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If not a gun, then either a big blade like a machete or barong, or if smaller, then something useable for 'backwards' knifework.
 
Unless that has some padding on the palm side, you're gonna hurt yourself just as bad as you're gonna hurt the other guy.
 
Don Rearic said:
Call me "Singer." :D

Seriously, there is no guarantee in a fray that you are going to surgically do anything. You cut when there is an opening and you thrust when there is an opening. Anyone that tells you otherwise is selling you something absurd.

In any event, a thrust is just a cut on the inside where you can't see the damage done unless it gets opened up more. They both have their place.
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In one of the Tarani courses I took a few years ago, there was an honest to goodness vascular surgeon in the class. It was interesting to get his insight into knife wounds. Not only are stabs more destructive in the short-term (cause you are hopefully hitting vitals), they are extremely difficult to repair. He was saying that an icepick type puncture to an artery or vital organ is much more difficult to fix than a slash, even a slash that completely severes an artery. Due to the fact, that a severed artery has some constricting and shrinkage properties that are working with you and generally you can access it to work on it.

Like Don said, you're going to cut whenever you get a chance. I don't care who you are, eventually, you'll get tired of getting cut, especially when the blood is causing problems (like in your eyes, making your hands slippery, etc.) even if it's not fatal.

But, if you're training to use a knife for fighting in a self-defense situation, study the experts--the prison shankers. They are killing people with melted ziploc baggies, for goodness sakes! The basic idea is as many thrusts as possible in as many vital places as possible in the shortest period of time.

Skill and will trumps gear. Every time.
 
Oh wait! Something I've always wanted that I could never justify.

Tandoc Tools "Face Chisel" :D

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s_f said:
About stabbing: hitting a vital organ in the torso causing immediate (within seconds) disablement should be very hard/unlikely for an amateur, so why trying that and risking losing the knife/cutting yourself?
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I didn't read this whole thread yet, so hopefully no one else mentioned this, but there are plenty of vital organs available to slashing techniques.

Examples:
High line - carotid artery, middle thyroid
Mid line - brachial artery (think inside of elbow) - intestines
Low line - femoral artery

That said, stab vs slash depends soley on opportunity. Knife fighting is MESSY and DANGEROUS.

It doesn't take much martial arts training to go from amateur to something else. There are specific styles that one would gravitate toward if they are serious about knife fighting (Filipino Kali styles for example ;) ).
 
jumpmonkey said:
I'm no legal expert but I hear that knives and self defense are frowned upon by the law.
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I have to agree, but the level of force you are defending against dictates the level of force you can get away with using. If someone is trying to kill you with something, the lethal force of a knife is acceptable. Same with firearms. You can't shoot someone with a pool stick, but if they are attacking with a machete it's another story.

Of course where ever you are specific laws may be different so self defense legallities may vary. But no matter where you are, if your level of force is greater than your attacker you are in TROUBLE!
 
Horridus said:
Of course where ever you are specific laws may be different so self defense legallities may vary. But no matter where you are, if your level of force is greater than your attacker you are in TROUBLE!
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Not true. Your level of force to protect your life, limb and property, in our great state of Texas, can be greater than that of your attacker. If the attacker is 6'2 and raping a woman who is 5'1, she is justified to kill him even if he's only using his bare hands. If someone is stealing your car out of your driveway, again here in Texas, you are allowed by law to use deadly force to prevent it.

If you are in fear of your life, well being of that of another, you are allowed to protect them with whatever means available, regardless.
 
For me, my best defense is to run...the other direction. I'm don't want to die, or get arrested. More often than not, your "it was self defense" plea will play out in court...AFTER you've been arrested, charged, and spent thousands of dollars on an attorney, to be judged by a jury of your peers.

All that said, I still EDC a Spyderco Manix 2, and I'm sure if my life (or that of my family) were threatened, I could do some damage with it...but I still prefer running! :D
 
I'll just toss in briefly with my internet gathered knowledge. As far as I comprehend and makes sense to me to actually stop a person with a bladed tool you're either going to have to reach something vital inside a person or cause massive trauma. Effective tools for massive trauma will be limited to tools like swords, axes, and machetes; stuff which will remove limbs and make massive holes. None of which any of us are going to carry. When it comes to reaching the vitals you want long and pointy. Daggers are not ok just about anywhere ConUS and would fit the bill nicely. Really for anything reliable or quasi reliable I'd say you need a blade of 4 or more inches to really be able to poke an average persons vitals properly. Again, many places do not allow for blades of this length. Good luck with your search. Again, may you never have to use it (whatever it may be)

God bless,
Adam

PS: Back when I was seriously considering such a tool I was looking very hard at CRKT's Hisatsu folder. I may still get one because I'm an idiot and I like pointy toys.
 
Expatriated said:
But, if you're training to use a knife for fighting in a self-defense situation, study the experts--the prison shankers. They are killing people with melted ziploc baggies, for goodness sakes! The basic idea is as many thrusts as possible in as many vital places as possible in the shortest period of time.
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People will hold onto Frankenstein myths and B.S. forever. It's their life. :::shrug:::

I hear they no longer wrap Federal prisoners food in cellophane, at least in the high security prisons. They collected the Saran-Wrap like material, melted it down and made shanks out of it.

The myths, however, are troubling. Anyone that thinks an arc is faster than a non-telegraphic straight thrust is just defying reality.
 
TattooBlade said:
If someone is stealing your car out of your driveway, again here in Texas, you are allowed by law to use deadly force to prevent it.
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Are you sure? That doesn't sound right at all.

If you are in fear of your life, well being of that of another, you are allowed to protect them with whatever means available, regardless.
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I have to admit ignorance to Texan law, which I am sure has to be quite favorable to self-defense compared to the Northeast where I am. But still, if you want to avoid charges, trials, legal expenses, the force needs to be matched. As you know Law Enforcement has the right to escalate force one level above the actor. I have never, ever, ever heard of civilians being able to do so anywhere in the US. If I am wrong I gladly stand corrected. :)
 
First off the whole knives are for pussies I carry a glock comment was quite silly.

I'd much rather be attacked by someone with a gun then someone with a knife. Knives are so much more effective at close range because unlike a gun which has one angle of attack a knife has multiple angles of attack. A person who knows how to use a knife is extremly dangerious & someone who doesn't is very dangerious, more dangerious if he was to hold you up with a gun instead of a knife.

Now I too carry a gun everyday & it is my first choice depending on the situation, but I never leave the house for a second without a knife. If something does happen it's gonna happen at close range. wher. My knife is more effective.

As for the law getting in the way. Yes they frown upon knives even in self defense cases. That's why when choosing a knife you DON'T want a benchmade $200 tactical knife for fighting because that's what it looks like you bought it for & what your looking for. That's how police are more likely to see it. Keep it simple with a knowledge you don't need much blade to get the job done.

Look for a edc type of knife. Something with a bottle opener, wire cutter. So you can have a reason for carrying it as a utility knife. In which you just so happened to use for self defense. The hest fits this description well & it's fixed so faster draw, also have be used & drawn with both hands with ease.

& remember a dead man tells no tales.
 
Mr. Tactical said:
I'd much rather be attacked by someone with a gun then someone with a knife. Knives are so much more effective at close range because unlike a gun which has one angle of attack a knife has multiple angles of attack. A person who knows how to use a knife is extremly dangerious & someone who doesn't is very dangerious, more dangerious if he was to hold you up with a gun instead of a knife.
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I am a very dangerious type of person. :)
 
Horridus said:
Are you sure? That doesn't sound right at all.



I have to admit ignorance to Texan law, which I am sure has to be quite favorable to self-defense compared to the Northeast where I am. But still, if you want to avoid charges, trials, legal expenses, the force needs to be matched. As you know Law Enforcement has the right to escalate force one level above the actor. I have never, ever, ever heard of civilians being able to do so anywhere in the US. If I am wrong I gladly stand corrected. :)
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Yes I am sure. I lived in the north (Chicago) for all of my childhood, which was a long time ago. I hate the liberal north. I hate the liberal north. Sometimes you have to say it twice since it feels so good.

Anyhow, I don't care where you live, if you are defending your life or that of another and you, for even a moment, consider "oh, he has a large stick, so I can only use a ____________ fill in the blank", then you're a moron.

You can use whatever means needed to protect your life, IF you are in fear for it.

And yes, in Texas you can protect your life, limb AND property with deadly force. You use to only be able to protect your property in the hours of darkness, but that was repealed. You can protect your property with deadly force at any time. It still amazes me that people commit crime here, as most end up on the news as a statistic. Just two days ago "Houston store owner kills 3 would be robbers".

Don't mess with Texas. :thumbup:
 
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