You Can't Beat INFI . . . . . Oh, Really? . . . Watch This!!! . . . INFI Destruction Test! . . .

[Lil' Foo]

All of them. And their blades never broke, because I didn't stress them as much as Joe X did. The Busses look great. My favorite was the Sasquatch. But its handle was awkward to hold and tended to slip when I was chopping. I much prefer how reacts the 5160 on my Kailash khukury than the INFI steel.

What, exactly, do you think the intended use of a knife is?

 

[Nismo17]

All of them. And their blades never broke, because I didn't stress them as much as Joe X did. The Busses look great. My favorite was the Sasquatch. But its handle was awkward to hold and tended to slip when I was chopping. I much prefer how reacts the 5160 on my Kailash khukury than the INFI steel.

To each their own. everyone has a personal preferences and different size hands/strength

I loved using my Sasquatch no handle issues or hot spots. Taken down about 20 of those similar trees in video and chopped a cinder block in half with it.

I eventually destroyed the handle with a small sledgehammer doing extreme batoning then just cord wrapped it

 

[Laurarium]

All of them. And their blades never broke, because I didn't stress them as much as Joe X did. The Busses look great. My favorite was the Sasquatch. But its handle was awkward to hold and tended to slip when I was chopping. I much prefer how reacts the 5160 on my Kailash khukury than the INFI steel.

again, if 5160 is tougher than INFI, there will not be such S grade steels

 

[Laurarium]

Joke X cannot tell if a difference is made by the design or the material.

The WTG Ares performed well is not because SK-85 is some kind of super tough steel, which it is not. It is beacause it is very wide and has a large portion of flat stock.

Look at all the knives he tested, that have similar geometry of ASH2,BME2, there are ESEE junglas\WTG kodiak.
I think there is not one that performed better than BUSSE, except the AFBM which I think is a fluke.

 

[Laurarium]

Obviously, its edge rippled and its tip broke, because victorinox makes crappy knife, not because the knife is a FFG slicer which is thin behind the edge.
Doesn’t that sound dumb?

Sure a mora companion has a bevel more resistant to deformation as he said , but that is not because it is of higher quality, just because it has a low flat grind which is so much thicker.

All this just adds up to say:

Joke X cannot tell if a difference is made by the design or the material.

The knife has tang sticking out from the handle indicating it’s full-tang.
“looks like a shit tang to me”—joke x

 

[Jack of All Blades]

I much prefer how reacts the 5160 on my Kailash khukury than the INFI steel.

Pretty sure in the end, it would have the same result as the infi blades.

Except the 5160 rusts easily, can’t hold an edge, and isn’t much fun resharpening.. but hey to each their own!

 

[Laurarium]

Pretty sure in the end, it would have the same result as the infi blades.

Except the 5160 rusts easily, can’t hold an edge, and isn’t much fun resharpening.. but hey to each their own!

Well, 5160 is a perfectly fine steel.
It can hold an edge and be quite easy to sharpen.
I jusy found it nonsensical to say a 5160 with low-cost heat treatment would be more durable than INFI.
Especially in terms of strength and edge stability, as many cheap 5160 blades are left rather soft.

By the way, the knife in the video looks to have a large portion of flat stock which means it has lower cutting ability, but geometrically stronger and tougher.
And don’t forget:

Joke X cannot tell if a difference is made by the design or the material

As I have said, everyone can watch joke x tests, observe the raw results and come to a conclusion with a certain amount of value.
However, it would be so silly to blindly follow many those cynical and nonsensical statements Joke X made.

 

[Jack of All Blades]

Well, 5160 is a perfectly fine steel.
It can hold an edge and be quite easy to sharpen.
I jusy found it nonsensical to say a 5160 with low-cost heat treatment would be more durable than INFI.
Especially in terms of strength and edge stability, as many cheap 5160 blades are left rather soft.

Sorry I should have clarified I was only referring to the 5160 in Joes video. To some people, Joes videos are the “end all be all” of knife knowledge. So by their logic, if 5160 “rusts and can’t cut for sh**” as Joe states in his video, then it must be true!

Right Xapur?

 

[Xapur]

What I think is that Busse knives break very easily upon impact in JoeX's videos. A properly heat-treated 5160 steel blade would not break as easily from shock and flexing. You can mock me, attribute words or intentions to me that I don't have, I don't care. You love your Busses? Fine. As for me, I will no longer spend my money on such expensive knives that break like that. And so far, only videos like those of JoeX allow us to distinguish between words, sweet dreams, and reality.

The truth is hated when people profit from a lie, whether it be financial, ideological, or emotional profit.
Now that I've said what I felt the need to say, I feel no need to continue and will stop bothering you.

 

[Jack of All Blades]

What I think is that Busse knives break very easily upon impact in JoeX's videos. A properly heat-treated 5160 steel blade would not break as easily from shock and flexing.

The truth is hated when people profit from a lie, whether it be financial, ideological, or emotional profit.

A 5160 blade did break.. from shock and flexing.. see the video I posted.

And if 5160 performs better than infi in one aspect. It doesn’t when it comes to stainlessness and edge holding.

Like I said to each their own.

It sounds like you’re trying to make a claim that Busse has somehow “lied” its way through what, 35?years? Of a reputation of being great harduse knives. Thousands of customer testimonies and actual tests don’t lie. Why don’t you go try this with the CPK forum.
The facts don’t lie. INFI is a great steel, just as CPM-3V is a great steel by CPK. Don’t believe it? Don’t have to. We have plenty of flat earthers these days.

 

[Laurarium]

What I think is that Busse knives break very easily upon impact in JoeX's videos. A properly heat-treated 5160 steel blade would not break as easily from shock and flexing. You can mock me, attribute words or intentions to me that I don't have, I don't care. You love your Busses? Fine. As for me, I will no longer spend my money on such expensive knives that break like that. And so far, only videos like those of JoeX allow us to distinguish between words, sweet dreams, and reality.

The truth is hated when people profit from a lie, whether it be financial, ideological, or emotional profit.
Now that I've said what I felt the need to say, I feel no need to continue and will stop bothering you.

Such statements are not only inconsistent with material science, they don’t even fit joe x’ s testing.
put the fluke AFBM aside.
ASH2 and BME are inferior to NONE, compared to knives of similar geomery he tested(ESEE junglas and WTG Kodiak etc.)
Their performance are undeniable no matter how joe stated as if they are bad, just look at how he had to sit on the ground and incorporate his legs to bend the knife.

I also find it weird that you can totally test the knives yourself, see how they perform, and choose to believe someone who is heavily biased.
What are you afraid of?
If you broke them and feel like they broke too easily, just call jerry to send you new knives and sell them for couple hundred bucks to get loads of 5160 if you like.

 

[crowbardog]

He came in, pooped on the bed, ignored people that addressed his concern, repeated his ignorance. And dipped (after popping on the bed again). Not a word about the profile about the blade. Just random blathering. I don’t think he’s intentionally trolling. Just doesn’t have the critical thinking skills to comprehend what people wrote before him. That or selective “hearing”. In which case he’s a troll.

Later buddy. Going to miss you.

 

[crowbardog]

Oh and no reason to write JokeX. It’s built into his name. Pronounce it as one word. JoeX! This poor man needs to get laid. I was shocked when I saw a woman on his YouTube. Then he said it was his sister. Of course it is his sister. Ya know, cause he’s such a catch and all. Lmao.

 

[Jack of All Blades]

He came in, pooped on the bed, ignored people that addressed his concern, repeated his ignorance. And dipped (after popping on the bed again). Not a word about the profile about the blade. Just random blathering. I don’t think he’s intentionally trolling. Just doesn’t have the critical thinking skills to comprehend what people wrote before him. That or selective “hearing”. In which case he’s a troll.

Later buddy. Going to miss you.

Him essentially saying “truth hurts don’t it Busse fans?” And leaving screams intentionally trolling.

 

[Xapur]

What, exactly, do you think the intended use of a knife is?

Here's my answer Lil' Foo : The main function of a knife is to cut, slice, dice, saw, and/or pierce various materials. Each type of knife is designed for specific tasks, and its characteristics, such as the blade material and design, influence its performance and durability based on its intended use.

There is an important trade-off between knife materials in terms of durability and edge retention. The decision between the two depends on the intended use and the environment in which the knife will be employed. Soft steel knives are more forgiving and versatile in certain situations. They can be easily maintained and repaired, which can be particularly useful in demanding or unpredictable environments where a broken knife would be a significant disadvantage.

On the other hand, hard steel knives are valued for their edge retention, making them ideal for tasks requiring precision and consistent performance over long periods without frequent maintenance.

Thus, the best choice depends on specific needs and the context of use. However, in reality, my reaction and choice based on my personal experience lead me to prefer a soft steel knife that I need to sharpen often, which bends but does not break, and that I can straighten to continue using, rather than a hard steel knife that keeps its edge well but risks breaking into one or more pieces, rendering the tool mostly unusable. Therefore, Busse knives, especially the choppers, which fall into the latter category, are not among my preferred choices.

I had forgotten to respond to this question, as it annoys me to try to communicate with people who dare to call me ignorant, label me a troll, and say I lack critical thinking, while they have already forgotten the noise made by Busse knife blades when they break in JoeX’s videos. There are truly elements of sophistry worthy of true Pharisees in some comments. Blind and deaf. It seems that will never change.

 

[Lil' Foo]

Here's my answer Lil' Foo : The main function of a knife is to cut, slice, dice, saw, and/or pierce various materials. Each type of knife is designed for specific tasks, and its characteristics, such as the blade material and design, influence its performance and durability based on its intended use.

There is an important trade-off between knife materials in terms of durability and edge retention. The decision between the two depends on the intended use and the environment in which the knife will be employed. Soft steel knives are more forgiving and versatile in certain situations. They can be easily maintained and repaired, which can be particularly useful in demanding or unpredictable environments where a broken knife would be a significant disadvantage.

On the other hand, hard steel knives are valued for their edge retention, making them ideal for tasks requiring precision and consistent performance over long periods without frequent maintenance.

Thus, the best choice depends on specific needs and the context of use. However, in reality, my reaction and choice based on my personal experience lead me to prefer a soft steel knife that I need to sharpen often, which bends but does not break, and that I can straighten to continue using, rather than a hard steel knife that keeps its edge well but risks breaking into one or more pieces, rendering the tool mostly unusable. Therefore, Busse knives, especially the choppers, which fall into the latter category, are not among my preferred choices.

I had forgotten to respond to this question, as it annoys me to try to communicate with people who dare to call me ignorant, label me a troll, and say I lack critical thinking, while they have already forgotten the noise made by Busse knife blades when they break in JoeX’s videos. There are truly elements of sophistry worthy of true Pharisees in some comments. Blind and deaf. It seems that will never change.

Do you honestly think you'll find yourself in an environment or situation that your only option it to try and hack through a steel pipe or a boulder?

INFI along with Busse's heat treatment is a great steel that provides both good edge retension and yet soft enough to handle flex and any unintentional whack into a nail in a tree or rock.

I have a hard time believing that you'll find a good knife that would withstand a destruction "test" like JoeX subjects his knives to.

Best of luck to you in your search.

 

[Jerry Busse]

What I think is that Busse knives break very easily upon impact in JoeX's videos. A properly heat-treated 5160 steel blade would not break as easily from shock and flexing. You can mock me, attribute words or intentions to me that I don't have, I don't care. You love your Busses? Fine. As for me, I will no longer spend my money on such expensive knives that break like that. And so far, only videos like those of JoeX allow us to distinguish between words, sweet dreams, and reality.

The truth is hated when people profit from a lie, whether it be financial, ideological, or emotional profit.
Now that I've said what I felt the need to say, I feel no need to continue and will stop bothering you.

YOWZA!

I have no idea why anyone would make a bladeware decision based on Joe's demos. . . . None.

He sets out to break knives without any repeatable geometric or mechanical factors and then he breaks them.

He's an entertainer. . . And he's good at it. . . he is very entertaining! . . . That's all . . . He wears a mask and nearly kills himself in some of his videos. . .

They can be both scary and entertaining!

It isn't, "Wow, this guy really knows how to test a blade's performance" It's "Wow! This guy really knows how to capture an audience's attention!"

I get that there are a number of inexperienced audience members who have no idea that there is a difference between great and garbage bladeware.

But, it is very difficult for me to believe that anyone who really uses their knives on a day-to-day basis, could or would put any credence in what Joe is doing in his videos. Joe NEVER claims to be an expert in bladeware performance. . .

In other abusive knife tests where they typically use a repeatable number of impacts, cuts, similar angles, heavy strikes, etc. . . including those by Cliff Stamp and those done by Noss, INFI has always led the pack by a huge margin! The only knife that held up as long as the INFI Battle Mistress when Noss tested it, was a knife made out of steel that was double the thickness of our INFI blade. It was 1/2 inch thick and like the Battle Mistress, it did not break!

Hardness and geometry are the key factors that matter in a demo like Joe puts on.

Joe does NOT hit all of his test blades at the same angle, or with the same amount of impact or the same number of strikes.

We don't make false performance claims! Period! We are in our 42nd year of making knives!

We are the ONLY knife manufacturer that has performed "LIVE" tests and demos at Gun and Knife shows nationwide to support our performance claims.

That's how confident we are in our knives!

INFI has stood the test of time for more than 25 years. We have always encouraged our customers to beat their Busse blades as hard as they like in order to give them the same level of confidence in their bladeware that we have. Why would any maker or manufacturer encourage their customers to abuse their knives and then ensure them that they will be covered by our warranty if any major damage unexpectedly occurs?

Why? . . . . Because we already know what the results are going to be.

It is unfortunate that you sold off all of your Busse blades before pounding the sand out of them.

I hope they find a more abusive home where they will, most assuredly, find happiness.

I wish you well,

Jerry

 

[Jaxx]

Here's my answer Lil' Foo : The main function of a knife is to cut, slice, dice, saw, and/or pierce various materials. Each type of knife is designed for specific tasks, and its characteristics, such as the blade material and design, influence its performance and durability based on its intended use.

There is an important trade-off between knife materials in terms of durability and edge retention. The decision between the two depends on the intended use and the environment in which the knife will be employed. Soft steel knives are more forgiving and versatile in certain situations. They can be easily maintained and repaired, which can be particularly useful in demanding or unpredictable environments where a broken knife would be a significant disadvantage.

On the other hand, hard steel knives are valued for their edge retention, making them ideal for tasks requiring precision and consistent performance over long periods without frequent maintenance.

Thus, the best choice depends on specific needs and the context of use. However, in reality, my reaction and choice based on my personal experience lead me to prefer a soft steel knife that I need to sharpen often, which bends but does not break, and that I can straighten to continue using, rather than a hard steel knife that keeps its edge well but risks breaking into one or more pieces, rendering the tool mostly unusable. Therefore, Busse knives, especially the choppers, which fall into the latter category, are not among my preferred choices.

I had forgotten to respond to this question, as it annoys me to try to communicate with people who dare to call me ignorant, label me a troll, and say I lack critical thinking, while they have already forgotten the noise made by Busse knife blades when they break in JoeX’s videos. There are truly elements of sophistry worthy of true Pharisees in some comments. Blind and deaf. It seems that will never change.

What seems to never change is those that base their judgements of a specific knife or brand solely on others who abuse knives to destruction for likes on social media rather than personally using or testing a Busse themselves.

Most of us here have seen what a Busse can take. Some of us found more realistic ways to see if they can hold up. I've tested a CG Fusion Battle Mistress by placing it in the hands of a landscape crew & telling those guys to use it as hard as needed, to not worry if it failed as it has a warranty, & so they did. They didn't care about who made the knife. They didn't care about "likes".
They beat the sh!t out of it, bounced it off rocks, struck through the base of bushes & into the ground beyond, & kept going until the job was done. Worst damage was shearing off about 1/16- 1/8 inch of the tip on a large landscape boulder, some edge rolling, & even a little tearing out of the edge in over 6 hours of constant use. It took me about 1 hour to fix & resharpen to my satisfaction.
No breaking, no major tear outs or rolling, no other damage besides some coating wear.

I don't care what other folks think- if you beat a knife against something harder than the knife's steel for long enough, you will eventually break any knife one way or another, especially if you care more for popularity than performance of the knife (which was not a knife JoeX himself paid for, BTW). But, in 20 years, I've seen Busse's beaten, hammered, pounded, thrown, & even destroyed with intent. I've seen a Swamp Rat hawk used to cut a junk car literally in half & live to carry on (Those vids are still on YT, I believe). They hold up well, & in my eyes, they are a better balance of malleability combined with a higher strength & toughness than most any others in the same class as the Busse. It sharpens well in the field, yet seems to become harder in use the harder it's used. There is no one knife that does it all, but Busse's do seem to earn their keep quite well in all aspects of use. And, should one not live up to Busse standards, there is that warranty which states replacement as long as it was not *intentionally* destroyed or damaged.
That's my opinion, even after watching JoeX destroy an AFBM. Why? Because I've done my own test...I know they hold up under hard use....

Before:


After:


After cleanup & resharpening:


18 years later, still going strong, no warranty claims needed. Did I mention 18 years of non-failing use & still waiting for more?

 

[Xapur]

When I see how Tramontina or Cold Steel machetes withstand shocks and bending compared to Busse, it drives me crazy. Why? Because I’ve broken so many blades in 50 years that I’m simply fed up. What I want is something that doesn’t break. Period.

What bothers me is that it’s clear you genuinely and sincerely love Busse and its knives. And you are obviously sincere in your appreciation. If I had to do it again, I think I would keep my mouth shut because it’s pointless, except to bring unpleasantness to this forum, especially for myself. I get needlessly upset in front of my keyboard, while it's evident we don’t have the same expectations for a common tool.
Have a good day.

 

[Boss1911]