You can't do THAT with a ZT...

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bodog said:
If I had a slip joint or a $5 jarbenza I bet I could baton a tree without catastrophic failure, too, if the blade was long enough. The success means less than the failure in this type of work. I bet the cheapest gun company in Slovakia has a bunch of guns that pass QC and shoot just fine. What matters is the failure rate. That's an objective truth for any company in any field. And that's why people purchase well tested guns from well reputed companies. And that's not just why people buy from well reputed companies. That's why they pay more to well reputed companies, for the peace of mind that comes from having a reliable product. If reliability isn't so much of a concern, then one could buy a gun from any eastern European company for $50. Why pay $500?

Just a neutral third party trying to keep things on an even keel.
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You cant be serious. Really? Yet if that knife had failed your response would have been along the lines of "figures, doesnt surprise me at all, by the way I had a zt fail..........." Classic moving the goal post on a topic you claim to care not to argue. Yet anytime someone posts anything even hinting at a problem and you are on the hate bandwagon. Post a video proving a knife can take care of business and you dismiss it as bs. And you are not a neutral third party. You are a person with an obvious vested interest in dragging this company through the mud. I would have so much more respect for you and Id even lay off you if you copped to your vendetta. Its so obvious the ONLY excuse is denial.
 
I'm sure half the people reading this thread are having heart attacks :D
Enjoyed the thread!
 
Sonnydaze said:
I was just gently harassing one of my Canadian friends.
:)
Don
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I figured as much.
It's cool. :)

asdf12345 said:
Then, do you view "success" posts with the same sort of skepticism?
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It's a little harder to fake success than failure, but sure, I'm open to the possibility that people fudge the results in that direction at times.

G.Moll said:
I'm sure half the people reading this thread are having heart attacks :D
Enjoyed the thread!
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And in an attempt to avoid having a heart attack myself, I am now off to the gym :thumbup:


Try and keep it civil(ish) fellas.
 
stabman said:
Yes.
I will go on record as saying that most of them are probably a bunch of liars as well.
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Then, do you view "success" posts with the same sort of skepticism? If, in your view, the world is so apt to deceive and lie, what should make anyone believe that your report of success with a particular knife is a credible one?

I mean, no one can say for sure whether your knife experienced accidental unlocking or not during your tests. I believe that you're telling the truth. But with the mindset that most people are liars with ulterior motives, how can you give credence to success reports and dismiss failure reports?
 
PURPLEDC said:
You cant be serious. Really? Yet if that knife had failed your response would have been along the lines of "figures, doesnt surprise me at all, by the way I had a zt fail..........." Classic moving the goal post on a topic you claim to care not to argue. Yet anytime someone posts anything even hinting at a problem and you are on the hate bandwagon. Post a video proving a knife can take care of business and you dismiss it as bs. And you are not a neutral third party. You are a person with an obvious vested interest in dragging this company through the mud. I would have so much more respect for you and Id even lay off you if you copped to your vendetta. Its so obvious the ONLY excuse is denial.
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Have a good night, man.
 
bodog said:
Have a good night, man.
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more deja vu. At least this time you arent saying your sick of this topic and done arguing it. Me? Im just making good on my promise. That email didnt come through by the way. Dont bother resending it.
 
I think this thread will get locked up tighter than my 0801, or my 3010, or maybe my o750, or, or or....
 
PURPLEDC said:
The reason i believe some are liars is because I have actually witnessed people lie first hand about lock up. Why? I have no idea. But they were called on it and disappeared. That isnt to say everyone is lying but just because you see a youtube video doesnt make it so. And it doesnt mean that it cant be a simple adjustment to fix it.
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Applying your own standards of evidence, can you present the proof they were lying?
 
stabman said:
Ah, the "woods play" accusations from the "serious woodsmen". :D
What thread would be complete without them?
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I am not a serious woodsman. I'm a frivolous, pedestrian, recreational woodsman. Now my cousins.... They're serious woodmem. Lumbering. Sugaring. Farming. But me? Naw, I go into the woods to play. I just avoid calling it work to make it sound like it's more than it is. Ditto for "hard use".

BTW, serious about the Opinel. Battoning? Easy-peasy.

It's all fun man. You know that. Just like this thread is all about fun. You're getting what you want from it. No worries, man.
 
stabman, I like the review

On a serious note, I know little on framelocks, but I thought the most valid argument against zt is the angle used between lockface and tang? Basically along the lines of Chris Reeve did it perfect, and others haven't gotten the angles down right?

Again, I know little about this lock, but obviously yours has the correct angle man!
 
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