You Can't Beat INFI . . . . . Oh, Really? . . . Watch This!!! . . . INFI Destruction Test! . . .

[Cobalt]

Don’t get me wrong I love my Megas. I promise to be more gentle with them in the future. My point revolves around my observation that as great of a knifemaker Jerry is he is an even greater marketer.

He lets his knives do the marketing. The point you missed was what so many have been saying. You can't take someone at face value, who treats a euro trash knife like a feather duster, then treats an american made knife like a jack hammer. joes tests are worthless, because there is no consistency. He is entertaining and I will admit to having watched many of his vids and I am glad he is having fun with it. Having said that, there are scientists that don't understand the real world either, and this is evident in much of what you see today, with misinterpreted results from videos or tests. So people like Cliff and Noss, where the happy medium where science and actual use met in the middle and gave better results than the extremes of both.

 

[Gravelface]

B Bobba? what’s getting you worked up? Have you broke any of your knives?

An idiot broke one for attention. In no way that makes them fragile. Yes, Jerry is a master knife maker and at marketing. As his product is superior to many others after decades of real use the knives sell themselves.

 

[Bobba?]

B Bobba? what’s getting you worked up? Have you broke any of your knives?

An idiot broke one for attention. In no way that makes them fragile. Yes, Jerry is a master knife maker and at marketing. As his product is superior to many others after decades of real use the knives sell themselves.

No I have not. Point taken.

 

[Jerry Busse]

. . . Should I have understood these were only fragile novelty releases?

Whoa!

There is nothing "Fragile" about these knives. "NOTHING"

But here's the kicker, they are actually "knives" and not concrete chisels. That is why they don't look like, nor do they have the geometry of concrete chisels.

They are designed to chop and cut anything in the wild and anything normally cut with a knife. Beyond that, they are designed to sustain an enormous amount of abuse outside of the knife cutting realm.

Here's the great news! If you accidentally do impact rocks or steel or whatever else you may run into, these knives are designed to survive. If, however, you find yourself being attacked by concrete clad, pipe wielding robots, then you've got bigger problems on your hands than how well your knife will hold up.

If your Busse Kin Knives don't fair well against whatever they hit, there are NEVER any worries, since our warranty has you covered against any and all unintentional damage.

I was deer hunting in Kentucky many years ago and I came upon some rolled up barbwire that had one end nailed to an old tree.
I took out my Basic 9 and set out to teach that barbwire a lesson! Bad plan! I didn't know at the time that most barbwire is case hardened. That means that the outside is upwards of 65 RC and the inside is typically very soft. 65Rc wins over 58-60 Rc everytime!

Joe's demos are about intentionally destroying the knives in his videos. That's what he says, and that's what he does.

I understand that we have the biggest target on our back in the industry because of our 42 year hard earned reputation.

Getting shot at is part of the game. Our reputation among those who really know and love knives has not changed, nor will it.

Know this, had Joe called here and asked which of our knives were designed for cutting concrete, chopping up cars, and beating on with metal pipes, he would've been told that "knives" are the wrong tool category for him to be searching in.

Perhaps a case-hardened knife made out of mild steel would survive his demo more than anything out there.

We will be sending Joe some INFI blades to destroy that are designed around his intended targets.

Let's Drink!

Jerry

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[Jerry Busse]

.... I love my Megas. I promise to be more gentle with them in the future.

Be warned! If you are more gentle with them, do not be surprised if they run away in search of a more abusive home!!!

Let's Drink!!!

Jerry

 

[Bobba?]

Whoa!

There is nothing "Fragile" about these knives. "NOTHING"

But here's the kicker, they are actually "knives" and not concrete chisels. That is why they don't look like, nor do they have the geometry of concrete chisels.

They are designed to chop and cut anything in the wild and anything normally cut with a knife. Beyond that, they are designed to sustain an enormous amount of abuse outside of the knife cutting realm.

Here's the great news! If you accidentally do impact rocks or steel or whatever else you may run into, these knives are designed to survive. If, however, you find yourself being attacked by concrete clad, pipe wielding robots, then you've got bigger problems on your hands than how well your knife will hold up.

If your Busse Kin Knives don't fair well against whatever they hit, there are NEVER any worries, since our warranty has you covered against any and all unintentional damage.

I was deer hunting in Kentucky many years ago and I came upon some rolled up barbwire that had one end nailed to an old tree.
I took out my Basic 9 and set out to teach that barbwire a lesson! Bad plan! I didn't know at the time that most barbwire is case hardened. That means that the outside is upwards of 65 RC and the inside is typically very soft. 65Rc wins over 58-60 Rc everytime!

Joe's demos are about intentionally destroying the knives in his videos. That's what he says, and that's what he does.

I understand that we have the biggest target on our back in the industry because of our 42 year hard earned reputation.

Getting shot at is part of the game. Our reputation among those who really know and love knives has not changed, nor will it.

Know this, had Joe called here and asked which of our knives were designed for cutting concrete, chopping up cars, and beating on with metal pipes, he would've been told that "knives" are the wrong tool category for him to be searching in.

Perhaps a case-hardened knife made out of mild steel would survive his demo more than anything out there.

We will be sending Joe some INFI blades to destroy that are designed around his intended targets.

Let's Drink!

Jerry

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Cheers and Happy St Patrick’s day.

 

[Jerry Busse]

Cheers and Happy St Patrick’s day.

God bless you my friend!

Cheers!

Jerry

.

 

[hydeinmind]

Whoa!

There is nothing "Fragile" about these knives. "NOTHING"

But here's the kicker, they are actually "knives" and not concrete chisels. That is why they don't look like, nor do they have the geometry of concrete chisels.

They are designed to chop and cut anything in the wild and anything normally cut with a knife. Beyond that, they are designed to sustain an enormous amount of abuse outside of the knife cutting realm.

Here's the great news! If you accidentally do impact rocks or steel or whatever else you may run into, these knives are designed to survive. If, however, you find yourself being attacked by concrete clad, pipe wielding robots, then you've got bigger problems on your hands than how well your knife will hold up.

If your Busse Kin Knives don't fair well against whatever they hit, there are NEVER any worries, since our warranty has you covered against any and all unintentional damage.

I was deer hunting in Kentucky many years ago and I came upon some rolled up barbwire that had one end nailed to an old tree.
I took out my Basic 9 and set out to teach that barbwire a lesson! Bad plan! I didn't know at the time that most barbwire is case hardened. That means that the outside is upwards of 65 RC and the inside is typically very soft. 65Rc wins over 58-60 Rc everytime!

Joe's demos are about intentionally destroying the knives in his videos. That's what he says, and that's what he does.

I understand that we have the biggest target on our back in the industry because of our 42 year hard earned reputation.

Getting shot at is part of the game. Our reputation among those who really know and love knives has not changed, nor will it.

Know this, had Joe called here and asked which of our knives were designed for cutting concrete, chopping up cars, and beating on with metal pipes, he would've been told that "knives" are the wrong tool category for him to be searching in.

Perhaps a case-hardened knife made out of mild steel would survive his demo more than anything out there.

We will be sending Joe some INFI blades to destroy that are designed around his intended targets.

Let's Drink!

Jerry

.

That’s freakin awesome Jerry! You’re a class act and you never cease to amaze me sir! As do your blades!

 

[cobrajet]

Any chance at a video on how to properly fix a blade that has suffered that damage? Tips and tricks from the pros.

 

[Leonardo63]

Sounded like you need to take a break and catch your breath there Garth

 

[scdub]

The only way to have an honest toe-to-toe with the many different knife steels on the market today is to have the exact same geometry across the board in these different steels.

Then you must replicate these tests as mechanically as possible in order to have the same number of hits and impact power as possible.

This would help to eliminate the possibility of human error, fatigue, or prejudice.

Many/most here agree I think.

Seeing what one edge can do is nice, but direct comparison is so much more informative.

I hope you’re cooking up something like you describe.

 

[David Brown]

what I hope is sent to Joe

 

[Cobalt]

Many/most here agree I think.

Seeing what one edge can do is nice, but direct comparison is so much more informative.

I hope you’re cooking up something like you describe.

Comparisons to what? You want a manufacturer to get another makers knife and do a comparison? Most would not do that. Thats for independent testers to do. Like us.

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

Comparisons to what? You want a manufacturer to get another makers knife and do a comparison? Most would not do that. Thats for independent testers to do. Like us.

that sounds like a challenge

 

[scdub]

Comparisons to what? You want a manufacturer to get another makers knife and do a comparison? Most would not do that. Thats for independent testers to do. Like us.

Sure I’d like it - 100% - but I also understand that there are reasons why that might not be ideal.

I’d also be happy with repeatable testing between INFI, SR77, SR101, and the Busse version of 3V…

My point is that without some direct comparison to another blade, any demonstration of blade toughness is much less informative.

 

[Cobalt]

Sure I’d like it - 100% - but I also understand that there are reasons why that might not be ideal.

I’d also be happy with repeatable testing between INFI, SR77, SR101, and the Busse version of 3V…

My point is that without some direct comparison to another blade, any demonstration of blade toughness is much less informative.

I don't see the point to internal comparisons, when the steels are no longer in production(like SR77), but I would prefer to see is something like 3v HT'd by Peters which is the standard and run against all the Busse steels. But I could also see a run of testing like the original testing done by Busse. As far as I'm concerned it isn't for Busse to compare themselves to the outside world, it is for others to see how they stack up against Busse. Busse isn't the one to have to prove itself after nearly 30 years of proof. You can just see it in the sticky threads on this forum for proof. Busse knives are tested on a daily basis harder than 99% of the knives on the market. What is even more amazing is that Busse's are expensive, yet tested hard.

 

[scdub]

As far as I'm concerned it isn't for Busse to compare themselves to the outside world, it is for others to see how they stack up against Busse.

To be clear, I’m not just suggesting these tests out of the blue - I’m responding in large part to the post below.

Sounds like they already plan to test a “variety of steels”, and I assume/hope that means they will be tested in a comparative and repeatable fashion so that solid conclusions can be formed from the results…

If you want to know how different steels with varying Rockwell hardnesses, bevel geometries, and edge angles hold up under impact, you must have knives made with the same bevel and edge geometry in order to compare them. Otherwise, your comparisons in knife steel will carry very little weight with those who truly love and use knives.

So, what can be done? We are currently putting several tests together that will highlight these differences.

These tests will show the areas where a variety of knife steels excel and which steels perform better for different applications.

This will take a lot of time, testing, and effort to put together, but it should be worth it. So, stay tuned my friends!

 

[Xapur]

When I see how easily JoeX breaks Busse knives, it no longer makes me want to own one. Goodbye my Battle Mistress, my Ash1, my Sasquatch, etc. I am disappointed by all these words and all these false beliefs. I no longer trust them. There is now too much disparity between marketing claims and the actual resilience and price of the knives.

 

[pmwc78]

When I see how easily JoeX breaks Busse knives, it no longer makes me want to own one. Goodbye my Battle Mistress, my Ash1, my Sasquatch, etc. I am disappointed by all these words and all these false beliefs. I no longer trust them. There is now too much disparity between marketing claims and the actual resilience and price of the knives.

Sure thing. Head over to the sales forum and post them.

 

[Kdbutler2]

When I see how easily JoeX breaks Busse knives, it no longer makes me want to own one. Goodbye my Battle Mistress, my Ash1, my Sasquatch, etc. I am disappointed by all these words and all these false beliefs. I no longer trust them. There is now too much disparity between marketing claims and the actual resilience and price of the knives.

I'll buy the sarsquash for $50