Wretched Excess

Gramps said:
....yes I imagine you have better things to do....of with you now to enjoy another rerun of "I Dream of Jeanie" and broaden your esthetic sensibility !:jerkit:
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LOL! now thats funny.

Copper Crayon- you obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about.
I saw troll-like tendencies in some of your previous posting, but I see you found it impossible to keep it in the closet.:jerkit:
 
My timex tells time pretty well, but my seiko is nicer.

my boker can outcut both my buck crosslock and my scallion, and feel good doing it. (of course, the boker isn't steel.)

Knifemaking=Craft
Knife design=Art

I would expect to pay more for a fine handcrafted peice of Art
 
Copper Crayon said:
If you want to pay that much for a knife then you do that. I'll stick to paying about $50-$120.
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Why pay that much? Why not just carry a $10 Opinel? Or a $2 Spyderco rippoff? You're just like the guy that would buy a Loveless or a Kessler, but it isn't getting past your skull.
 
Hmmmmm, I just looked at a few of Copper Crayon's other posts, and look what I found, the hypocracy is deafening. :foot:

Copper Crayon wrote in another thread: "My father in law tried to give me a box of 100 Chineese knives that he paid $100 for.

He says "for a buck a piece how could you go wrong?".

I said thanks very much but I'd rather have 1 - $100 knife instead of 100 - $1knives."
 
As far as I'm concerned, a knife priced at $1800 had damned better well glow in the dark when Orcs are present, or something like that.
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Maybe it would glow when trolls are present too. I wonder if someone could make me one of those. I would gladly pay $1800 for it
 
Copper Crayon, you are entitled to your opinion. I'd recommend expressing it a bit more thoughtfully though.

Abraham Lincoln said:
It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and resolve all doubt.
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I'd much rather go for the $2200 integral, but obviously the New York Special sold for a reason.

I'll own a Kressler some day, you can be sure of that.
 
Apparantly we have another who is unwilling to learn.

When I joined the forums I questioned the sanity of those paying more than 100 bucks for a knife.
Cougar Allen (IIRC) set me straight in a very polite & understandable manner.

I learned. I researched and learned more. I gained an appreciation of the amount of work that goes into each handcrafted knife.
I've talked to knifemakers and collectors about what makes a good knife a good knife.
I've learned alot and have alot more to learn. That's the fun of the hobby, the learning.

Here's what I learned last...
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And yes, I'll use it. And smile everytime I do.
 
You guys have it all wrong. I'm not unwilling to learn I simply think $1800 + for a knife is too much.

Yes, I do think knives are tools and that's how I use them. I don't baby them and I don't let them sit on a shelf. That doesn't mean I don't see their beauty. If I didn't see their beauty I wouldn't use a Benchmade like I do, I would use a $1 Chineese knife.

My main point is this:
Since I use my knives I cannot see how an $1800 knife could outlast a Benchmade with G10 scales and Titanium liners. I'd like to see one of those $500 dimascus folders put to the test beside a Benchmade 710.

What I'm saying is I'm a form follows function person. Beauty for me is how a tank looks or how a Plymouth Satellite looks with hubcaps, a bench seat and a 440 under the hood. I don't like stuff that looks all blinged up. It serves no purpose.

A Benchmade or Spyderco has beauty because it functions like mad. The picture of the knife in the first post of this thread would most likely be out lasted by a Ka-Bar fixed blade of the same size that costs $50.

The thing that Megalobyte posted about my father in law has nothing to do with nothing. I don't want to use a $1 knife but I refuse to pay $1800 when I can get the same thing for $100. You can't equate that to a Chineese knife as I have purposely broken them in half before with little effort. Something I haven't been able to do with a Benchmade.

Let's all be nice and have a happy new year. Start over :).
 
Copper Crayon said:
I don't want to use a $1 knife but I refuse to pay $1800 when I can get the same thing for $100.
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And we are saying that you cant get the same thing for $100.
 
I think what CC keeps missing is that Dietmar Kressler is pretty openly accepted as one of the finest knifemakers in the world. Think about that. Apply it to ANY craft, any art, anything, and show me ANY item made by any of those top-in-the-world makers in any field that is in a pricerange close to a walmart special of a comparable item. If you can do that, I will listen.

You won't be able to. Why? Because they are the BEST IN THE WORLD. Would you expect a small original watercolor by matisse to be the same price as a print of it simply because "they look the same"? They arent the same, and no matter how hard you try to make it so in your brain, they will never be.
 
Copper Crayon said:
Let's all be nice and have a happy new year. Start over :).
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Being 'nice' starts with being open-minded. Your move.

Coop
 
To use the Plymouth analogy...
Why a 440? a straight six will get you to Grandmama's house just as good.
And you'll be wasting $ on gas with that big 440 too.
Hubcaps? They'll only fall off.

The point is, just cause you don't like to wear plaid, there is no reason to put down those that do :D

Coop said it best.
Cheers.
 
Copper Crayon said:
You guys have it all wrong. I'm not unwilling to learn I simply think $1800 + for a knife is too much.

Yes, I do think knives are tools and that's how I use them. I don't baby them and I don't let them sit on a shelf. That doesn't mean I don't see their beauty. If I didn't see their beauty I wouldn't use a Benchmade like I do, I would use a $1 Chineese knife.

My main point is this:
Since I use my knives I cannot see how an $1800 knife could outlast a Benchmade with G10 scales and Titanium liners. I'd like to see one of those $500 dimascus folders put to the test beside a Benchmade 710.

What I'm saying is I'm a form follows function person. Beauty for me is how a tank looks or how a Plymouth Satellite looks with hubcaps, a bench seat and a 440 under the hood. I don't like stuff that looks all blinged up. It serves no purpose.

A Benchmade or Spyderco has beauty because it functions like mad. The picture of the knife in the first post of this thread would most likely be out lasted by a Ka-Bar fixed blade of the same size that costs $50.

The thing that Megalobyte posted about my father in law has nothing to do with nothing. I don't want to use a $1 knife but I refuse to pay $1800 when I can get the same thing for $100. You can't equate that to a Chineese knife as I have purposely broken them in half before with little effort. Something I haven't been able to do with a Benchmade.

Let's all be nice and have a happy new year. Start over :).
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SO MUCH BETTER. Starting over should be the watch word of the New Year!

Thaniks CC for stepping up. Happy New Year to all! A. G.
 
Well, I'll rethink what I've said and try over this next year to understand why I might like to have a knife that costs that much money.

I don't mean to sound closed minded. I'm willing to learn. God knows I have a lot to learn.

I'll put my best foot forward on this.
 
CC, I'm glad this seems to be ending on a civil note, nobody is saying you need to like expensive, fancy knives, just that you acknowledge that just because you don't like them, doesn't mean that those who do are stupid, or wasting their money, which is kind of the feeling I had been getting from your posts. There's plenty of room in the knife world for both types of knife lovers, those who use them hard, and think of them as tools and those who appreciate them for other reasons. Like I said before, to each his own.

Have a good NY CC, and everyone.
 
Copper, it is okay for you to think that spending that much on a knife is totally moronic. But you must accept that it is no more or less moronic than spending that much on something you do like, such as a muscle car. Hobbies and collections tend to be driven by passion and desire, not logic and reason.

We all like different things. If someone is willing to spend that much for that knife, then it is worth it. To them. That is what matters.

I understand your point that an expensive custom doesn't function any better than a high-end production knife. But people that buy high-end customs aren't always interested in function alone, or even *AT ALL*. Sometimes they do just want the name, because as collectors, there are certain knife-makers that you want in your collection.

A new Civic is a much better car than a '69 GTO in terms of function, but if you were a muscle car collector, which would you spend your 20 grand on? Some might call you foolish, but you are going by your passion, not function. If that makes you happy, and you can afford it, then what is the problem?
 
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