't actually offer a reasoned argument in his defense?