Wretched Excess

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY IT!
BTW, a knife like that glows when goblins are around and is a ghost slayer +3, so it's worth it. :jerkit:
 
I dont complain when I see a BMW that I can't afford or whine when I see an ugly Van Gogh sketch that is worth millions, yet people will always complain when they see a knife they cant afford or can't justify for themselves. Some people need to step away from the "my 50$ buck is as good as any other knife that looks the same" mentality and think of custom knife collecting in a more broad sense. Just because a knife might look "not that fancy" on an internet auction does not mean that the maker's whole reputation and years of experience are not also part of that blade. Some one carat diamond rings are 1000$ while others are 20,000$. I doubt I coudl tell the difference from a single internet picture, either.
 
Kressler's knives don't command the prices they do because he makes a crap knife, he makes some very fine knives and is widely regarded as one of the best. With every type of product, you always pay a lot more for the best, to some, it's worth it, to others it isn't, but Kressler's knives sell every day for this much and more, so obviously they are not overpriced.

Some of the statements made here border on the absurd, and along the lines of: "Who is this Fisk guy anyway, why would anybody pay $3,000 for a stag bowie when I can get one from Cold Steel for $50, what a ripoff". The sad part is, there are posters who just said: "Yeah, why would anybody pay $3,000 for a bowie, what a ripoff..." Well, to some maybe, to people who collect high-end customs, not neccessarily, it depends on what you value in a thing. Obviously if you are looking for a capable user knife, you are looking at a different market than a collector looking for a high-dollar collectable. 2 different things.

Can you get a better value in a knife you intend to use, in other words, a better cost/performance ratio, of course, but there will always be some things that are considered the best and collectable, and there will always be people who will gladly pay for it.

Here's a quick example. Look at this knife, it costs probably close to $10,000, knives like it sell every day. I bet you could buy a Benchmade for $100 that would outperform this knife in most ways, but, collectors will still pay $10,000 for this knife, you either appreciate knives as something more than just a tool, or you don't, but don't condemn people who do see art and collectability in knives, after all, we are all brothers in our love of knives and to each his own, right? :)

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@ stjames and Ebbtide,

$1800 for any knife is a total ripoff.
$300 for any knife is a total ripoff.

If you want to pay that much for a knife then you do that. I'll stick to paying about $50-$120. :D

It's a piece of steel with a handle. That's it.

I'm not going to pay more money for a Ford Explorer that has Eddie Bauers name all over it either. Paying $1800 for a knife is no different than paying for a name.

Also, damascus has to be the ugliest looking steel ever made.
 
Copper Crayon said:
@ stjames and Ebbtide,

$1800 for any knife is a total ripoff.
$300 for any knife is a total ripoff.

If you want to pay that much for a knife then you do that. I'll stick to paying about $50-$120. :D
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Nobody is forcing you to pay $1.800 for a knife. Stick to what you like, but don't insult people who don't share your taste.
 
Copper Crayon said:
@ stjames and Ebbtide,

$1800 for any knife is a total ripoff.
$300 for any knife is a total ripoff.

If you want to pay that much for a knife then you do that. I'll stick to paying about $50-$120. :D

It's a piece of steel with a handle. That's it.

I'm not going to pay more money for a Ford Explorer that has Eddie Bauers name all over it either. Paying $1800 for a knife is no different than paying for a name.

Also, damascus has to be the ugliest looking steel ever made.
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If you looked at the picture I posted above and all you see is a piece of steel with a handle, you need to get glasses my friend. :rolleyes:

Nathan said it very well, just because you think of a knife as a basic tool only, doesn't mean others can't legitimately think of them as more than that. Some people see art and collectability in knives, if you don't, that's your choice, but don't insult those who think differently.
 
Copper Crayon said:
@ stjames and Ebbtide,

$1800 for any knife is a total ripoff.
$300 for any knife is a total ripoff.

If you want to pay that much for a knife then you do that. I'll stick to paying about $50-$120. :D

It's a piece of steel with a handle. That's it.

I'm not going to pay more money for a Ford Explorer that has Eddie Bauers name all over it either. Paying $1800 for a knife is no different than paying for a name.

Also, damascus has to be the ugliest looking steel ever made.
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Thats fine. Keep rockin' the 50$ blades and don't worry about it then. According to your view, you are the only smart one in the blade world, so you should be happy that you've figured it all out before anyone else. I've got 40$ set aside for that picasso i've wanted for so long once all those stupid art dealers realize that the paintings are just canvas and pigments and nothing else and they lower their prices accordingly. :rolleyes:
 
stjames said:
A.G. Russell is one of the men that made the modern knife world what it is today, and he didn't do it by ripping people off. The support he has given to makers and the knowledge he has shared with customers has allowed a whole generation of bladesmiths to flourish. If you don’t understand supply and demand or the collector market fine, but you shouldn't start insulting people on the subject if you don’t.
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Hit the nail directly on the head. Nice post! IMO, a fine knife is like a fine watch. Personally I am glad that some don't appreciate either, more for me.
Matt
 
Blah Blah Blah.

A knife is a tool, not art. A car is made to be driven, not sit in a show room or a museum.

A knife that is not used is a waste.
 
Copper Crayon said:
Blah Blah Blah.

A knife is a tool, not art. A car is made to be driven, not sit in a show room or a museum.

A knife that is not used is a waste.
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Surely this attitude has to be a by product of a mind raised on the mediocrity of American television entertainment. I predict a very drab and rather dull journey for you throughout life. The aesthetic sensibility is what lifts the soul above the ordinary day-to-day struggle for existence....without the sublime one is doomed to the mundane. If you don't appreciate the need to give some permanent shape to the flux of experience, to make something perfect in this singularly imperfect existence then you son are a barbarian. Ever since the dawn of man the "smiths" made princely weapons as ornaments; they were as necessary to a chieftains status as were the bards whose poems celebrated his courage. It is arguable that artists and craftsman are the salvation of mankind. Perhaps an art appreciation class would be of value to your understanding of the underpinnings of civilization and broaden your view of art.


-Regards
 
Whatever gramps.

Enjoy wasting money on that crap.

Oh, speaking of mediocrity, you misspelled Pacific in your "location" field. :D
 
Well CC, many people appreciate art and beauty, and fine things, others don't, and apparently some feel the need to insult those who do. Your loss.

Do you think that all art is a waste, or just knives that attempt to be art? Do you think a painting by one of the great masters is a waste of canvas because you don't use it to wallpaper your bathroom. Is there no room for art and the finer things in your narrow world view?
 
Megalobyte said:
Well CC, many people appreciate art and beauty, and fine things, some don't, and apparently some feel the need to insult those who do. Your loss.
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Actually it's your loss for spending that kind of money on a piece of steel that cuts things.:thumbup:

Yay, this thread is so productive. What a great bunch of people :D
 
Copper Crayon said:
Actually it's your loss for spending that kind of money on a piece of steel that cuts things.:thumbup:

Yay, this thread is so productive. What a great bunch of people :D
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Actually, since when I sell a knife of mine, I almost always at least break even, or often times make a nice profit, you are the one spending money, not I. If there are losses here, they're yours.

You're right though, with one notable exception, this is a great bunch of people.
 
Copper Crayon said:
Actually it's your loss for spending that kind of money on a piece of steel that cuts things.:thumbup:

Yay, this thread is so productive. What a great bunch of people :D
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....yes I imagine you have better things to do....off with you now to enjoy another rerun of "I Dream of Jeanie" and broaden your esthetic sensibility !:jerkit:
 
Gramps said:
....yes I imagine you have better things to do....of with you now to enjoy another rerun of "I Dream of Jeanie" and broaden your esthetic sensibility !:jerkit:
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I was thinking wrestling and nascar racing for our rocket scientist friend.
 
Copper Crayon said:
Actually it's your loss for spending that kind of money on a piece of steel that cuts things.:thumbup:

Yay, this thread is so productive. What a great bunch of people :D
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For the record, the buyer of that first knife will most likely make a hefty profit. That means the assumed gain is YOUR loss, not his.

You sound like a guy who would cut firewood with a knife thats a family heirloom, since its just a tool....

Some people appreciate beauty, function, and form....some people just worship the pricetag and the number on it. I doubt anyone will notice or care which you choose, but don't expect people to take an evolutionary step backwards and lower themselves to match your outlook. Time and history have established values and respect across the boards of utilitarian items and purely aesthetic items. A beautiful knife is a rare blend between the aesthetic and utilitarian worlds....

Mustang spends thousands of dollars making their engines sound a particular way, even though it doesnt make the cars run any better. For that matter, every single item produced takes into account aesthetics, packaging, etc. If you want to live in a world of square cars, a single color of paint, and one brand of everything, you are welcome to start your own world. Until then, heres a tissue...
 
TikTock said:
For the record, the buyer of that first knife will most likely make a hefty profit. That means the assumed gain is YOUR loss, not his.

You sound like a guy who would cut firewood with a knife thats a family heirloom, since its just a tool....

Some people appreciate beauty, function, and form....some people just worship the pricetag and the number on it. I doubt anyone will notice or care which you choose, but don't expect people to take an evolutionary step backwards just to lower themselves to match your outlook.
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:thumbup: Perhaps the perfect response !

-regards
 
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