Wrong Doers Among Us....

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brianNH said:
I think the original poster meant no harm, and his point was simply a message to take care of your fellow Hogs and try to be fair. Immidiately he was challenged. Ever hear the old saying "the guilty dog barks first"?
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I believe I was the initial dissenter to this post. I therefore "barked first". But as previously stated I have never sold any knife here. I retain my Gold Membership because I believe in supporting this community. I do however maintain that the other dues paying sellers have the right to set their own prices and then have the market adjust them accordingly.
 
Bravado said:
Relax, this person is probably just another ebayer trying to make their usual buy low sell high markup so they come over here and stir up the shit only to benefit themselves!:thumbdn:
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I suspect INFI MAN!!! and ICY27 and Captain 5 Posts are the same puddin'-stirrer. Is there a thumbsucker icon?
 
blame the people paying premium prices, not the people selling them

the thing with a market like this is that people come to you, you can post a price that 98% of the population thinks is exorbitant, but with hundreds or thousands of people looking at it, it's not hard to find one person willing to pay that

i don't really see a problem paying 20-30% over MSRP for something that i can get now instead of waiting months for, or can no longer buy

i don't think it's that reasonable to expect someone to give up something out of print for what they have in it. why even sell something if you are only making like 10% on $300? unless you are in need of immediate cash for some reason

that being said, i'm dying for a user piece of INFI and anyone needing cash with an extra used Battle Mistress they want to give me for MSRP... i'm waiting ;) (i'd settle for a Camp Tramp for that matter)
 
Wow- interesting thread- can't resist adding my $.02.

One point of interest to me is that in the several threads of this nature I've seen lately, those that I have identified as the worst "offenders" have not participated, so it's doubtful we're having much effect on them.

I'm surprised nobody suggested Busse charge a reverse volume discount- the more knives you buy, the more you pay for them. As long as it's obvious someone is buying to make a profit, shouldn't Busse participate?

The fact is, with a bit of attention to the exchange, the consistent price gougers are easy to identify. There are those who I don't even consider buying from because they are always a good bit higher than the previous prices.

My not dealing with them has not seemed to hurt them in the least- they sell lots of knives, many of which they also buy on the exchange from the more fair-minded among us. To me, that is the sad part. Unless the sellers refuse to deal with these folks, all the good deals do is give the gougers more opportunity to profit.

Eventually, they succeed in driving all the prices up. I guess this good when you want to sell- bad when you want to buy. In the mean time, if this behavior bothers you, don't deal with these people. We all make our own decisions as to whether we will pay that price for that knife, or buy from that person.

Let your actions speak for you.
 
MVF said:
I'm surprised nobody suggested Busse charge a reverse volume discount- the more knives you buy, the more you pay for them. As long as it's obvious someone is buying to make a profit, shouldn't Busse participate?
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How would this effect those of us who simply buy several for the point of collecting several whether that be 2 or 20? :confused: I don't think anyone should be penalized for buying regardless. The best and only way to protest a high mark up is not to buy it. That does not mean it was to high, just that it was more then you were wiling to pay.
 
I tried to read this thread and drink a beer..but it took 2 Yuenglings. If ya like the knife and price, buy it. I wish I could buy Busse's 10 at a time, so I could sell some and use the profits to buy more Busse's.
 
cleaner145 said:
How would this effect those of us who simply buy several for the point of collecting several whether that be 2 or 20? :confused:
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20 of the same model? If someone is buying that many identical knives, it's a safe bet that they're buying to resell, not to collect.
 
Scott Hartman said:
I wish I could buy Busse's 10 at a time, so I could sell some and use the profits to buy more Busse's.
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That would be great! All you need is a green name (aka Dealer) and you would be all set. If your in it soley for a profit, then you need the "Dealer" tag...
 
Rich_S said:
20 of the same model? If someone is buying that many identical knives, it's a safe bet that they're buying to resell, not to collect.
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The same model does not necessarily mean identical knives. Just look at some of the impressive collections of several of our contributers here. And if I want 20 of the same knife just to spell out "OINK" or "Infi" with well that's my right too, although the wife will never understand this :eek: . In the end, this discussion is still academic. Supply will dictate demand and price.
 
Rich_S said:
20 of the same model? If someone is buying that many identical knives, it's a safe bet that they're buying to resell, not to collect.
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Not necessarily....:cool:
 
cleaner145 said:
Supply will dictate demand and price.
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Not to split hairs, but a combination of supply of the good and demand for that good, and their associated elasticities will determine the price for the good.

Anyway, thats still all accademic as for this to hold totally true, all other non-price factors must be held constant, which is never the case in real life.
 
GlassJax said:
Not to split hairs, but a combination of supply of the good and demand for that good, and their associated elasticities will determine the price for the good.

Anyway, thats still all accademic as for this to hold totally true, all other non-price factors must be held constant, which is never the case in real life.
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Yea....what he said. :D It should have been "supply and demand" will dictate price.
 
Ok, I did not want to get dragged into a discussion about this stuff, especially considering that the person who started it all, joined just to start this thread and would normally be considered a Troll. First lets discuss this issue. Busse knives are not the only knives that command a huge profit. Strider fixed blades with cord wrapped handles command more:eek: and resell for more or use to. Mad Dog knives command or use to command huge increases. Spyderco knives tend to command more in their special run knives. Microtech does as well. Oh and lets not forget Randall. You wait 3 years to get the knife or pay twice as much for a reseller's blade. Did you go and post in those forums as well?

Ok, getting to the point. I know you must be one pissed off buger, because you missed some sales or extraveganzas. The truth is I use to get pissed off when I missed a blade many times, or wished I had bought more than one, etc. I know that whatever I want will eventually be resold and if the price is right or I am willing to pay then it's mine, if not oh well. But to say that someone is a "wrongdoer" because thy sell at a profit goes against our freetrade laws. No one is forcing anyone to buy the knife at that price. You are mad because the price is too high and you cannot afford it most likely. Hey, I cannot afford a Ferrari Modena even at used prices, so maybe they should lower prices just so I can own one too. I've been there. It sucks, but that is life. Get over it.

The title alone is accusational. If you really meant to garner a true discussion about reselling then you would have gone nto the general forum and posted in general terms, as the entire industry does this not just Busse knife colectors. Too late now though, because your intent has been to stir thngs up. There has been a lot of that as of late. People comming in here under Troll names to stir things up. I am not sure why. I find it very interestng though.
 
i'm new to the Busse forum, but the way i see it is that we are all big boys here( or girls, AMY-O). i just paid 675 for a ergo battle mistress, is that actually what its worth? it is to me because i wanted it. Besides you get what you pay for. Busse makes a high quality knife, if i wanted a cheap knife i'd go to wal-mart and buy one.
 
cleaner145 said:
I believe I was the initial dissenter to this post. I therefore "barked first". But as previously stated I have never sold any knife here. I retain my Gold Membership because I believe in supporting this community. I do however maintain that the other dues paying sellers have the right to set their own prices and then have the market adjust them accordingly.
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I believe they have the right to set the prices to whatever they would like as well, however, whats in question is how much is too much before it's considered gouging?

One of the things that was really not defined at the beginning of this is what consitutes "gouging". I am not opposed to one making a profit but I think people should be fair with their pricing regardless of what the market will bear. Just because we're selling water to thirsty people doesn't mean we should take advantage of them.
 
brianNH said:
I believe they have the right to set the prices to whatever they would like as well, however, whats in question is how much is too much before it's considered gouging?

One of the things that was really not defined at the beginning of this is what consitutes "gouging". I am not opposed to one making a profit but I think people should be fair with their pricing regardless of what the market will bear. Just because we're selling water to thirsty people doesn't mean we should take advantage of them.
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Busse re-sellers are NOT selling water to thirsty people. Period. Busse knives are not essential to life. Period. If one really NEEDS a knife, plenty are available in ALL price ranges. If one WANTS a Busse, one has to pay for a Busse. It's not that difficult to figure out.
 
Wow:eek: This makes for interesting reading on a lazy Sunday morning while nursing a minor hangover.

I hate to play devils advocate and I am not giving an opinion, I am merely going to ask a question.

If someone buys a knife from the company store and then resells it two weeks later with a one hundred dollar markup, is it possible that the Company Store and Busse Combat will see that the consumer is willing to pay a higher price and raise their prices?

I know that Jerry is a great guy, but $100.00 times every piece sold at Busse Combat is a hell of a temptation for any man.

Just my two cents worth and I hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Keep'em Sharp,
rjd
 
Yet another thread for FNG's to cry in their beer about not getting what they want, when they want it. There is a thread started like this in the Swamp Rat forums so you can probably go there to trianglulate who the cry baby is. Be on the stick when a knife is offered and buy it or be prepared to pay a little more later AND be thankful some someone will sell what you are looking for. :jerkit:

Oh...and by the way. Welcome.
 
I think everyone is missing the best post of this entire thread.....mine. ;) Since you must have missed it before I'm qouting myself so that you can see it this time. Now read and learn. This is how it's done ;) :p


Eric Isaacson said:
You know what ticks me off? It's those guys that bought Microsoft stock when it was $2 a share. Man it burns my butt that they won't sell it to me for $4 a share, afterall they are making 2 times what they paid for it. Who cares that they had to take a risk in buying it, hoping that it might go up, and maybe losing all their money.

I can't stand those guys, trying to take advantage of me and selling for what it's worth. Stinking capitalists ;)
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I forgot to add those Microsoft guys are just being mean to me and I don't like it. Price gouging meanies.

;)

:D:D
 
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