Zero Tolerance 0801S110V Limited Run

asdf12345 said:
How would this be a different situation from the 0801CF run with M390?

Those blades, apart from being a different steel, also had to be DLC coated and then refinished again to a machine satin.
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Good lord I'm getting tired of reading your crap. Are you a machinist? I'm not but I have done some machining. Have you run a full production knife company? Neither have I. You are really talking out of your ass here and I think you need to admit that to yourself. You are quibbling over pennies. Don't like the price? Don't buy. You don't understand the justification for the price? Great we all know you don't get it. There are sooooo many things in life you don't understand the reasons for the costs. Holy crap....if you can get this worked up over the price of a pocket knife, I'd hate to go car shopping with you.
 
al g blenny said:
Are you a machinist? I'm not but I have done some machining. Have you run a full production knife company? Neither have I.
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There are sooooo many things in life you don't understand the reasons for the costs.
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Why say that I don't know if you don't know either? So why do you think something with cost-saving design changes and a slightly more expensive supersteel costs $100 more? That's not pennies. Or maybe it's KAI knowing that they can sell LEs for a very high price on no other merit than having the latest & greatest supersteel and the fact that it's an LE? It seems that when other companies pull a fast one like that, doing $100+ markups on nothing but a steel and coloration change, they're quick to get criticized. What's your opinion, if you understand more than I do despite having the same qualifications?
 
Rev - spot on about eating belts...every S110Vreprofile job on my amateur 1x32 means a new belt or two. Excellent analysis all around. And one of my absolutely favorite blade steels.

Derrick - Personally, I think you are a totally top notch seller and that service is worth whatever prices you assign (within reason). AGR has made a higher-than-normal price model work for years on the same reputation...I buy from him too because he mails me awesome catalogs and has handled a warranty request with aplomb. You've done the same, albeit with modern media channels. Mighty kind to drop to the competitions level, but "he with the last remaining stock charges what he likes". These will be $400ish on the secondary so you aren't gouging anyone either way.

Lastly - secondary prices can be annoying but they happen in every-single-daggone collectible hobby. Been collecting baseball cards, comics, knives, guns, and motorcycles over the years....still looking for a mint H&R Sportsman 999 for YEARS...they sold for $125 new and I'd HAPPILY pay $500 for one now.

Sorry for the diatribe but if there is demand, and low supply, capitalism always wins. And I, for one, take no issue with that. It makes our world go round.
 
Lost Cosmonaut said:
And I believe that's exactly why KAI stopped announcing run numbers. And the reason there were numbers that high was simple, they mark every single one they make and a bunch end up rejected so they make more to cover the rejects. So, serial numbers in the 1200s, but only 1000 on the market.
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Bingo.
 
asdf12345 said:
Why say that I don't know if you don't know either? So why do you think something with cost-saving design changes and a slightly more expensive supersteel costs $100 more? That's not pennies. Or maybe it's KAI knowing that they can sell LEs for a very high price on no other merit than having the latest & greatest supersteel and the fact that it's an LE? It seems that when other companies pull a fast one like that, doing $100+ markups on nothing but a steel and coloration change, they're quick to get criticized. What's your opinion, if you understand more than I do despite having the same qualifications?
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Yeah they are pulling a fast one. You figured it out. KAI is ripping us all off. It's a conspiracy. Thank you for saving us all from just throwing our money away like morons. If it wasn't for heroes like you, we would all be overpaying for everything.

Grow up and learn more about the world around you. I own 2 businesses and I know first hand that there is always more to the cost of something than seems to be on the surface. Yeah the milling is less. Questionable if that really saves them any money. They probably have thousands of pre-made blanks already. Now they need to spend money on R&D for the blank slabs. You might not see the need for R&D but that's the point. You don't see the pitfalls they ran into pre-production. That adds to cost. Time equals money. OK now to the steel. A small run means higher cost. More manual labor to produce a smaller amount of knives. If there were in fact only 300 of these, it would make the extra labor cost less distributed than say a 1000 piece run. If doing a limited run adds $5000 total in just labor, a 1000 piece run gets $5 tacked on to each piece. A 300 piece run on the other hand gets $16.67 per unit added to it. That might not seem like a lot but that's just one factor and it's more than triple the added cost. Now let's add in belts, heat treat, etc.... I shouldn't really need to spell all of this out for you as it's simple stuff but then again you might be 12 years old and I'm the moron for even arguing with a child.
 
asdf12345 said:
Why say that I don't know if you don't know either? So why do you think something with cost-saving design changes and a slightly more expensive supersteel costs $100 more?
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1. Design changes are expensive. Someone had to redesign the knife in CAD, and then someone else had to toolpath the new design in CAM software.
2. The raw material cost of S110V over ELMAX.
3. The increased tooling cost to grind the material, S110V is more difficult to grind.
4. The increased cost of heat treatment. S110V requires a minimum of three tempers, while ELMAX requires a minimum of two.
5. These costs are distributed over a small run.
 
For the record (I'm sure someone will read this centuries from now and make judgments on all of us), I don't give a F what some nimrod thinks of KAI's pricing. I love this knife and was happy to pay what was being asked for it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Feel it's too costly? Don't buy it. For God's sake just shut up about it.
 
HappyDaddy said:
For the record (I'm sure someone will read this centuries from now and make judgments on all of us), I don't give a F what some nimrod thinks of KAI's pricing. I love this knife and was happy to pay what was being asked for it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Feel it's too costly? Don't buy it. For God's sake just shut up about it.
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HappyDaddy said:
For the record (I'm sure someone will read this centuries from now and make judgments on all of us), I don't give a F what some nimrod thinks of KAI's pricing. I love this knife and was happy to pay what was being asked for it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Feel it's too costly? Don't buy it. For God's sake just shut up about it.
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I could not agree more. As i stated above, this knife is sure to be spectacular with the steel and RC. The original 801 is an amazing knife and with the upgraded steel I don't feel $280 is too high at all. I am more than happy to pay that amount for this knife.
 
I received mined today, so here you go side by side comparison.

The only obvious difference that I have not seen already mentioned is the wash on both the blade and frame. The regular 0801 has a satin finish and the new knife is clearly more roughly stonewashed. The model stamp is also in a different location on the blade. The grind does not go down towards the choil as far interestingly.







 
Looks great with that rough stonewash all over! Thanks for the pictures.

Stonewashing the hardware would enhance the looks.

BladeHQ still has 23 in stock!

KnifeCenter should be getting theirs soon.

Mine won't get here until tomorrow and unfortunately I'm out of town until Monday. I'll take a family picture then.
 
J_Curd said:
Lastly - secondary prices can be annoying but they happen in every-single-daggone collectible hobby. Been collecting baseball cards, comics, knives, guns, and motorcycles over the years....still looking for a mint H&R Sportsman 999 for YEARS...they sold for $125 new and I'd HAPPILY pay $500 for one now.
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I for one think it's a travesty that I can't just by Amazing Fantasy #15 for 12 cents anymore... Damn secondary market.
 
jprime84 said:
I received mined today, so here you go side by side comparison.

The only obvious difference that I have not seen already mentioned is the wash on both the blade and frame. The regular 0801 has a satin finish and the new knife is clearly more roughly stonewashed. The model stamp is also in a different location on the blade. The grind does not go down towards the choil as far interestingly.
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Thank you for the gorgeous pictures! I just placed an order for one of these. I enjoy that the lack of handle milling makes them almost look slimmer, though I know that's just a cool visual effect. I look forward to getting it in and seeing some more pictures as everyone else does, too!
 
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