Work Sharp (belt grinder) Knife Sharpener

Can we please keep the focus of this thread on this review/demo only?

If there is a need to discuss other methods and their superiority, please start a new thread. I am sure many would enjoy another good review!

UnknownVT thanks for the review....I hope I am not overstepping my bounds in your thread.
 
A hunting show demo the work sharp showing sissors being sharpened but not how they cut or a before or after look. Then a knife was drawn thru the machine and oooooooh the edge, but the host held the knife at such a high angle on his arm that no hair was cut. No look at blade before or after.
Then an axe was touched by the belt and ooooooooh "look at the polish" the host said. Again no look. All talk, no proof, and bad example......CHEESEY. 1 x 30 inch Harbor Freight belt sander is 40 bucks. BEAT THAT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmC5GNbeYxM

There you go. Shaving+Proof. Actually you can shave with a very "high angle", meaning higher then 50 degrees.
 
Can we please keep the focus of this thread on this review/demo only?

If there is a need to discuss other methods and their superiority, please start a new thread. I am sure many would enjoy another good review!

UnknownVT thanks for the review....I hope I am not overstepping my bounds in your thread.

Hello, unit. I am betting you are the same "unit" (Ken) who has always generously shared his extensive sharpening knowledge over on the Spydie forum (while always being very kind and patient with novices like me). I haven't been over there much recently, but appreciate all I learned from your excellent videos, tutorials, and posts.

I would be very interested in reading any comments or insight you might have on the Work Sharp sharpener.

In any event, nice to see you.

Andrew (AJF on the Spydie forum)
 
I am that guy. Unfortunately I know very little about this product but this thread seemed like a good place to start learning hopefully.

Thanks for the kind words.
 
I am that guy. Unfortunately I know very little about this product but this thread seemed like a good place to start learning hopefully.

Like Andrew/AFAustin - I would be very interested in your views on this product.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmC5GNbeYxM
There you go. Shaving+Proof. Actually you can shave with a very "high angle", meaning higher then 50 degrees.

Many thanks for the link to that video.

The video was really good for seeing the WSKTS in action - even discounting the reviewer's obvious enthusiasm, one can see how easy it is to use - and the results are undeniable - just like you said 50deg inclusive angle is more than enough to shave with, and actually skim/split hairs.

It's that convex which makes it cut through well and "scary sharp".
15deg (or 30 deg inclusive) might seem "even sharper" but it probably will not last long for general purpose cutting - but if the blade is to be used for shaving faces everyday - then I can't argue with it.
Me? I trust centuries' worth of real usage experience and stick to 45-50 deg - but I can easily make it 40 deg inclusive just by holding the blade straight up and down without leaning on the guide.

EDIT to ADD - Actually, I think I may have figured out how to get 45deg -
hold the blade straight up & down/vertical, then lean it against the guide -
that would be 40dg and 50deg respectively -
split the difference (by eye) then that ought to give 45 deg inclusive -
that is 22.5deg each side -
to the half degree - see how pedantic I can get:o?

Lemme see if I can embed the video here:

[video=youtube;rmC5GNbeYxM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmC5GNbeYxM[/video]


Oh PS - BTW - the video also addresses the "big" jump in grit from P220 to 6000 - the 6000 is quite capable of giving a good polished finish - as I found even with only 3 passes, after P220 honing -
this is probably (remember I am not a grits expert - I've never known how to cook the cereal :p) because we have it as a power belt and although intermediate grits would be necessary for any hand honing - the power belt would - with enough passes be adequate even with just the ultra fine 6000 grit. Of course there is nothing wrong with getting some intermediate grits - but I am quite happy with just those three supplied belts and for knives that are not completely obtuse I can just use the P220 and 6000.

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Like Andrew/AFAustin - I would be very interested in your views on this product.

They are not going to be very exciting I am afraid....

First off, it simply appears to be a belt sander/grinder with a couple guides (yawn). It will suffer the same potential problems of any powered grinder with these possible exceptions (it appears quite compact/portable and purpose built). That is what has me interested.

As a knife guy, I spend a lot of time doing all sorts of mods to knives with a premium focus on edge/performance enhancement. I am at the stage of the game that a powered system might be attractive, but I am not ready to dedicate a lot of space to the idea since I generally use my kitchen table as my work bench.

What are my concerns? I will admit I have not researched anything yet...but these are the first questions I would get answered before I even ask how much this item costs...which I also do not know at this point;)

How available are the belts to me locally? (Hardware store? Web order?)
What grits are available? (beyond what Work Sharp offers)
How much will belts cost me?...because I will be wearing them out!

And my greatest concern (which may be unique to me) is, will this thing just be a gateway to making the step to a larger belt sander that allows more versatility (beyond sharpening...and approaching knife making).

Additional concerns/questions would deal with how noisy it is, and how durable it is.

I am not sure if this is what you meant by "views"...but those are my thoughts:D
 
Alright I received my Work Sharp Knife and Tool Sharpening kit...
I am surprised by the results but there are several points I'd like to address, which are towards Work Sharp.

1. It is easy to use, however some of the guides are badly designed in my honest opinion while they are perfect for more long flat knives, they do very very poorly with smaller pocket knives. For example my Bradley Alias 2 (which I have ruined thanks to the poor guides and my own poor judgement).
a. I used the sharpener to first sharpen two kitchen knives, giving very very good results on both. Both are sharp, and can shave with after 7~ 220 passes (they were very well before), and 10 passes on the 6000 grit. The angles used were 25 degrees each side (50 degrees)
b. I proceeded to use the bradley alias II, passed it through the 220 grit, after that first pass, I noticed something: no tip. It had been grinded off completely in a simply pass not measuring more then 1 second. That's when it hit me. We need more belt grades apart from 80/220/6000, 220 grit allows for far too much margin of error specially with knives that are small. The 25 degree guide also lacks support for the bottom, and makes it very difficult to sharpen tapering knives with fine points.

Guides could use work on, and the belts variety should be added on.
I managed to put a more rounded tip, I didn't want to put a spear point tip again due to the amount of metal that would need to be removed. That knife is worthless now, oh well good thing it's my EDC use. I will likely replace it.

I learned my lesson, power tools can easily eat up your knife like it was butter. Use proper judgement and use the right belt for the job.
 
Alright I received my Work Sharp Knife and Tool Sharpening kit...
I am surprised by the results but there are several points I'd like to address, which are towards Work Sharp.

1. It is easy to use, however some of the guides are badly designed in my honest opinion while they are perfect for more long flat knives, they do very very poorly with smaller pocket knives. For example my Bradley Alias 2 (which I have ruined thanks to the poor guides and my own poor judgement).
a. I used the sharpener to first sharpen two kitchen knives, giving very very good results on both. Both are sharp, and can shave with after 7~ 220 passes (they were very well before), and 10 passes on the 6000 grit. The angles used were 25 degrees each side (50 degrees)
b. I proceeded to use the bradley alias II, passed it through the 220 grit, after that first pass, I noticed something: no tip. It had been grinded off completely in a simply pass not measuring more then 1 second. That's when it hit me. We need more belt grades apart from 80/220/6000, 220 grit allows for far too much margin of error specially with knives that are small. The 25 degree guide also lacks support for the bottom, and makes it very difficult to sharpen tapering knives with fine points.

Guides could use work on, and the belts variety should be added on.
I managed to put a more rounded tip, I didn't want to put a spear point tip again due to the amount of metal that would need to be removed. That knife is worthless now, oh well good thing it's my EDC use. I will likely replace it.

I learned my lesson, power tools can easily eat up your knife like it was butter. Use proper judgement and use the right belt for the job.
Yeah, this is why it's good to have a Mora to practice on. And my sharpening guides have more or less been collecting dust for the past few months.
 
What are my concerns? I will admit I have not researched anything yet...but these are the first questions I would get answered before I even ask how much this item costs...which I also do not know at this point;)

How available are the belts to me locally? (Hardware store? Web order?)
What grits are available? (beyond what Work Sharp offers)
How much will belts cost me?...because I will be wearing them out!

And my greatest concern (which may be unique to me) is, will this thing just be a gateway to making the step to a larger belt sander that allows more versatility (beyond sharpening...and approaching knife making).

Additional concerns/questions would deal with how noisy it is, and how durable it is.


Thanks for the interesting input/questions.

Hopefully Work Sharp will chime in here - but let me try and answer some.

The belts are standard 1/2" x 12" - and although may not be available everywhere like WalMart - are probably available most hardware store that carry a reasonable range of power tools. But it would be simple enough to phone round and ask. They certainly are available on the web.

Apparently all sorts of grits are available please take a look at this thread Work Sharp Knife Sharpener with 20 pages of posts.

Noise - that YouTube video link LuisG posted is a fair indication of the noise levels -
it is about the same as a small electric drill - possibly bit quieter (like a Dremel?).

Last time I did a google product search the WSKTS was low priced at just under about $70.

Your last question I cannot possible attempt to answer - I do not know how much you want to use a belt grinder - possibly for other uses than sharpening?

However I'll tell you that it more than satisfies me - as a knife sharpener -
and results for me were quick and virtually effortless - almost insultingly so -
as I have been sharpening and putting semi-convex edges on blades for many years
and I thought I had it down (with the exception of a very few knives)
- the WSKTS made it mockingly simple..... even on the knives I had difficulties with -
(3 were featured in the review).

Not definitive by any means but hopefully it was helpful
even if it is only based on my opinion.

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I've been a knife nut since I was a kid, but was never able to get a decent edge on anything with my 2-sided oilstone.
At the end of 2010, I decided to get serious. I picked up 4 japanese waterstones, followed all directions, and spent hour upon hour practicing my sharpening technique. I got a decent (shaving) edge on two pocket knives and a pairing blade. Most of the rest were anywhere from slightly better to slightly worse than when I began.
Then I learned about convex edges, and the sandpaper-on-mousepad method.
I had better luck - with enough time and effort, I could get any "standard" steel blade under ~ 6" to split hair, on at least part of the edge. But it took so long, I only put that kind of effort into a couple. Also, I know I still have trouble measuring and maintaining a proper, and consistent, edge angle. My chef's knives, and D2 and S30V blades, still were not satisfactory - with enough work, I could slice paper, but that's about as far as I could get them. And I spent over 3 hours, over the course of 3 months, on my BM940.
I was trying to decide between an Apex (too complicated), WickedEdge (too expensive), and Spyderco (too long to re-profile), and figuring how to get it past the wife, and where to store it.
About a month ago, I walked into a local sporting good store, and their knife salesman was showing one of these to a customer, saying how it uses a "new" technique to put a "special" edge on "any blade." I asked if there was anything tighter than 50 deg inclusive, and he said "no, but you don't need it." I thought it was a bunch of hooey, and walked away.
Still, something was stirring in the back of my mind.
I decided to do some online searching, and found mostly positive reviews, with a few caveats about the wide spread of grits, the limited angles, and wearing down tips. I also discovered that it comes with the 20 deg (40 inclusive) "kitchen" guide.
So, I sauntered back in there with my 940. The guy made to passes on the 220, when I asked if I could do it. I did one more on 220, and 4 (per side) on the 6000. Using the 25 degree outdoor guide. When I was done, the thing shaved my arm hair easily!
A week later, I bought the Work Sharp.

Since then, I've sharpened all of my cheap knives, and most of my EDC blades. Understand, most of these have previously been worked pretty hard on the sandpaper (220, 400, 800, 1500, 2500) over mousepad, and stropped on leather - but none were satisfactory cutters. I tested them on paper first. If they would tear it, I only used the 6000. If the bent and folded it, I profiled them with 2-5 passes on 220 first.
My two pairing knives and one folder with slightly bent tips know have REALLY honked up tips. The rest came out just fine.
Every single one of them will shave arm hair, and slice through newsprint and copier paper with ease. Some will push-cut the newsprint. My tomato slices have never been thinner. My dad and my wife have both commented on how sharp the knives are, and how easy it is to cut everything.

I still haven't done my Henckels chef's knives, my Bussekin, or my fancy-steel Spyderco. I'm awaiting some Micro-Mesh MX belts so I can get those just perfect. I'm hopeful that these, along with black, green, and no compound on some leather strops, will provide the gorgeous, push-cutting, print-reading polished convex edges I've seen people post on this site, but never created myself or seen in person.

Some observations:

I agree with what I saw above - like any sharpening, a light touch gives the best results.

I keep a tall bottle full of water for cooling between passes, especially during reprofiling.

Replacement WorkSharp belts are available at the store where I purchased the sharpener. Plus, the send an additional set when you send in the warranty card. So far, I managed to tear one 6000 (I think on one of those bent tips.) I'm still on my first 220, and the other 6000 is going strong.

I intend to maintain and improve my freehand skills, and still finish everything with a good stropping.

The questions I've posed to WorkSharp customer service have been answered promptly.

It runs very quietly for a belt grinder. Each time I turn it on, I'm still surprised it isn't louder. I had no problem carrying on a conversation with my 5 year old while it was running, and she did not plug her ears like she does for my router, skill saw, lawn mover, and vacuum.

I can't speak to the long-term durability of the unit, but it seems at least as well made as any of my other under $100 corded power tools.

Bearing in mind that I am a conscientious novice, and by no means an expert free-hand sharpener, and I have no experience with a table-sized belt sander, I could not be happier with the product or the service delivered by this Work Sharp Knife and Tool Sharpener. Highly recommended.

To give you an idea of the noise level this (doesn't) generate, I ran a quick, very loosely controlled, unscientific comparison in my 1-car garage / man-cave.
I placed my Radio Shack analog SPL meter, set to A-Weighting, roughly a meter from each device, and took a reading on the "slow" setting:
Craftsman 2 1/3hp 6.5" circular saw: 104dB,
Makita 5A 2800rpm 1/2" power drill: 94dB,
Makita 12V 1150rpm cordless drill: 86dB,
Ridgid 4.25hp 12gal shop-vac: 85dB (sounded louder),
Work Sharp Knife and Tool Sharpener: 79dB.
All were placed on my workbench in roughly the same location, except for the shop-vac. I also moved the meter to a different location for the vacuum, which may explain the discrepancy in perceived and measured values.

UnknownVT, sorry to hijack your very useful thread and review. I wanted to offer my own insights on the WSTKS, but thought they'd be rather useless without a little background.

Regards,
- Tom

ps - the Micro-Mesh belts just showed up! Hopefully I'll have something to add to this thread at the end of the weekend.
@UNIT - the ones I got were under a dollar each (plus highish shipping, of course.) They're 80MX, 150MX, 180MX, 360MX, 800MX, and 1200MX. Sadly, the numbers do not indicate an actual grit or abrasive size - but Micro-Mesh does have a conversion chart available online. I located it once through a Google search.
 
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Very nice feedback Tom - much appreciated.

Even when we think we have sharpening down - it takes a fair amount of time on knives that are already decently sharp -
on knives that are obtuse/thick - it can take almost forever (some I gave up on - those were the three I tested).

The WSKTS seems to give a beautiful convex edge on everything I've thrown at it -
to the point I feel redundant.

Thanks again Tom, for your review.

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OK.....
for my next sharpening - I was really in trepidation

It is one of my most cherished knives -
a custom order ironwood drop-point hunter by the late Gordon DeFreest
Gordon1199_S.jpg


I foolishly thought I could put a better edge on it years ago - and kind of regretted trying to do that - no matter how careful I was it just didn't look that good. With such a cherished knife not only had it to be functional - but it had to look good too (at least to me).

Don't get me wrong - I do know how to sharpen, so it is sharp....
just not so good looking edge....
GordonBeforeEdge.jpg


GordonBeforeTip.jpg


So with the Work Sharp I thought I could at least get it to look good again too - and redeem myself...
but to be sure I did not have even a remote possibility of marring the finish -
I taped it up:
GordonTape.jpg


I held the blade straight/vertical to get a 20deg edge - but in the outdoor knife guide -
3 passes with the P220 I could feel a clear burr - then 6 passes each side for the 6000 grit
and yes I have now redeemed myself, phew! -

GordonAftEdge.jpg


GordonAftTip.jpg


The edge now looks good too
and is probably better than it had at any time -
yes, it does cut through like crazy.

Pardon me while go calm myself down, and have a cup of tea......

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Vincent, I recommend you start practicing(on cheap knives of course) without the guides. You might find more flexibility in your edge bevels without it.

So would you trust this with like a benchmade pocket knife or fallkniven s1?
Sharpened my:
Lionsteel SR-1 $380
CRK Umnumzaan $425
CRK Sebenza with Unique Graphic and Cabochan(Sapphire) >$450
R.J. Martin Overkill in S110V $675(what I paid anyway)
Yuna Mini Hard 2 $525
Galyean Pro Turbulence $400(slightly scratched the handles because of its odd shape)


So yes, I'd do it:D.

But remember, nearly every system carries the risk of screwing up the knife in one way or another. The odds depend on how forgiving the system is and your own individual skill. If you don't want to ruin your knife, practice like it's for the SATs:thumbup:.
 
Vincent, I recommend you start practicing(on cheap knives of course) without the guides. You might find more flexibility in your edge bevels without it.


Sharpened my:
Lionsteel SR-1 $380
CRK Umnumzaan $425
CRK Sebenza with Unique Graphic and Cabochan(Sapphire) >$450
R.J. Martin Overkill in S110V $675(what I paid anyway)
Yuna Mini Hard 2 $525
Galyean Pro Turbulence $400(slightly scratched the handles because of its odd shape)


So yes, I'd do it:D.

But remember, nearly every system carries the risk of screwing up the knife in one way or another. The odds depend on how forgiving the system is and your own individual skill. If you don't want to ruin your knife, practice like it's for the SATs:thumbup:.

Do the sebenzas keep their edge for as long? now that I know it works for pocket knives I think ill pick one up.
 
Vincent, I recommend you start practicing(on cheap knives of course) without the guides. You might find more flexibility in your edge bevels without it.

Thank you very much for your advice.

I actually like the angles the outdoor knife guide gives me -
I can do with precision 50deg, 40deg and now even 45deg convex -
and for now that is all I want to be able to do.

Thanks though.
If I want other angles (and can actually measure them) then I will use the WSKTS without the guide -
but for now I am very happy with the training wheels, since there is virtually NO skill involved.

However it be great if you could post something about using it freehand?

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I've sharpened both of my Benchmades on it, and am exceedingly pleased with the results. I don't have a Fallkniven, but I will be reprofiling and sharpening my ScrapYard War Dog and Spyderco M4 Manix2 (Most Cherished Knives) as soon as the new MicroMesh belts come in.
I'll try to post some pictures, but so far my camera and my skills have not combined to produce quality photos of edges.
I don't think I'm going to reprofile my (Henckels) Miyabi Gyuto on it, but that's only because it has a very nice 28 degree (inclusive) v-edge, and I need to use my waterstones for Something.
It is a good idea to practice first to get a feel for it, but the learning curve is MUCH less steep than any of the hand-sharpening methods I've tried.
 
I've got a couple tanto's I will test today.

Edit:

Seems my Bradley screw up was NOT my fault nor the machines fault. The temper is bad, way too brittle. What I had thought had grinded off, had actually chipped. This is why when I was rounding the tip, I would keep seeing little bits fly off. Further when I decided to leave it as is and start tuning the roundness with 6000 grit, the same issue arose only with smaller portions. Seems the vibrations and friction just caused chips. I think a member of another forum described the tempering process may have been bad.
 
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Excellent posts. Just now I was practicing with a very small (1.5" blade) and very cheap pocketknife. I was working on my technique so as to not round the tip.

I found that both guides posed problems when the knife was drawn back far enough to lose the support of the rear portion of the guide. This was especially true with the outdoor guide, since, in holding it to approximate a 40 degree angle, it loses the support of the sides of the guide, as well.

I ended up thinking that, even for a beginner, sharpening this little knife freehand seemed to give me much more control over the tip.

Vincent, since you are using the outdoor guide/40 degree method, has this been a problem for you?

Andrew
 
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