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Sanrenmu and Ganzo make counterfeits. I don't care how cheap they are, I don't care how well made they are. They are counterfeits. I have a Sebenza (I've had probably about a dozen and a half CRK knives over the years). I have custom fixed blades and slipjoints. I also have an Opinel, a few old slipjoints, and some Benchmades. I keep a Cold Steel Finn Bear in my bag, along with an ESEE 6 behind my seat.

It comes down to quality. It comes down to supporting the community also.
 
Microtech makes counterfeits. So does Schrade.

Shame on y'all for bashing people buying Sanrenmu and ganzo.
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Rev Devil said:
I'd say to hell with people that love them some counterfeit "whatevers".
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I don't know what that means for posting, but I think I'm going to steer clear about talking positively about any of those four brands on this forum.
 
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I'd say to hell with people that love them some counterfeit "whatevers". Their eyes are too big for their wallet and have no clue as to the damage that does to legit companies. They feel entitled to have things they obviously cannot afford, and well since working hard and actually earning things the old fashioned way is too hard they tend to prefer a cheap and easy POS imitation. This is not a forum for counterfeit adoration or enthusiasts, till then away with you too. The hypocritical irony is your post is almost too much, like a bully complaining about being bullied. Enjoy yourself elsewhere.
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A proper explanation always seems to make so much sense....

I could care less which "model" you're talking about, and the argument that "this is an original model, and not a copy"

These companies (stretch) made all their money from counterfeits and continue to do so.

I am not even going to explain why "copies" "counterfeits" whatever you want to call them are wrong.
Hit yourself in the b@lls with a hammer, and you will be on your way to figuring it all out...
 
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thatoneguy01 said:
To hell with this place. Shame on y'all for bashing people buying Sanrenmu and ganzo. Y'all have WAY too much money if y'all are buying CRK and ZT and Shirogov And so forth. I REALLY hope y'all learn manners and respect. Until then, I wipe my hands off this place.
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I hope you learn manners and respect too.
 
RX-79G said:
Microtech makes counterfeits. So does Schrade.



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I don't know what that means for posting, but I think I'm going to steer clear about talking positively about any of those four brands on this forum.
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Schrade has had their issues, as has Microtech, neither company I'm keen to support. If I see a company copy someone else's design it sits poorly with me.
 
I do think it is a shame that this very provincial attitude on the part of bladeforums is thought to be so unconditionally common that insulting members is considered normal.

Knives are not special, magical devices. The insular view that copying or "homage" as an immoral act is completely out of touch with even other similar hobbies. On this board the practice of shaming such discussion is usually supported by a completely fictional claim that there is a direct, negative monetary effect on businesses and the hobbiests, but those numbers simply do not exist and the opposite may be true. It is also myopic, choosing to become offended with some types of copies while fully embracing so many others.


The rest of the world looking in would find this posturing ridiculous. The world is full of Beretta 92 copies and Rolex Submariner homages - none of which have done anything to unseat the prevalence of the real thing after decades and decades of continual sales.


I really don't know if this is one of those knee jerk collector things, really effective marketing on the part of a few manufacturers or a complete misapplication of software and media pirating impacts. I just think it is unfortunate that more officially sanctioned excuses for making personal attacks on members are provided. We have enough of those already.
 
As a newbie to this site as well, I haven't once seen anyone shaming anyone else for not getting an expensive knife. There are less expensive legit knives out there, and that's great, and I like those too. However, a counterfeit ANYTHING really hurts everyone involved in their existence, from production on down.

This original post just seems like a tantrum to me.

Who gets along with 100% of people?
 
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I must have missed the part where the OP was insulted before the told the entire forum to piss off.

RX-79G said:
I do think it is a shame that this very provincial attitude on the part of bladeforums is thought to be so unconditionally common that insulting members is considered normal.

Knives are not special, magical devices. The insular view that copying or "homage" as an immoral act is completely out of touch with even other similar hobbies. On this board the practice of shaming such discussion is usually supported by a completely fictional claim that there is a direct, negative monetary effect on businesses and the hobbiests, but those numbers simply do not exist and the opposite may be true. It is also myopic, choosing to become offended with some types of copies while fully embracing so many others.


The rest of the world looking in would find this posturing ridiculous. The world is full of Beretta 92 copies and Rolex Submariner homages - none of which have done anything to unseat the prevalence of the real thing after decades and decades of continual sales.


I really don't know if this is one of those knee jerk collector things, really effective marketing on the part of a few manufacturers or a complete misapplication of software and media pirating impacts. I just think it is unfortunate that more officially sanctioned excuses for making personal attacks on members are provided. We have enough of those already.
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Shame on you for calling out others for their opinions on what they like. Let those who earn their money spend it any way they wish. And keep your mouth shut about it.
 
I know it was prolly said before, but I didn't want to read the threads...............................................LOL
 
As I stated earlier I was not familiar with Sanrenmu and Ganzo knives. Do they make similar knives to other makers or exact clones down to the trade mark? The 1st may be stealing intellectual property while the latter are not only the stealing of intellectual property, but become a problem right down the line from miss-representation in the secondary market to landing up at the manufacturer for repair(who then has to break the news). It is not hard for them to get mixed in with the legit knives of the maker and a lot of confusion happens with non-experts. People are not thrilled when they pay full manufactures price or secondary price only to find they have a clone.
 
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As I stated earlier I was not familiar with Sanrenmu and Ganzo knives. Do they make similar knives to other makers or exact clones down to the trade mark? The 1st may be stealing intellectual property while the latter are not only the stealing of intellectual property, but become a problem right down the line from miss-representation in the secondary market to landing up at the manufacturer for repair(who then has to break the news). It is not hard for them to get mixed in with the legit knives of the maker and a lot of confusion happens with non-experts. People are not thrilled when they pay full manufactures price or secondary price only to find they have a clone.
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Legally they stole nothing. Knife shapes can't be trademarked/copyrighted and the patents in question aren't international. They aren't "counterfeits" because they don't have misleading markings about their origins. Ganzo and Sanrenmu sometimes make knives that look similar to better known brands and say "SRM" or "Ganzo" on them. Similar to all the knives that look like Sodbusters, Stockmans, Bucks, etc.

The difference is that they are doing it today, not in the '60s.
 
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Legally they stole nothing. Knife shapes can't be trademarked/copyrighted and the patents in question aren't international. They aren't "counterfeits" because they don't have misleading markings about their origins. Ganzo and Sanrenmu sometimes make knives that look similar to better known brands and say "SRM" or "Ganzo" on them. Similar to all the knives that look like Sodbusters, Stockmans, Bucks, etc.

The difference is that they are doing it today, not in the '60s.
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Thank you for the clarification on the 2 companies. I am more familiar with the types of companies that clone CRK's and Striders, where they make every attempt to look legit right down to trade marks. On the other hand I have heard people complain about copying when there was very little similarity to the knife in question-the knife had a choil. Unless there is more to the story I am not sure where the problem lies-some of our own custom makers use those patterns.
 
Ooooh, this looks like fun. I'll play.

A few thoughts on copying the knife design of another company.

Did you know that several of the paid sponsors of Bladeforums sell copies? Not only does Bladeforums accept money from those vendors in exchange for having their businesses promoted on this forum, but the moderators here regularly recommend that the members of Bladeforums buy knives from those vendors.

Here are a few links from Knifecenter.com, a paid BF sponsor, and a popular vendor among many here at BF-

Now tell me that the two knives below are not direct copies of the Buck 110? I find it hard to believe that Schrade coincidentally designed a knife out of thin air that just happens to be an almost identical copy of one of the most popular knives in the history of knives.

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SC...paw-lockback-folding-knife-blade-wood-handles

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SC...-5-inch-Closed-Lockback-Stainless-Steel-Blade

And here are a few links from another BF sponsor- Bladeplay.com/Bladehq.com-

Now tell me that the first link, a United Cutlery Honshu Fighter, that costs $38, isn't a copy of the next link, a Cold Steel Tai Pan, that costs over $300. Or again, am I supposed to believe that United just happened to design a knife that is almost identical to a much more expensive knife?

http://www.Bladeplay.com/item--United-Cutlery-Honshu-Fighter-I-DE--9086

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Cold-Stelel-Tai-Pan-Fixed--5150

And that's just two examples, and two paid sponsors of Bladeforums. Many more sell the same knives, and the same brands.

And in case you didn't know, the owner of Bladeforums also sells that very same United Honshu Fighter in his knife store, which is also on the list of paid sponsors.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with copies. I don't think those companies that make them, or the vendors who sell them, are doing anything wrong, or that they should feel the least bit ashamed of themselves or what they sell.

But all this begs the question- if anyone here feels so strongly that "copies" hurt the knife industry, hurt the knife community, and that selling copies is something despicable, and if you feel so strongly about the theft of "intellectual property", does that mean you are going to leave Bladeforums and end your membership here? After all, like I said, Bladeforums is owned by someone who sells copies, and Bladeforums is in business with vendors who sell copies, and those vendors who sell copies are being OFFICIALLY promoted on this forum.

As for me, I'm going to stick around. ;)

And for the record, I draw a clear distinction between "copies" and "counterfeits". And I feel very differently about them. This post was about "copies".
 
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