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Wicked Edge Knife Sharpener
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Thanks for the advice, also "Me Doctor" I was under the impression that these are made in the USA, am I mistaken?
From what Clay Allison tells me, much of the rig is made in the USA but not all of it. I didn't ask him to delineate but apparently some states like California require that items not made in the USA be labeled as such. The box and its insert is definitely made in China and it says so clearly. It is my understanding that the diamond surfaces attached to the hones are China made too, but that the aircraft aluminum vise and metal arms and angle adjustment devices are made in the USA. So make of that what you will. A great percentage of diamond abrasives and sharpening stones now are made in China.
I do know this, that the WEPS is a precision tool and does exactly what is supposed to do. Can't argue with success. There was a time that people used to snicker at things marked Made in Japan too...how things have changed.
Cheers
Leo
I do know this, that the WEPS is a precision tool and does exactly what is supposed to do. Can't argue with success. There was a time that people used to snicker at things marked Made in Japan too...how things have changed.
Cheers
Leo
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Yeah, I give a rip, and it's not about wild-eyed flag-waving patriotism. It's about being discouraged at the gutting of this nation. We lose thousands of manufacturing jobs every month.
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
But this isn't the place for an extended rant on economic policy...
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Possibly.
Originally Posted earlier in this thread by termite:
I've no intention of making problems here, but to only correct a bit of information. I just received a WE and it is not made in the USA. Without stirring up the usual back and forth, I can only say that for myself this would have factored in my decision to buy one. It's sitting here unopened and stamped 'Made in China' on the box.
Termite DID indicate that he wanted to avoid "stirring up the usual back and forth". Guess I failed to honor that request.
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I just spent several minutes on the wickededge web site and could find no info on where the sharpener is made, so I'm inclined to believe it's made in China as stated on the box. If so, I'd consider the use of "wickededgeusa" in the web site name to be deceptive.
Maybe Clay will jump in and set us straight...
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Hey Mark, I think you were inclined to feel that way from the start.
If you felt that strongly about this after spending 'several minutes' on the website, why not contact him and ask the question yourself right to the man before you 'hint' at his alleged deliberate deception in public. Here is his e-mail address. Maybe he will jump in. info@wickededgeusa.com
My feelings on this are candid and brief: he sells his stuff, in which he tries to include as much American product and know-how as he can, in the USA and around the world; spends the money he makes at American grocery stores or in a variety of other American stores, pays his American dentist and doctor with the money he makes, buys his gas from an American gas station; he hires and pays salaries to citizens of the USA who also buy American stuff and so forth! So I think your comment that somehow calling his business wickededgeusa is deceptive, and I suspect somehow unpatriotic, is insulting.
Get your facts straight before you hint publicly at possible lies on the part of a man whose only 'fault' is that he is trying to run a profitable business. What a cad he must be!
End of my rant.
Leo
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So I am just about sold on the Wicked Edge sharpener. I really want those perfect edge bevels that I just can't seem to get free-handing. My main concern is that my go-to knives are all Spyderco Military's. I am worried that I won't be able to securely clamp those full-flat ground blades that the military has.
Can someone chime in and put my worries to rest here? I hope someone has some first-hand experience with the Military and the WE. After a lot of searching, I only found a couple of posts on this, and one was from someone who had to clamp on the ricasso.
Can someone chime in and put my worries to rest here? I hope someone has some first-hand experience with the Military and the WE. After a lot of searching, I only found a couple of posts on this, and one was from someone who had to clamp on the ricasso.
Well according to R.A.T. my ESEE-4 and 6 are full flat grind (check for yourself) and I have no difficulty clamping them...they are two of my sharpest knives. When I clamp them, there is absolutely no slack or play...that vise has a mighty bite and won't let go until the bottom screw and then the upper screw are loosened. BTW I clamp then at dead center without a problem, no need to go to the ricasso.
An e-mail to Clay and you will have your answer verified within 24 hours. Go to the site and hit the Contact button or look at my rant just above.
Cheers
Leo
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I share your concerns. If there is a weakness with the WE, it has to be the clamp. Any time you design something that has to take into consideration thousands of different shapes, you a forced to compromise.I have used diferent clamp systems as well as designing and building my own and find it very hard to keep SOME blade from moving at the most unappropriated time. Flat ground blades have proven dificult with line only clamping contact. And I would add that keeping a blade flat on the EP table can also be a challenge with SOME blades .
Thanks for the response leo. The ESEE-4 and 6 are full flat grind, but don't have quite the dramatic taper on the spine that the military does. The ESEE spines are a bit more parallel (from a top down view at the spine), whereas the military spine is more of a elongated "V" (if that makes sense).
Do the jaws on the WE pivot at all? I know the clamp on the DMT aligner has a bit of play which allows blades like the Military to be clamped securely.
My friend Nosmo, there is no weakness there unless you have some weirdly shaped knife...it will even do a kikuryi from Nepal. The first generation allowed some movement...generation II holds blades rock solid. Of course there is no way I can convince you if you are dead set against believing it. Again check out the site and/or call Clay...he will be glad to talk with you about your concerns.
Cheers
Leo
Cheers
Leo
Again I don't want to mislead, so I will direct you to Clay and I believe there is a video on the site in which he sharpens an oddly shaped full flat grind. Here is the same one on YouTube. BTW Nosmo you might want to watch this too for answers to your doubts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE85Gavbbww
Cheers
Leo
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Hey Mark, I think you were inclined to feel that way from the start.
If you felt that strongly about this after spending 'several minutes' on the website, why not contact him and ask the question yourself right to the man before you 'hint' at his alleged deliberate deception in public. Here is his e-mail address. Maybe he will jump in. info@wickededgeusa.com
My feelings on this are candid and brief: he sells his stuff, in which he tries to include as much American product and know-how as he can, in the USA and around the world; spends the money he makes at American grocery stores or in a variety of other American stores, pays his American dentist and doctor with the money he makes, buys his gas from an American gas station; he hires and pays salaries to citizens of the USA who also buy American stuff and so forth! So I think your comment that somehow calling his business wickededgeusa is deceptive, and I suspect somehow unpatriotic, is insulting.
Get your facts straight before you hint publicly at possible lies on the part of a man whose only 'fault' is that he is trying to run a profitable business. What a cad he must be!
End of my rant.
Leo
When all else fails let the ad hominem attacks fly!
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I've sharpened my Caly3.5 on the WE and it is full flat ground, no problems. Their is only one trick to it really, and that is to make sure that is straight up and down in the vice or not canted to one side or the other. I have the 2nd gen WE and the vice holds all my knives very very secure.
That was no ad hominem! That was just holding a mirror up to see your reflection. You ignored what I said in a previous post, so I guess you think I was probably being deceptive too, even though I clearly said what I said after talking to the man himself! Then after your intensive detective work of several minutes without asking Clay anything, you throw out the comment, but covering yourself, "...so I'm 'inclined' to believe it's made in China as stated on the box. 'If so', I'd consider the use of "wickededgeusa" in the web site name to be deliberately deceptive."
So who is throwing out the ad hominems here?! He had already said to me that only part of the rig is made in China and a good portion in the USA...you chose to ignore what I said instead. Did you think I lied! Ad hominem indeed!
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I am very happy to weigh in here. As Leo says, much of the Wicked Edge is made in the US, some is made overseas. When I first started trying to produce the product, the US hadn't yet entered the downturn and business here was booming. I put out RFQs to over 500 US companies and got literally zero responses. No one wanted to even consider making it, especially since my starting quantities were so low (only 1000 units.) So I began searching around the world and finally settled on getting some of it made in China. That has been a real mixed bag and has caused us a lot of hardship. We've been in the process of trying to bring everything else back to the states and will continue until it's 100% made here. There are many reasons for wanting to bring back all the MFG here, some of which are: improved QC, lower lead times, wanting to support our economy, and because so many consumers "give a rip." For the record, I personally feel very strongly about trying manufacture locally, so much so, that I would love to have all of it made in my state, even my county, but the industry for it doesn't exist here. As far as the domain name (wickededgeusa.com) I chose that after I found that someone was cyber squatting on wickededge.com and they wanted 10k for the domain. We are a US company, provide a good number of jobs in New Mexico and produce as much as we can in the states, so I do not feel badly at all for the choice of domain names.
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Thank you for the clarification.
Contrary to the twit-listed individual's accusations, I did indeed search your web site for answers to the "made in China" question(s) and found not the least hint (other than the domain name), let alone a solid answer. I was not on a witch hunt.
I stand by my IF/THEN remark (IF the product is made primarily in China, THEN...), though I'll grant that the use of the term "deliberately" was unnecessarily inflammatory as it presumes knowledge of intent. I'll edit the post accordingly.
Do with the following as you wish:
If I were to order product-Z from a domain named "product-Zusa.com" and said product arrived at my door in a box labeled "Made in China", I'd be seriously disappointed -- and probably pi$$ed as well.
A real pleasure meeting you Mark! 
Your response to Clay's post deserves faint praise and only shows your pejorative stance once again. You took no account of my post where I stated what Clay had told me and he was good enough to come by and repeat what I said; you searched his site for a whole several minutes ignoring the spot where it indicates for further information with a provided e-mail address; you admit being unnecessarily inflammatory and somehow I am the twit! LOL! 
Leo
Your response to Clay's post deserves faint praise and only shows your pejorative stance once again. You took no account of my post where I stated what Clay had told me and he was good enough to come by and repeat what I said; you searched his site for a whole several minutes ignoring the spot where it indicates for further information with a provided e-mail address; you admit being unnecessarily inflammatory and somehow I am the twit! LOL! Leo