Wrong Doers Among Us....

[madfast]

the point is that people are HOGGING knives from the company store or extravaganzas with the SOLE INTENT to sell for PROFIT. this is NOT fair for us who actually WANT the knife, and not as a means to make quick EASY cash. and since the knives offered in the company store or extravaganza are limited runs and such you are FORCED to buy it plus a "middleman premium" if you ever want to own it. if the company store sells out and we don't have these people reselling them for 50% markup then people wouldn't be bitter. we just missed it. but when you see these people resell them immediately after getting it, plus a huge premium, it pisses people off. another person was denied a chance to own a nice limited edition busse just because somebody wants to make easy money.

yeah it's a free country and we can do whatever we want, BUT that DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. :thumbdn:

i thought a hobby was supposed to be FUN?

 

[GlassJax]

yeah it's a free country and we can do whatever we want, BUT that DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. :thumbdn:

i thought a hobby was supposed to be FUN?

madfast with the most to-the-point and clearly understandable post of the tread thus far...

Everyone should reread it a couple times. He's simple and he's right.

 

[Cobalt]

the point is that people are HOGGING knives from the company store or extravaganzas with the SOLE INTENT to sell for PROFIT. this is NOT fair for us who actually WANT the knife, and not as a means to make quick EASY cash. and since the knives offered in the company store or extravaganza are limited runs and such you are FORCED to buy it plus a "middleman premium" if you ever want to own it. if the company store sells out and we don't have these people reselling them for 50% markup then people wouldn't be bitter. we just missed it. but when you see these people resell them immediately after getting it, plus a huge premium, it pisses people off. another person was denied a chance to own a nice limited edition busse just because somebody wants to make easy money.

yeah it's a free country and we can do whatever we want, BUT that DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. :thumbdn:

i thought a hobby was supposed to be FUN?

While I don't personally agree with buying large uantities of knives to immediately resell them for much more, it is not against any laws or rules and is thus allowed. If you pay attention in the forum, you can get what you want as well. And some people do sell the knives for reasonable prices. I sold a ripper for what I paid just recently and I easily could have gotten 200 more for it. I didn't feel right doing that. I also sold two Hell Razors for under eretail even though I knew I could have kept them a few months and made much more money if I wanted, but I did ot care. That is my way. However, if I sell one of my baby's(keepers), you can bet it won't be cheap.

 

[cleaner145]

madfast with the most to-the-point and clearly understandable post of the tread thus far...

Everyone should reread it a couple times. He's simple and he's right.

I'm going to have to disagree. I don't own many of the knives that I would like but am still having fun. I don't sell knives, but I certainly make myself available for extravaganza's and limited offerings. And I'm not about to start telling supporting members of the forum what price they should sell their property at. Everyone has the same chance at purchasing these knives. I don't agree with purchasing large quantities for resale and I vehemently protest those whose mark ups I personally feel are too high by not purchasing their blade. If another does, is their any "fault" to be assigned?

 

[Rich_S]

the point is that people are HOGGING knives from the company store or extravaganzas with the SOLE INTENT to sell for PROFIT. this is NOT fair for us who actually WANT the knife, and not as a means to make quick EASY cash. and since the knives offered in the company store or extravaganza are limited runs and such you are FORCED to buy it plus a "middleman premium" if you ever want to own it. if the company store sells out and we don't have these people reselling them for 50% markup then people wouldn't be bitter. we just missed it. but when you see these people resell them immediately after getting it, plus a huge premium, it pisses people off. another person was denied a chance to own a nice limited edition busse just because somebody wants to make easy money.

Yes. I agree 100%. That is exactly the point I have made in this thread and others.

No one is saying that a person shouldn't be able to sell a knife for whatever price they want. No one is saying that a person shouldn't be able to pay whatever price they want to buy a knife. It's a free market.

The thing that is pissing a lot of people off is the fact that a small number of individuals are buying all the knives up in bulk for no other reason than to resell them at a profit a short time later when there is no more primary supply. That doesn't benefit the people that actually want the knives to use/collect nor does it benefit Busse.

 

[GlassJax]

it is not against any laws or rules and is thus allowed.

Cobalt - you are absolutely right. It is a matter of ethics, which comes more from within (in a man's heart) more then from the outside world (like laws and rules).

Again - read madfast's post. It's good.

Reread Spark's rules about "dealers" - a lot of what we are discussing would go away if people truely in it for the money were to follow his (Spark's) rules.

 

[aaronjayl]

I do understand your frustration. It is disappointing at times. I suppose I just look at it a little differently and fully accept it as part of collecting in general, not just as far as Busses are concerned. I see it like this. How is a person buying extra to sell for profit right off the bat really any different than somebody who's buying the knives to stick in the safe as an investment (which as far as I'm concerned is the nature of collecting)?

 

[Uncle Tom]

The one thing right about madfast's last post is that it was simple. I think it's NOT FAIR that Idaho Skunk spends his own money to purchase blades and then sell them- maybe even making an evil profit- without holding hundreds of them in his inventory, at his expense, until we all take our sweet time deciding to make a purchase. I asked my four year old nephew, and he agreed, that would be FAIR.

I blame Skunk!!

 

[brianNH]

This thread was not to piss, whine, troll, etc. It is a legitimate concern that high prices are becoming a ridiculous trend of charging $100 more for a model that was just sold out.

People charging $100 more for a model that was just sold out is more than ok with all of the people who posted in this thread. Apparently it is filling some sort of need for them that people are doing it.

Now before you go posting that legal mumbo jumbo from Spark about "you might be a dealer", be aware Mr Seth has done some "legal research" on his own and has got you up on charges for regestering a "gimmick account", you trickster you.

I simply posted this thread to see if others were concerned as well and to state that I think it is sad that people are getting stuck with extremely high prices.

No one is concerned. There is a strange dynamic here though, almost like a "beehive mentality" where one or two members set the tone and do the thinking and controlling of the rest.

Now, I know my words come across as mixed and I am hoping that you will understand the meaning. If not, my apologies. If I were a troll as some are thinking, why would I continue to stand behind my arguement? I did not come here to stir things up or start fights. I came here to post a concern, granted it came out in poor fashion.

If they dont get the meaning after 6 pages, it aint happening. Have you ever tried telling a 5 year old there's no such thing as santa?

 

[cleaner145]

I do understand your frustration. It is disappointing at times. I suppose I just look at it a little differently and fully accept it as part of collecting in general, not just as far as Busses are concerned. I see it like this. How is a person buying extra to sell for profit right off the bat really any different than somebody who's buying the knives to stick in the safe as an investment (which as far as I'm concerned is the nature of collecting)?

This ones simple. A knife that goes into some of these safes aka "great black holes" will never be available for purchase again regardless of the profit margin.

 

[J_Curd]

The inflated prices are exactly what has kept me from buying an Busse knives. I want one horribly, but when a few people buy all the stock out, then inflate the prices, I just refuse to buy. Not cool

 

[GlassJax]

The one thing right about madfast's last post is that it was simple. I think it's NOT FAIR that Idaho Skunk spends his own money to purchase blades and then sell them- maybe even making an evil profit- without holding hundreds of them in his inventory, at his expense, until we all take our sweet time deciding to make a purchase. I asked my four year old nephew, and he agreed, that would be FAIR.

I blame Skunk!!

IMHO - I take this as more of a troll post the any INFiman has posted so far.

 

[rbmcmjr]

Reread Spark's rules about "dealers" - a lot of what we are discussing would go away if people truely in it for the money were to follow his (Spark's) rules.

Spark's rules apply to Spark's Exchange. He does not control the operations of the Skunk's store or Jerry's company.

 

[Uncle Tom]

People charging $100 more for a model that was just sold out is more than ok with all of the people who posted in this thread. Apparently it is filling some sort of need for them that people are doing it.

Now before you go posting that legal mumbo jumbo from Spark about "you might be a dealer", be aware Mr Seth has done some "legal research" on his own and has got you up on charges for regestering a "gimmick account", you trickster you.



No one is concerned. There is a strange dynamic here though, almost like a "beehive mentality" where one or two members set the tone and do the thinking and controlling of the rest.



If they dont get the meaning after 6 pages, it aint happening. Have you ever tried telling a 5 year old there's no such thing as santa?

There is a dynamic here, obviously strange to you because you completely missed it. It's called "thinking for yourself and acting in your own best interest." Were more peple to do that the world would be a better place.

 

[rbmcmjr]

IMHO - I take this as more of a troll post the any INFiman has posted so far.

Apparently satire is lost upon you? Jonathan Swift must be spinning in his grave.

 

[cleaner145]

The inflated prices are exactly what has kept me from buying an Busse knives. I want one horribly, but when a few people buy all the stock out, then inflate the prices, I just refuse to buy. Not cool

I believe that ALL the knives offered by Busse Combat for the last two years at least were available for months from the Trough itself. You could have ordered as many as you wanted in whatever combination was offered. This discussion really centers around those wanting an immediate fix of an older model.

 

[GlassJax]

Spark's rules apply to Spark's Exchange. He does not control the operations of the Skunk's store or Jerry's company.

None of this discussion is about Skunk's Store or about Jerry's. Have you aleast skimmed over some of the other pages of this huge thread?

Apparently satire is lost upon you? Jonathan Swift must be spinning in his grave.

Your saying that satire can not be used as a trolling mechanism?

 

[brianNH]

the point is that people are HOGGING knives from the company store or extravaganzas with the SOLE INTENT to sell for PROFIT. this is NOT fair for us who actually WANT the knife, and not as a means to make quick EASY cash. and since the knives offered in the company store or extravaganza are limited runs and such you are FORCED to buy it plus a "middleman premium" if you ever want to own it. if the company store sells out and we don't have these people reselling them for 50% markup then people wouldn't be bitter. we just missed it. but when you see these people resell them immediately after getting it, plus a huge premium, it pisses people off. another person was denied a chance to own a nice limited edition busse just because somebody wants to make easy money.

yeah it's a free country and we can do whatever we want, BUT that DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. :thumbdn:

Thanks for explaining this in a way some can understand.

As I said way earlier in this post, there are those who believe in gouging, and those who dont. A lot of the Gougers have already checked in. :thumbup:

 

[brianNH]

There is a dynamic here, obviously strange to you because you completely missed it. It's called "thinking for yourself and acting in your own best interest." Were more peple to do that the world would be a better place.

Another Gouger checking in :thumbup:

 

[Yager]

listen guys, the knives are available from Busse for a long time(as in the case of the War Boar, a really long time!) then some standard version of those blades are usually available from Skunk at the Company store for quite a while, as Skunk buys alot! Thanks Skunk! ANYBODY that wants one can just buy one, or ten, or one hundred.
Then we have the extravaganza blades, or blades from the shows. These require considerable time and/or expense just to purchase. once they are gone, they are gone and the secondary market takes over, for what ever it is worth.
I learned long ago that if you like something, buy 2 or 3, because if it's a great product you like it seems to get discontinued. I do this with boots all the time. So when i see a knife i like, i usually buy 1 or 2. most of these stay in my safe(s). I will only usually sell if there is a DEMAND for the knife at a price i am willing to let it go for. It might be at a loss(sold and traded lots this way) Shouldn't the buyer have said "wait, that knife is worth way more, here you go!" and paid me more?
usually if i do not like a knife it sells at a loss or near cost, but if i really like a knife, i am not selling it unless the price is way above what i paid. If i see that happening, whether it is a year later or a DAY later, then i might sell.
and this does not just apply to Busse's, i like all kinds! (i just think Busse's are one of the best!)
and I have not seen any Gold member buying lots of blades and reselling, usually just 1 or 2 of the same model. You never see " Busse SJT for sale, 10 black on black, 10 tan on tan, etc..." well, only at the Company Store, thanks again Skunk!