Would 1/4" thick 10" blade be stronger of forged vs stock removal?

[Rhinoknives1]

Agreed. Just making the point that todays machinery can make anything easy

Hmm? I think that's a bit of an overstatement. One needs to know how to program and setup all of the tooling for a CNC mill/lather etc..Plus the tooling can cost as much as the machine after you buy everything you need for different setups.

So, it's not just the price of the CNC. There are different skill sets and other costs implied.

 

[Mecha]

I might have $10k of equipment in my entire shop...including the power hammer and my Bader.
And I don't have to buy 6-1/2" wide pieces of steel for tomahawks

CAT SIGHTING, bottom right corner. What do I win?

 

[Cobalt]

Hmm? I think that's a bit of an overstatement. One needs to know how to program and setup all of the tooling for a CNC mill/lather etc..Plus the tooling can cost as much as the machine after you buy everything you need for different setups.

So, it's not just the price of the CNC. There are different skill sets and other costs implied.

true, but once you do, you can outproduce anything manually made.

 

[Joshua J.]

If people want to talk about thin geometry: http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/forum/read.php?6,23797

All you need is a wet wheel.

 

[james terrio]

I know you know these things, Joey - but there's guys in this thread that may not know you know, you know?

And that's really the crux of the biscuit... not whether I "promote" "my way", or whatever... but the fact that threads like these live on forever. And some cat might stumble across it five years from now. We all owe it to that cat to put some facts in front of him, so he can make his own choices.

Some knifemakers forge very close to shape.

Indeed, and that shows a high level of skill and scholarship that we can all appreciate and admire. :thumbup: No one is disputing that, least of all me.

There ARE modern tool steels, however, that render this unnecessary, such as JT's favorite CPM-3v. At its target hardness for edge retention, and with proper heat treatment, it will exhibit edge holding characteristics (for certain materials) far superior to 1084, while also being stronger than same - even when 1084 has had a spring tempered spine.

Like James says, this ain't rocket surgery.

I just want to make it clear, I did NOT pay Mr. Gregory for that statement, or even point this thread out to him. He's a big boy and speaks for himself. Just sayin'...

So yes I was kidding when I said You guys ain't grinding in that kind of taper ... You guys need to lighten up

Fair enough. :thumbup:

Agreed. Just making the point that todays machinery can make anything easy

Baloney! It's not nearly as "easy" as it looks to just plop a chunk of steel into a CNC mill, press a button and *poof* a knife pops out. It just doesn't work that way. The machinist-type knifemakers who do that well have years of experience and study behind them. In my opinion, they deserve just as much respect for their craft, as the dudes swinging a hammer or the guys wearing out belts.

true, but once you do, you can outproduce anything manually made.

Oh yeah? LMAO. Go right ahead, put your life savings/credit/house on the line, start you a machine shop and get back to me in a year about how "easy" it is to put product out the door and pay bills/meet payroll

This knifemaking thing is a boat-load of really hard work, very long hours and an absolute money-pit, no matter how one goes about it. Even to do it half-vast, much less to excel and carve one's own place in a remarkably small, extremely-competitive market.

[video=youtube;ZDCs7ijNUVM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDCs7ijNUVM&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

[J W Bensinger]

CAT SIGHTING, bottom right corner. What do I win?

The cat, Mecha. You win the cat.

 

[Rhinoknives1]

true, but once you do, you can outproduce anything manually made.

Again, A bit of an overstatement. How much time have you spend machining parts or hand making knives?

Not trying to bust your chops, just wondering where you are getting these ideas?

 

[Cobalt]

Again, A bit of an overstatement. How much time have you spend machining parts or hand making knives?

Not trying to bust your chops, just wondering where you are getting these ideas?

With knives none. However, as a mechanical engineer there was a time that I was involved in the aerospace industry we made lots of widgets on cnc machines. once programmed in, it was EASY!!!!and it replicated the parts perfectly. I know this is different than knives.

I think you guys need to chill a little. You get to easily offended when no offense was meant.

 

[Rhinoknives1]

There was no offense taken or meant to anyone.

The word there is "once" and that someone else was paying the bills for rent, machines. tooling, expendables, payroll etc.

Just sharing my experiences with making a livelihood knife making and sharpening for the past 20 years and have visited with others that own machines of which you speak and have heard about the hard numbers and the training it takes.

This was a second career for me. I was in Advertising & sales first