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[Jsega51]

What do you think of cold steels exact copy of striders popular fixed blade tanto? That's intellectual theft right? So is it immoral to buy cold steels because they blatantly copied strider?

edit; not meaning you said copies make people immoral I'm just curious because that's the general consensus here.

link to cs copy

www.coldsteel.com/Product/80PGTK/G_I_TANTO_W_SECURE-EX_SHEATH.aspx

I'm not familiar with the Strider or the Cold Steel so I can't comment. Not sure what model from Strider you're referencing against the CS...

 

[Wilsonhome]

What do you think of cold steels exact copy of striders popular fixed blade tanto? That's intellectual theft right? So is it immoral to buy cold steels because they blatantly copied strider?

edit; not meaning you said copies make people immoral I'm just curious because that's the general consensus here.

link to cs copy

www.coldsteel.com/Product/80PGTK/G_I_TANTO_W_SECURE-EX_SHEATH.aspx

Which strider should I be comparing it to? Was it an original innovative design? I don't buy from either company anymore (although I have some old CS stuff still hanging around) so I have no dog in the fight. I generally don't like any company nit for nit copying another company, as long as we are talking about original design.

 

[stonproject]

OK as a concession to this well formed post the majority of the site will develop a distaste for both of those brands (just to be fair).

in your opinion do you think its wrong for benchmade to make butterfly knives? they copied the design from the people of batangas. so everytime someone buys one of those Benchmade it's taking money out of the hands of Filipino families who survive making balisongs.

 

[Wilsonhome]

in your opinion do you think its wrong for benchmade to make butterfly knives? they copied the design from the people of batangas. so everytime someone buys one of those Benchmade it's taking money out of the hands of Filipino families who survive making balisongs.

I get your point, but there is a difference between using an old design and copying a contemporary innovative design from a maker nit for nit.

 

[AntDog]

in your opinion do you think its wrong for benchmade to make butterfly knives? they copied the design from the people of batangas. so everytime someone buys one of those Benchmade it's taking money out of the hands of Filipino families who survive making balisongs.

I don't have much knowledge on the subject, but I wouldn't think so. They don't market and sell them over here do they?

Also, somebody needs to get on the horn to the ancient Romans and tell them Busse Combat is producing a gladius.

 

[stonproject]

I don't have much knowledge on the subject, but I wouldn't think so. They don't market and sell them over here do they?

Also, somebody needs to get on the horn to the ancient Romans and tell them Busse Combat is producing a gladius.

Lol at gladius

As for the Filipinos balisongs, they definitely depend on usa buyers. They don't have a lot of marketing but they sell a lot.

Here's another. Boker copied victorinox, is it immoral to buy boker?

https://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tech-tools.html

here's the cold steel copy again (notice in their description they even make fun of strider while insinuating they stole his design )

www.coldsteel.com/Product/80PGTK/G_I_TANTO_W_SECURE-EX_SHEATH.aspx

this is striders original

www.striderknives.com/products/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=27

What about dpx hest, AND cold steel slightly skirting emersons wave patent by changing the shape just enough that they can't get sued but its the same damn thing?

So by other posters logic (not the poster in my quote) am I immoral for buying boker, cold steel, or dpx because they copied another persons design?

Edit: here's the quote from cold steels gi tanto page for those who don't read it through the link.

"Please don't throw away hundreds and hundreds of dollars on similar knives sold by convicted felons and rip off artists posing as elite "military operators". Get the real G.I. Tanto from Cold Steel and get more than your money's worth".

So all you people ferverishly saying you wont support companies who copy other designs, time to sell your cold steels, bokers, dpx hests, schrades, and any balisong not created in the phillipines!

 

[RX-79G]

Emerson's patent gets nearly zero respect on this forum.

 

[Danke42]

I'm not familiar with the Strider or the Cold Steel so I can't comment. Not sure what model from Strider you're referencing against the CS...

Which strider should I be comparing it to? Was it an original innovative design? I don't buy from either company anymore (although I have some old CS stuff still hanging around) so I have no dog in the fight. I generally don't like any company nit for nit copying another company, as long as we are talking about original design.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/450456-Cold-Steel-Strider-rip-0ff

 

[Danke42]

Emerson's patent gets nearly zero respect on this forum.

Wrong again. Good thing we're not keeping score.

 

[Santana San]

Sorry you disagree with poeple like me who buy CRks. I use some and collect others. Whats wrong with a high wuality folder with excellent service from factory? If you disagree go look for other knife makers or companies that fits your needs. Thank you.

 

[Danke42]

in your opinion do you think its wrong for benchmade to make butterfly knives? they copied the design from the people of batangas. so everytime someone buys one of those Benchmade it's taking money out of the hands of Filipino families who survive making balisongs.

That wouldn't be the case at all. Benchmade doesn't ship their blades to those markets and sell them at a loss to drive the competition out of business. Nor do they pursue legal methods to bully those families out of their livelihood.

I don't buy into the whole cultural appropriation arguments that are now all the rage with ivory tower intellectuals. Many knife makers produce modern copies of timeless regional and ethnic knives. Knives who's origin is lost to time. Copies that are in all ways better than the blades that inspired them.

Now if Benchmade was out there doing the dirty work I mentioned and at the same time selling made in China blades to hipsters while implying they were a genuine item you'd have a lot of folks siding with your strawman here. I can't see it happening though.

 

[trevitrace]

Lol at gladius

As for the Filipinos balisongs, they definitely depend on usa buyers. They don't have a lot of marketing but they sell a lot.

Here's another. Boker copied victorinox, is it immoral to buy boker?

https://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tech-tools.html

here's the cold steel copy again (notice in their description they even make fun of strider while insinuating they stole his design )

www.coldsteel.com/Product/80PGTK/G_I_TANTO_W_SECURE-EX_SHEATH.aspx

this is striders original

www.striderknives.com/products/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=27

What about dpx hest, AND cold steel slightly skirting emersons wave patent by changing the shape just enough that they can't get sued but its the same damn thing?

So by other posters logic (not the poster in my quote) am I immoral for buying boker, cold steel, or dpx because they copied another persons design?

Edit: here's the quote from cold steels gi tanto page for those who don't read it through the link.

"Please don't throw away hundreds and hundreds of dollars on similar knives sold by convicted felons and rip off artists posing as elite "military operators". Get the real G.I. Tanto from Cold Steel and get more than your money's worth".

So all you people ferverishly saying you wont support companies who copy other designs, time to sell your cold steels, bokers, dpx hests, schrades, and any balisong not created in the phillipines!

As awesome as RYP is, I don't own any of the aforementioned knives.

 

[Herlock]

Hi! It was a good night read . I personally think:

• All counterfeits/fakes/clones products harm the legit industry
• All counterfeits/fakes/clones products can harm the end Customers and their proprieties (I mean physically)
• All counterfeits/fakes/clones products are for “wannabes”, the "wish-l-could-but-I-can't" types
• Instant Gratification Syndrome is an illness of our times. Some people go so far claiming they are in “agony” waiting a few days for the delivery of an on-line purchase… figure out how they would feel saving up for months to buy “the real thing”
• If one wants to go cheap, there are many low-cost products which have original design, outstanding quality, durability, functionality, good Customer Care depts. and reputation :thumbup:.
• Creativity, ingenuity, pride, passion in design and research; engineering, industrialization and manufacturing skills are vital for a healthy country. These should be nurtured, taken care of and protected.
• Unfortunately, these days, Laws and Courts are never about Right or Wrong, everything is just about negotiation. Something may be perfectly legal and still not be ethical .

On the other hand, I think all the challenges and crisis make us stronger. Challenges like these (counterfeits/fakes/clones) keep Companies healthy, well alive and kicking. We know something about here in Italy: some smart a$$es want to make Parmesan cheese out of milk powder from unknown origins, others try every day to put a fake Armani eagle on some dress, one sells fake Brembo car brakes, etc. So what? Good Companies react. They don’t sit on their laurels. They fight back. Not so much in Courts - a few care about that and it takes ages - rather to the “shop floor”, meeting their Customers every day. They invent new products, better their products, they innovate, patent new products and market them, they pride their products. The result is counterfeits/fakes/clones will always be a step behind and everybody, everywhere recognize good value brands.

This said, it very difficult also for me to draw clean lines when it comes to “copies”. Don’t want to stir a hornet's nest further, but I can make an example. I truly love my Fallkniven knives but, if I really research, as an “historian”, I can question the S1 as a “copy” of Cold Steel SRK (which, according to my infos, chronologically was born earlier), the Thor as a “copy” of Trailmaster, the Odin as a “copy” of Recon Scout, etc. Even the superlative F1 can be considered a “copy” of the Lars Fält blade he was training Arctic Survival skills to Swedish Airforce staff with. By his own words, lars himself was “inspired” by the famous Loveless drop-point. And on and on… yes, very easy to get back to Romans or Egyptians…

 

[Peter Hartwig]

While there may still be issues with a direct copy with the new makers name on it, I feel it certainly is an improvement over a counterfeit with the original designer/makers name and markings on it. At least then the buyer is aware of what he is purchasing and the new maker is the one who will get the blame for any faults of the knife. I still am not at ease with the idea of the direct copy, but don't know what can be done outside the US other than not purchase the item. If these companies aren't restricted by law or it is too costly for the original designer/maker to pursue their rights, somebody is going to make the cheap copies of the knife and profit from the originals popularity. I don't see licensing the design to these companies as an option, even if they would pay. It is doubtful the original maker would care to play any part in a cheap knife.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

After so much repetition, I find Herlock's summary is a fine place to close this thread.